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Sun Oct-16-11 01:46 PM
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Edited on Sun Oct-16-11 01:46 PM by Empowerer
But the previous two paragraphs are also very relevant, and puts his comment into even greater context. (Of course, the WHOLE SPEECH is even more relevant, but obviously plenty of folk around here couldn't care less about the full context).
To say that we are bound together as one people, and must constantly strive to see ourselves in one another, is not to argue for a false unity that papers over our differences and ratifies an unjust status quo. As was true 50 years ago, as has been true throughout human history, those with power and privilege will often decry any call for change as “divisive.” They’ll say any challenge to the existing arrangements are unwise and destabilizing. Dr. King understood that peace without justice was no peace at all; that aligning our reality with our ideals often requires the speaking of uncomfortable truths and the creative tension of non-violent protest.
But he also understood that to bring about true and lasting change, there must be the possibility of reconciliation; that any social movement has to channel this tension through the spirit of love and mutuality.
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| -Obama: MLK would not want us to vilify all who work on Wall Street |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 11:11 AM |
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Backing Wall St? |
SHRED |
Oct-16-11 11:13 AM |
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That's probably true. |
proud2BlibKansan |
Oct-16-11 11:13 AM |
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Thanks for |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 11:15 AM |
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thanks for putting random parts of my post in boldface |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 11:16 AM |
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Oh |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 11:18 AM |
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Let me be the second. Obama put words in MLK's mouth that aren't supported by history. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 11:19 AM |
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He didn't put ANY words in his mouth |
Empowerer |
Oct-16-11 01:41 PM |
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Oct-16-11 11:17 AM |
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Recced up to zero. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 11:20 AM |
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unrecced back down to zero |
AngkorWot |
Oct-16-11 11:23 AM |
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Welcome to DU. Your concern is noted. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 11:30 AM |
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right..does that include the workers who are putting people out of their houses? |
xiamiam |
Oct-16-11 11:22 AM |
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I don't think anyone is vilifying ALL who work on Wall Street |
tridim |
Oct-16-11 11:24 AM |
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Well |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 11:28 AM |
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Which is why Obama's comment is a straw man, as the OP points out. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 11:30 AM |
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Actually |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 11:32 AM |
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Exactly - NOBODY is vilifying everyone on Wall Street. |
polichick |
Oct-16-11 11:32 AM |
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Maybe YOU don't villify everyone on Wall Street but there are many DUers who do. |
PragmaticLiberal |
Oct-16-11 11:45 AM |
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This is about hating rich people or hating WS workers. I see plenty of RWr's on Facebook |
harun |
Oct-16-11 02:23 PM |
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Stop pretending like you speak for the entire movement. You do not, nor will you ever. |
phleshdef |
Oct-16-11 12:36 PM |
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What an irrational response to what I posted. fyi, I did not vote for Nader... |
polichick |
Oct-16-11 06:41 PM |
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So, you don't doubt the truth of the statement. You just don't like it when Obama says it? |
MjolnirTime |
Oct-16-11 11:30 AM |
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He didn't even say it. |
AngkorWot |
Oct-16-11 11:32 AM |
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I read the OP as pointing out that Obama's statement is a straw man. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 11:32 AM |
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straw man |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 11:34 AM |
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Actually, I have nothing against the janitors that clean buildings on Wall Street |
saras |
Oct-16-11 11:32 AM |
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Well said. n/t |
Laelth |
Oct-16-11 11:42 AM |
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Yes that's what I was going to say! |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Oct-16-11 02:01 PM |
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Oct-16-11 11:41 AM |
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Oct-16-11 11:48 AM |
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Asking who MLK would want to villify's kind of like asking who Ghandi'd want to beat up, no? (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Oct-16-11 11:43 AM |
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Exactly. |
PragmaticLiberal |
Oct-16-11 11:50 AM |
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That's it. A point some here want to obscure. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 11:54 AM |
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He didn't mention OWS in his speech |
EffieBlack |
Oct-16-11 02:15 PM |
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MLK would have been walking right along with the ows protestors |
Evergreen Emerald |
Oct-16-11 11:44 AM |
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What a shamefully opportunistic thing to say. N/T |
EmeraldCityGrl |
Oct-16-11 11:46 AM |
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I wouldn't go THAT hard on the prez - he's just being a politician. |
polichick |
Oct-16-11 11:47 AM |
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Really? He calls on MLK? Really? |
Jakes Progress |
Oct-16-11 11:50 AM |
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Yea, why in the hell would he call on MLK in a SPEECH ABOUT MLK??? |
phleshdef |
Oct-16-11 12:17 PM |
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Why in hell would you write this? |
Jakes Progress |
Oct-16-11 03:58 PM |
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As so often happens... |
Anatos |
Oct-16-11 11:53 AM |
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I like how many pretend they aren't guilty of sweeping generalizations against financial workers. |
phleshdef |
Oct-16-11 12:23 PM |
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maybe you're missing the point |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 12:30 PM |
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Thats a very regressive way to look at things. |
phleshdef |
Oct-16-11 12:42 PM |
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it's a matter of interests |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 12:53 PM |
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If you have any faith in the movement, you shouldn't be worried about such things. |
phleshdef |
Oct-16-11 12:58 PM |
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the right-wing DOES try to co-opt the Civil Rights Movement |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 01:06 PM |
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Trying doesn't mean shit. They've never successfully co-opted it and they never will. |
phleshdef |
Oct-16-11 01:20 PM |
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+1 Well said! |
loyalsister |
Oct-17-11 12:46 AM |
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Using King to rationalize Wall St. corruption? Awful. |
BlueIris |
Oct-16-11 12:26 PM |
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Your strawman argument is ridiculous but entirely expected. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 12:29 PM |
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Oct-16-11 12:31 PM |
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Obama lives in a different universe than MLK nt |
msongs |
Oct-16-11 12:29 PM |
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Yea, the universe of the living. |
phleshdef |
Oct-16-11 12:32 PM |
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But, some could say the "Universe of the Privileged" also.. |
KoKo |
Oct-16-11 03:46 PM |
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Dr. King's sister and children, Kerry Kennedy, John Lewis |
Empowerer |
Oct-16-11 12:40 PM |
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I didn't have a big problem with it |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 12:49 PM |
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I know what he said. I was there when he said it. |
Empowerer |
Oct-16-11 01:00 PM |
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I have a problem with what Obama said. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 01:23 PM |
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Did you listen to the entire speech? |
Empowerer |
Oct-16-11 01:25 PM |
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I read the entire official transcript. I don't agree with a lot of it. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 01:28 PM |
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Fine. You have a right to your opinion |
Empowerer |
Oct-16-11 01:43 PM |
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The fact that an anonymous poster on a political bulletin board claims |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 01:48 PM |
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You have every right to post whatever you like where you choose |
Empowerer |
Oct-16-11 01:55 PM |
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I would hope that people you know have more credibility to you than an anonymous poster. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 02:00 PM |
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Hmmm? |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 01:30 PM |
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I know what he said. I read the entire official transcript. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 01:32 PM |
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Oct-16-11 01:37 PM |
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It is your opinion that I am misrepresenting. It is my opinion that I am not. /nt |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 01:53 PM |
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We shouldn't "begrudge them their wealth." |
bvar22 |
Oct-16-11 12:47 PM |
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it's the American Dream |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 12:57 PM |
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How typically DU to take a speech that was received as a positive and distort it to turn it into a |
Pirate Smile |
Oct-16-11 01:28 PM |
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The full quote of what he said here. (anyone offended by what he said must be nuts) |
phleshdef |
Oct-16-11 01:37 PM |
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You're right. |
Empowerer |
Oct-16-11 01:46 PM |
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That's your opinion. I don't agree with Obama's premise. I'm not offended. Just disagree. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 01:49 PM |
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Oct-16-11 02:05 PM |
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What exactly do you disagree with? |
EffieBlack |
Oct-16-11 02:09 PM |
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I've expressed my opinion in several places on this thread. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 02:10 PM |
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I missed the speech but after reading the context... |
BklnDem75 |
Oct-16-11 04:44 PM |
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Thanks for the context. That statement is very mild and is one sentence out of many |
Number23 |
Oct-16-11 06:32 PM |
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Reminds me of the CBC speech that was disparaged. |
joshcryer |
Oct-16-11 07:08 PM |
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Here's that sentence in context: |
Empowerer |
Oct-16-11 01:37 PM |
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Oct-16-11 01:49 PM |
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Oct-16-11 01:49 PM |
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as someone pointed out above, he's a politician |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 02:01 PM |
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I'm shaken by the hatred expressed in this thread. The personal attacks are over the top. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 02:08 PM |
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The OP cherrypicked a phrase in order to demonize President Obama. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 02:11 PM |
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And you're cherrypicking one phrase from a quote which also defends unions against vilification too. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 02:08 PM |
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take any of my criticisms of Obama, and apply it to either Clinton |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 02:15 PM |
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+1 |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 02:16 PM |
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Oct-16-11 02:21 PM |
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I also defended Wesley Clark |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 02:29 PM |
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Your OP is a cherrypicked paraphrase that distorts Pres. Obama's healing MLK speech into ugliness. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 02:35 PM |
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Obamaphobia |
Anatos |
Oct-17-11 06:19 PM |
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Great post! |
EffieBlack |
Oct-17-11 06:26 PM |
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This is pointless |
Hutzpa |
Oct-16-11 02:04 PM |
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Your cherrypicking demonization is a FAIL.-->Obama: MLK would not want businessmen to vilify unions. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 02:06 PM |
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yes, it's much more interesting in context |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 02:09 PM |
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I missed that part, too. |
EffieBlack |
Oct-16-11 02:11 PM |
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That's a false statement. Keep digging. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 02:13 PM |
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Do you think everyone who works on Wall Street is a crook? Some do. |
MjolnirTime |
Oct-16-11 02:09 PM |
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yeah, and there was a guy there with a sign blaming the Jews |
Enrique |
Oct-16-11 02:20 PM |
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So you agree with the Teabaggers who claim that the ObamaNazi guy isn't one of them? |
MjolnirTime |
Oct-16-11 02:59 PM |
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What's "a good number?" 1 million? 1 thousand? 100? |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 03:34 PM |
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How about people right here at DU? People who claim to be representative of OWS. |
MjolnirTime |
Oct-16-11 03:45 PM |
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You didn't answer my question. |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 03:47 PM |
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Did the segregationists not have law on their side too? Did their adherence to the law exempt... |
JVS |
Oct-16-11 05:51 PM |
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Oct-16-11 02:15 PM |
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Oct-16-11 02:23 PM |
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OP is a cherrypicked paraphase designed to excite disgust at Pres. Obama. What O said in context-> |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 02:26 PM |
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I read the context before writing my response |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 02:35 PM |
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Then you could care less about MLK's message also. Gotcha. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 02:36 PM |
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LOL |
EffieBlack |
Oct-16-11 02:38 PM |
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MLK is a better man than I am |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 02:43 PM |
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President Obama wasn't doing that or saying that. You're missing his message completely. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 02:46 PM |
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No, he was using a logically fallacious argument to prove |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 02:50 PM |
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You're taking his thoughtful, wise words & making a strawman argument. Nowhere did he cast blame. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 02:59 PM |
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No Clark, it's a strawman |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 03:05 PM |
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That's a false narrative you're pushing. Quote exactly what Pres. O said that outrages you so much. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 03:12 PM |
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Right here |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 03:16 PM |
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You are missing his points completely.He was defending protesters' right to challenge Wall Street... |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 03:22 PM |
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He used a logical fallacy to do it. Look, I can do it too |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 03:27 PM |
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No, you're using a strawman fallacy to distort his wise words that caution against demonization. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 03:29 PM |
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No one is demonizing. |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 03:32 PM |
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President Obama said no one should do so, just because they disagree with protesters or businessmen. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 03:40 PM |
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This is about OWS, not some Republican you read somewhere |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 03:49 PM |
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This is not about OWS. It is about President Obama's full context which didn't mention OWS... |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 04:02 PM |
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Let me get this straight. You think |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 04:22 PM |
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Oct-16-11 04:30 PM |
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Pres. Obama spoke in allegory. His other references, which you're ignoring, are similarly framed. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 06:06 PM |
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He didn't even MENTION OWS! |
EffieBlack |
Oct-16-11 03:12 PM |
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Oh really? |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 03:41 PM |
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NEITHER DID THE OP!! |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 04:21 PM |
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I can imagine how much you must hate listening to Dr. King's speeches |
EffieBlack |
Oct-16-11 02:37 PM |
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I could believe in hope if we had someone to place that hope in |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 02:45 PM |
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Then maybe you should seek out a civil rights leader to put your hopes in . . . |
EffieBlack |
Oct-16-11 03:13 PM |
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Maybe I should go to church and not bother voting. |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 03:38 PM |
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Oct-16-11 02:29 PM |
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Strong K&R. And what strikes me most about the responses |
woo me with science |
Oct-16-11 03:20 PM |
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Oy vay. Your conclusion reminds me of how sailors would see a manatee and swear it was a mermaid. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 03:25 PM |
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+100000 |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 03:39 PM |
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Well said. |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 03:40 PM |
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Really? |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 03:45 PM |
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Yes, really |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 03:53 PM |
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And |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 04:02 PM |
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self delete... double post... |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 03:53 PM |
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Do you believe that Corporate America routinely vilifies the right to collective bargain? |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 03:54 PM |
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? |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 04:05 PM |
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Hmmm? |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 04:05 PM |
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That's a yes. So do you believe that unemployed workers routinely demonize everyone who... |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 04:09 PM |
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Well?... |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 04:19 PM |
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Actually, |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 04:25 PM |
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Oct-16-11 04:28 PM |
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Are you for real? |
LittleBlue |
Oct-16-11 04:33 PM |
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More |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 04:50 PM |
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You're right on one point, by the way. It's a strawman, a false equivalency and it doesn't even... |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 04:52 PM |
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That's |
ProSense |
Oct-16-11 04:55 PM |
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That's |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 05:13 PM |
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Really?? You want us to believe that the Prez's statement actually SUPPORTS THE PROTESTERS?? |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 04:59 PM |
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Good points. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 05:17 PM |
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Damn just Damn! |
workinclasszero |
Oct-16-11 03:40 PM |
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You got all that from a cherrypicked paraphrase that conveniently ignores full context? Damn. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 03:46 PM |
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True to form, President Obama tip-toes expertly down the middle, |
bvar22 |
Oct-16-11 04:49 PM |
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Rev 3:16 - So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 05:21 PM |
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That might apply to Roast Beef Sandwiches, |
bvar22 |
Oct-16-11 06:45 PM |
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I agree, which was my point. No lukewarm. Jesus didn't like it either. |
yardwork |
Oct-16-11 09:45 PM |
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How does giving credence to a RW lie about the protesters "tip-toe down the middle??" |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 06:57 PM |
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Huge Unrec |
BklnDem75 |
Oct-16-11 04:55 PM |
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Unrec. You should have posted the FULL quote. |
Tx4obama |
Oct-16-11 05:29 PM |
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Do you believe that Corporate America routinely vilifies the right to collectively bargain? |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 05:30 PM |
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YES. See Citizens United, Americans for Progress and Citizens for a Sound economy. |
Mimosa |
Oct-16-11 05:43 PM |
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Do you believe that unemployed workers routinely demonize everyone who works on Wall Street? |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 05:51 PM |
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Heck no. |
Mimosa |
Oct-16-11 06:02 PM |
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Then the President's statement is a false equivalency. |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 06:05 PM |
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Look at what the Obama administration does with teachers' unions. |
JVS |
Oct-16-11 07:17 PM |
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I really have a hard time imagining MLK speaking up on behalf of the persecuted of Wall Street |
JVS |
Oct-16-11 05:49 PM |
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I don't. I'm sure there are minimum wage workers on Wall Street who need a defender, just like... |
ClassWarrior |
Oct-16-11 06:31 PM |
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I don't think that the janitors on wall street are the ones Obama is talking about. |
JVS |
Oct-16-11 07:14 PM |
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Link to the ENTIRE speech by Pres. O in full context, not the OP's cherrypicked paraphrase. --> |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-16-11 06:33 PM |
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Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad |
JoePhilly |
Oct-16-11 06:47 PM |
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i have nothing against secretaries and janitors who work there. |
dionysus |
Oct-16-11 07:10 PM |
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I'm going Godwin on this one. That's like challenging the injustice of the Nazi regime... |
JVS |
Oct-16-11 07:16 PM |
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No, it's not. Not even close. |
Empowerer |
Oct-16-11 07:19 PM |
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What would those who have lost family members on the altar of Wall Street's greed have to say? |
JVS |
Oct-16-11 07:24 PM |
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Wow. |
Empowerer |
Oct-17-11 10:33 PM |
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"Banksters" |
boppers |
Oct-16-11 10:27 PM |
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"Also, he'd be WAAAY into outsourcing. You know, statues, etc..." nt |
Romulox |
Oct-16-11 11:28 PM |
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the actual speech is good |
Skittles |
Oct-17-11 12:20 AM |
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If you think that was a pro-Wall Street statement, you're mistaken. |
boxman15 |
Oct-17-11 10:58 PM |
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