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36. Using King to rationalize Wall St. corruption? Awful.
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  -Obama: MLK would not want us to vilify all who work on Wall Street Enrique  Oct-16-11 11:11 AM   #0 
  - Backing Wall St?  SHRED   Oct-16-11 11:13 AM   #1 
  - That's probably true.  proud2BlibKansan   Oct-16-11 11:13 AM   #2 
  - Thanks for  ProSense   Oct-16-11 11:15 AM   #3 
  - thanks for putting random parts of my post in boldface  Enrique   Oct-16-11 11:16 AM   #4 
  - Oh  ProSense   Oct-16-11 11:18 AM   #6 
  - Let me be the second. Obama put words in MLK's mouth that aren't supported by history.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 11:19 AM   #7 
     - He didn't put ANY words in his mouth  Empowerer   Oct-16-11 01:41 PM   #63 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-16-11 11:17 AM   #5 
  - Recced up to zero.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 11:20 AM   #8 
  - unrecced back down to zero  AngkorWot   Oct-16-11 11:23 AM   #10 
     - Welcome to DU. Your concern is noted.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 11:30 AM   #15 
  - right..does that include the workers who are putting people out of their houses?  xiamiam   Oct-16-11 11:22 AM   #9 
  - I don't think anyone is vilifying ALL who work on Wall Street  tridim   Oct-16-11 11:24 AM   #11 
  - Well  ProSense   Oct-16-11 11:28 AM   #12 
  - Which is why Obama's comment is a straw man, as the OP points out.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 11:30 AM   #13 
     - Actually  ProSense   Oct-16-11 11:32 AM   #16 
     - Exactly - NOBODY is vilifying everyone on Wall Street.  polichick   Oct-16-11 11:32 AM   #17 
        - Maybe YOU don't villify everyone on Wall Street but there are many DUers who do.  PragmaticLiberal   Oct-16-11 11:45 AM   #26 
        - This is about hating rich people or hating WS workers. I see plenty of RWr's on Facebook  harun   Oct-16-11 02:23 PM   #94 
        - Stop pretending like you speak for the entire movement. You do not, nor will you ever.  phleshdef   Oct-16-11 12:36 PM   #42 
           - What an irrational response to what I posted. fyi, I did not vote for Nader...  polichick   Oct-16-11 06:41 PM   #171 
  - So, you don't doubt the truth of the statement. You just don't like it when Obama says it?  MjolnirTime   Oct-16-11 11:30 AM   #14 
  - He didn't even say it.  AngkorWot   Oct-16-11 11:32 AM   #18 
  - I read the OP as pointing out that Obama's statement is a straw man.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 11:32 AM   #20 
  - straw man  Enrique   Oct-16-11 11:34 AM   #21 
  - Actually, I have nothing against the janitors that clean buildings on Wall Street  saras   Oct-16-11 11:32 AM   #19 
  - Well said. n/t  Laelth   Oct-16-11 11:42 AM   #23 
  - Yes that's what I was going to say!  Rosa Luxemburg   Oct-16-11 02:01 PM   #73 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 11:41 AM   #22 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-16-11 11:48 AM   #29 
  - Asking who MLK would want to villify's kind of like asking who Ghandi'd want to beat up, no? (nt)  Posteritatis   Oct-16-11 11:43 AM   #24 
  - Exactly.  PragmaticLiberal   Oct-16-11 11:50 AM   #30 
  - That's it. A point some here want to obscure.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 11:54 AM   #33 
     - He didn't mention OWS in his speech  EffieBlack   Oct-16-11 02:15 PM   #87 
  - MLK would have been walking right along with the ows protestors  Evergreen Emerald   Oct-16-11 11:44 AM   #25 
  - What a shamefully opportunistic thing to say. N/T  EmeraldCityGrl   Oct-16-11 11:46 AM   #27 
  - I wouldn't go THAT hard on the prez - he's just being a politician.  polichick   Oct-16-11 11:47 AM   #28 
  - Really? He calls on MLK? Really?  Jakes Progress   Oct-16-11 11:50 AM   #31 
  - Yea, why in the hell would he call on MLK in a SPEECH ABOUT MLK???  phleshdef   Oct-16-11 12:17 PM   #34 
     - Why in hell would you write this?  Jakes Progress   Oct-16-11 03:58 PM   #136 
  - As so often happens...  Anatos   Oct-16-11 11:53 AM   #32 
  - I like how many pretend they aren't guilty of sweeping generalizations against financial workers.  phleshdef   Oct-16-11 12:23 PM   #35 
  - maybe you're missing the point  Enrique   Oct-16-11 12:30 PM   #39 
     - Thats a very regressive way to look at things.  phleshdef   Oct-16-11 12:42 PM   #44 
        - it's a matter of interests  Enrique   Oct-16-11 12:53 PM   #47 
           - If you have any faith in the movement, you shouldn't be worried about such things.  phleshdef   Oct-16-11 12:58 PM   #49 
              - the right-wing DOES try to co-opt the Civil Rights Movement  Enrique   Oct-16-11 01:06 PM   #51 
                 - Trying doesn't mean shit. They've never successfully co-opted it and they never will.  phleshdef   Oct-16-11 01:20 PM   #52 
                    - +1 Well said!  loyalsister   Oct-17-11 12:46 AM   #186 
  - Using King to rationalize Wall St. corruption? Awful.  BlueIris   Oct-16-11 12:26 PM   #36 
  - Your strawman argument is ridiculous but entirely expected.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 12:29 PM   #38 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 12:31 PM   #40 
  - Obama lives in a different universe than MLK nt  msongs   Oct-16-11 12:29 PM   #37 
  - Yea, the universe of the living.  phleshdef   Oct-16-11 12:32 PM   #41 
     - But, some could say the "Universe of the Privileged" also..  KoKo   Oct-16-11 03:46 PM   #130 
  - Dr. King's sister and children, Kerry Kennedy, John Lewis  Empowerer   Oct-16-11 12:40 PM   #43 
  - I didn't have a big problem with it  Enrique   Oct-16-11 12:49 PM   #46 
     - I know what he said. I was there when he said it.  Empowerer   Oct-16-11 01:00 PM   #50 
        - I have a problem with what Obama said.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 01:23 PM   #53 
           - Did you listen to the entire speech?  Empowerer   Oct-16-11 01:25 PM   #54 
           - I read the entire official transcript. I don't agree with a lot of it.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 01:28 PM   #55 
              - Fine. You have a right to your opinion  Empowerer   Oct-16-11 01:43 PM   #64 
                 - The fact that an anonymous poster on a political bulletin board claims  yardwork   Oct-16-11 01:48 PM   #66 
                    - You have every right to post whatever you like where you choose  Empowerer   Oct-16-11 01:55 PM   #71 
                       - I would hope that people you know have more credibility to you than an anonymous poster.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 02:00 PM   #72 
           - Hmmm?  ProSense   Oct-16-11 01:30 PM   #57 
              - I know what he said. I read the entire official transcript.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 01:32 PM   #58 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 01:34 PM   #59 
                    - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-16-11 01:37 PM   #61 
                    - It is your opinion that I am misrepresenting. It is my opinion that I am not. /nt  yardwork   Oct-16-11 01:53 PM   #70 
  - We shouldn't "begrudge them their wealth."  bvar22   Oct-16-11 12:47 PM   #45 
  - it's the American Dream  Enrique   Oct-16-11 12:57 PM   #48 
  - How typically DU to take a speech that was received as a positive and distort it to turn it into a  Pirate Smile   Oct-16-11 01:28 PM   #56 
  - The full quote of what he said here. (anyone offended by what he said must be nuts)  phleshdef   Oct-16-11 01:37 PM   #60 
  - You're right.  Empowerer   Oct-16-11 01:46 PM   #65 
  - That's your opinion. I don't agree with Obama's premise. I'm not offended. Just disagree.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 01:49 PM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 02:05 PM   #76 
  - What exactly do you disagree with?  EffieBlack   Oct-16-11 02:09 PM   #80 
     - I've expressed my opinion in several places on this thread.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 02:10 PM   #83 
  - I missed the speech but after reading the context...  BklnDem75   Oct-16-11 04:44 PM   #149 
  - Thanks for the context. That statement is very mild and is one sentence out of many  Number23   Oct-16-11 06:32 PM   #169 
  - Reminds me of the CBC speech that was disparaged.  joshcryer   Oct-16-11 07:08 PM   #175 
  - Here's that sentence in context:  Empowerer   Oct-16-11 01:37 PM   #62 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 01:49 PM   #67 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 01:49 PM   #68 
  - as someone pointed out above, he's a politician  Enrique   Oct-16-11 02:01 PM   #74 
     - I'm shaken by the hatred expressed in this thread. The personal attacks are over the top.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 02:08 PM   #78 
     - The OP cherrypicked a phrase in order to demonize President Obama.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 02:11 PM   #84 
     - And you're cherrypicking one phrase from a quote which also defends unions against vilification too.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 02:08 PM   #79 
     - take any of my criticisms of Obama, and apply it to either Clinton  Enrique   Oct-16-11 02:15 PM   #89 
        - +1  yardwork   Oct-16-11 02:16 PM   #90 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 02:21 PM   #92 
           - I also defended Wesley Clark  Enrique   Oct-16-11 02:29 PM   #96 
              - Your OP is a cherrypicked paraphrase that distorts Pres. Obama's healing MLK speech into ugliness.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 02:35 PM   #99 
     - Obamaphobia  Anatos   Oct-17-11 06:19 PM   #187 
        - Great post!  EffieBlack   Oct-17-11 06:26 PM   #188 
  - This is pointless  Hutzpa   Oct-16-11 02:04 PM   #75 
  - Your cherrypicking demonization is a FAIL.-->Obama: MLK would not want businessmen to vilify unions.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 02:06 PM   #77 
  - yes, it's much more interesting in context  Enrique   Oct-16-11 02:09 PM   #82 
     - I missed that part, too.  EffieBlack   Oct-16-11 02:11 PM   #85 
     - That's a false statement. Keep digging.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 02:13 PM   #86 
  - Do you think everyone who works on Wall Street is a crook? Some do.  MjolnirTime   Oct-16-11 02:09 PM   #81 
  - yeah, and there was a guy there with a sign blaming the Jews  Enrique   Oct-16-11 02:20 PM   #91 
  - So you agree with the Teabaggers who claim that the ObamaNazi guy isn't one of them?  MjolnirTime   Oct-16-11 02:59 PM   #107 
     - What's "a good number?" 1 million? 1 thousand? 100?  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 03:34 PM   #120 
        - How about people right here at DU? People who claim to be representative of OWS.  MjolnirTime   Oct-16-11 03:45 PM   #127 
           - You didn't answer my question.  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 03:47 PM   #131 
  - Did the segregationists not have law on their side too? Did their adherence to the law exempt...  JVS   Oct-16-11 05:51 PM   #164 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 02:15 PM   #88 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 02:23 PM   #93 
  - OP is a cherrypicked paraphase designed to excite disgust at Pres. Obama. What O said in context->  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 02:26 PM   #95 
     - I read the context before writing my response  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 02:35 PM   #98 
        - Then you could care less about MLK's message also. Gotcha.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 02:36 PM   #100 
        - LOL  EffieBlack   Oct-16-11 02:38 PM   #102 
        - MLK is a better man than I am  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 02:43 PM   #103 
           - President Obama wasn't doing that or saying that. You're missing his message completely.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 02:46 PM   #105 
              - No, he was using a logically fallacious argument to prove  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 02:50 PM   #106 
                 - You're taking his thoughtful, wise words & making a strawman argument. Nowhere did he cast blame.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 02:59 PM   #108 
                    - No Clark, it's a strawman  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 03:05 PM   #109 
                    - That's a false narrative you're pushing. Quote exactly what Pres. O said that outrages you so much.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 03:12 PM   #111 
                       - Right here  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 03:16 PM   #113 
                          - You are missing his points completely.He was defending protesters' right to challenge Wall Street...  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 03:22 PM   #115 
                             - He used a logical fallacy to do it. Look, I can do it too  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 03:27 PM   #117 
                                - No, you're using a strawman fallacy to distort his wise words that caution against demonization.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 03:29 PM   #118 
                                   - No one is demonizing.  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 03:32 PM   #119 
                                      - President Obama said no one should do so, just because they disagree with protesters or businessmen.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 03:40 PM   #124 
                                         - This is about OWS, not some Republican you read somewhere  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 03:49 PM   #132 
                                            - This is not about OWS. It is about President Obama's full context which didn't mention OWS...  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 04:02 PM   #138 
                                               - Let me get this straight. You think  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 04:22 PM   #144 
                                               - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 04:30 PM   #147 
                                               - Pres. Obama spoke in allegory. His other references, which you're ignoring, are similarly framed.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 06:06 PM   #167 
                    - He didn't even MENTION OWS!  EffieBlack   Oct-16-11 03:12 PM   #110 
                       - Oh really?  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 03:41 PM   #126 
                       - NEITHER DID THE OP!!  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 04:21 PM   #143 
        - I can imagine how much you must hate listening to Dr. King's speeches  EffieBlack   Oct-16-11 02:37 PM   #101 
           - I could believe in hope if we had someone to place that hope in  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 02:45 PM   #104 
              - Then maybe you should seek out a civil rights leader to put your hopes in . . .  EffieBlack   Oct-16-11 03:13 PM   #112 
                 - Maybe I should go to church and not bother voting.  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 03:38 PM   #121 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-11 02:29 PM   #97 
  - Strong K&R. And what strikes me most about the responses  woo me with science   Oct-16-11 03:20 PM   #114 
  - Oy vay. Your conclusion reminds me of how sailors would see a manatee and swear it was a mermaid.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 03:25 PM   #116 
  - +100000  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 03:39 PM   #122 
  - Well said.  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 03:40 PM   #123 
  - Really?  ProSense   Oct-16-11 03:45 PM   #128 
     - Yes, really  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 03:53 PM   #133 
     - And  ProSense   Oct-16-11 04:02 PM   #137 
     - self delete... double post...  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 03:53 PM   #134 
     - Do you believe that Corporate America routinely vilifies the right to collective bargain?  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 03:54 PM   #135 
        - ?  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 04:05 PM   #139 
        - Hmmm?  ProSense   Oct-16-11 04:05 PM   #140 
           - That's a yes. So do you believe that unemployed workers routinely demonize everyone who...  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 04:09 PM   #141 
              - Well?...  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 04:19 PM   #142 
              - Actually,  ProSense   Oct-16-11 04:25 PM   #145 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-16-11 04:28 PM   #146 
                 - Are you for real?  LittleBlue   Oct-16-11 04:33 PM   #148 
                 - More  ProSense   Oct-16-11 04:50 PM   #151 
                 - You're right on one point, by the way. It's a strawman, a false equivalency and it doesn't even...  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 04:52 PM   #152 
                 - That's  ProSense   Oct-16-11 04:55 PM   #154 
                    - That's  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 05:13 PM   #156 
                 - Really?? You want us to believe that the Prez's statement actually SUPPORTS THE PROTESTERS??  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 04:59 PM   #155 
  - Good points.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 05:17 PM   #157 
  - Damn just Damn!  workinclasszero   Oct-16-11 03:40 PM   #125 
  - You got all that from a cherrypicked paraphrase that conveniently ignores full context? Damn.  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 03:46 PM   #129 
  - True to form, President Obama tip-toes expertly down the middle,  bvar22   Oct-16-11 04:49 PM   #150 
  - Rev 3:16 - So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 05:21 PM   #158 
  - That might apply to Roast Beef Sandwiches,  bvar22   Oct-16-11 06:45 PM   #172 
     - I agree, which was my point. No lukewarm. Jesus didn't like it either.  yardwork   Oct-16-11 09:45 PM   #182 
  - How does giving credence to a RW lie about the protesters "tip-toe down the middle??"  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 06:57 PM   #174 
  - Huge Unrec  BklnDem75   Oct-16-11 04:55 PM   #153 
  - Unrec. You should have posted the FULL quote.  Tx4obama   Oct-16-11 05:29 PM   #159 
  - Do you believe that Corporate America routinely vilifies the right to collectively bargain?  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 05:30 PM   #160 
     - YES. See Citizens United, Americans for Progress and Citizens for a Sound economy.  Mimosa   Oct-16-11 05:43 PM   #161 
     - Do you believe that unemployed workers routinely demonize everyone who works on Wall Street?  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 05:51 PM   #163 
        - Heck no.  Mimosa   Oct-16-11 06:02 PM   #165 
           - Then the President's statement is a false equivalency.  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 06:05 PM   #166 
     - Look at what the Obama administration does with teachers' unions.  JVS   Oct-16-11 07:17 PM   #179 
  - I really have a hard time imagining MLK speaking up on behalf of the persecuted of Wall Street  JVS   Oct-16-11 05:49 PM   #162 
  - I don't. I'm sure there are minimum wage workers on Wall Street who need a defender, just like...  ClassWarrior   Oct-16-11 06:31 PM   #168 
     - I don't think that the janitors on wall street are the ones Obama is talking about.  JVS   Oct-16-11 07:14 PM   #177 
  - Link to the ENTIRE speech by Pres. O in full context, not the OP's cherrypicked paraphrase. -->  ClarkUSA   Oct-16-11 06:33 PM   #170 
  - Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad  JoePhilly   Oct-16-11 06:47 PM   #173 
  - i have nothing against secretaries and janitors who work there.  dionysus   Oct-16-11 07:10 PM   #176 
  - I'm going Godwin on this one. That's like challenging the injustice of the Nazi regime...  JVS   Oct-16-11 07:16 PM   #178 
  - No, it's not. Not even close.  Empowerer   Oct-16-11 07:19 PM   #180 
     - What would those who have lost family members on the altar of Wall Street's greed have to say?  JVS   Oct-16-11 07:24 PM   #181 
        - Wow.  Empowerer   Oct-17-11 10:33 PM   #189 
  - "Banksters"  boppers   Oct-16-11 10:27 PM   #183 
  - "Also, he'd be WAAAY into outsourcing. You know, statues, etc..." nt  Romulox   Oct-16-11 11:28 PM   #184 
  - the actual speech is good  Skittles   Oct-17-11 12:20 AM   #185 
  - If you think that was a pro-Wall Street statement, you're mistaken.  boxman15   Oct-17-11 10:58 PM   #190 
 

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