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2. Thanks for finding that
Most of the hot air here is not even supported by anything in particular.
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  -Thanks To The Obama Administration, Hedge Fund Billionaire Sentenced To 11 Yrs. + $10 Million Fine ClarkUSA  Oct-13-11 02:26 PM   #0 
  - shouldn't this be bookmarked  Sheepshank   Oct-13-11 02:30 PM   #1 
  - Obama just said this week that there was no crime committed  sabrina 1   Oct-13-11 09:23 PM   #32 
  - Nonsense! Obama said that MORTGAGES were not a crime.  banned from Kos   Oct-13-11 10:06 PM   #37 
     - The mortgages themselves may not be a crime (and that's debatable) but many, if not most, of  1monster   Oct-14-11 12:34 AM   #52 
     - There's been a $20,000,000,000 settlement which will go entirely to helping distressed homeowners.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 11:50 AM   #150 
        - Yes, allowing them to buy their way out of their crimes.  sabrina 1   Oct-14-11 01:53 PM   #174 
     - Now you're making it worse.  sabrina 1   Oct-14-11 01:21 AM   #82 
        - President Obama never said that. Give us the exact full quote along with a link to the news source.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 11:46 AM   #149 
  - What was this person's role in the economic collapse? Less than certain members of the Obama admin?  GOTV   Oct-14-11 12:13 PM   #160 
  - Thanks for finding that  treestar   Oct-13-11 02:31 PM   #2 
  - You, sir, are on a roll. Thank you.  great white snark   Oct-13-11 02:40 PM   #7 
  - Yes OF COURSE it all hot air and there are no grievances.  chill_wind   Oct-13-11 02:51 PM   #12 
  - Excellent! Another Wall St. Crook Goes to Prison!  MineralMan   Oct-13-11 02:37 PM   #3 
  - "The 11-year sentence was significantly lower than the range of roughly 19 to 24 years requested"  Arctic Dave   Oct-13-11 02:38 PM   #4 
  - ...  Whisp   Oct-13-11 02:39 PM   #5 
  - Trust me, what ever you can dish out, I can take.  Arctic Dave   Oct-13-11 03:05 PM   #19 
  - I can definitely tell you didn't bother to read the article.  ClarkUSA   Oct-13-11 02:40 PM   #6 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-13-11 03:11 PM   #20 
  - Your conclusion is unwarranted  nichomachus   Oct-13-11 02:42 PM   #8 
  - LOL! Unlike my OP headline, your empty rhetoric is unsupported by any facts.  ClarkUSA   Oct-13-11 02:44 PM   #9 
  - NYTimes Editorial Board: Obama's foreclosure settlement deal with big banks would let them off hook  brentspeak   Oct-13-11 03:14 PM   #22 
  - Still cherrypicking negative op-eds?  ClarkUSA   Oct-13-11 03:21 PM   #23 
  - So that's the guy that wrecked the economy? I'm glad they got him!  GOTV   Oct-14-11 12:17 PM   #162 
  - Yup....just a drop in the bucket....a sacrificial lamb if you will...  truebrit71   Oct-13-11 02:48 PM   #11 
  - +1000  chill_wind   Oct-13-11 02:54 PM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-13-11 02:56 PM   #15 
  - And there's your problem right there...  chill_wind   Oct-13-11 08:14 PM   #28 
  - So what is the story of that darn cute dog popping up into the  midnight   Oct-14-11 12:11 AM   #47 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-13-11 11:20 PM   #42 
  - +1000  stockholmer   Oct-14-11 01:08 AM   #71 
  - Wrong. Did you bother to read the entire OP?  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 12:07 PM   #155 
  - And  ProSense   Oct-13-11 03:04 PM   #17 
     - +1 "The number of prosecutions will never be enough."  great white snark   Oct-13-11 03:25 PM   #24 
     - How come you forgot THESE links?  brentspeak   Oct-13-11 05:44 PM   #25 
     - Hmmm.  chill_wind   Oct-13-11 08:18 PM   #29 
     - Damn you! This was supposed to be a "told you so" thread. How dare you bring these items up?  Raster   Oct-14-11 08:58 AM   #134 
     - Regarding Taylor, Bean and Lee Farkas  JDPriestly   Oct-13-11 09:32 PM   #34 
     - Becasue the # of prosecutions is not relevant. It's who's prosecuted vs. who's protected.  GOTV   Oct-14-11 12:28 PM   #165 
  - Rec'd. Truth. -nt  CakeGrrl   Oct-13-11 02:45 PM   #10 
  - Ah ok so one out of thousands huh? Color me unimpressed.  slay   Oct-13-11 02:54 PM   #14 
  - Color me unsurprised by your inability to acknowledge ALL the facts detailed in the OP.  ClarkUSA   Oct-13-11 03:05 PM   #18 
  - A few fall guys. A few fines.  sulphurdunn   Oct-14-11 11:36 AM   #146 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-13-11 11:29 PM   #43 
  - He got nailed for insider trading, even Martha Stewart got prison time  ChandlerJr   Oct-13-11 02:59 PM   #16 
  - What do you think Wall Street reform was about? Pres. Obama stands behind the Volcker Rule in it.  ClarkUSA   Oct-13-11 03:13 PM   #21 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-13-11 11:48 PM   #44 
     - Cowardice.  FedUp_Queer   Oct-14-11 11:03 AM   #142 
        - Yes, we know you're never satisfied, even when Pres. Obama reverses Clinton's deregulating shame.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 12:49 PM   #168 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-14-11 02:00 PM   #175 
  - Good. Although that fine's way too low.  BreweryYardRat   Oct-13-11 06:19 PM   #26 
  - Nice that he's going away. Even if it is just for show.  Jakes Progress   Oct-13-11 07:59 PM   #27 
  - Not all that difficult to convict an outsider, an apparent immigrant.  JDPriestly   Oct-13-11 09:19 PM   #30 
  - That's why they went after him.  BulletproofLandshark   Oct-13-11 09:47 PM   #35 
  - They can't do that.  FedUp_Queer   Oct-15-11 05:13 PM   #187 
  - "In 2009, the agency launched nearly 500 investigations, double the 2008 level"  bhikkhu   Oct-13-11 09:20 PM   #31 
  - Who prosecuted this crime? Seems it was a Manhattan DA.  sabrina 1   Oct-13-11 09:28 PM   #33 
  - THAT DOESN'T SUPPORT MY PREDETERMINED NARRATIVE!  BulletproofLandshark   Oct-13-11 09:48 PM   #36 
  - I'm sorry if it doesn't support your predetermined narrative.  sabrina 1   Oct-14-11 12:13 AM   #48 
     - Sorry for the misunderstanding.  BulletproofLandshark   Oct-14-11 05:40 AM   #133 
  - +1  emilyg   Oct-13-11 10:12 PM   #38 
  - +2  russspeakeasy   Oct-13-11 10:32 PM   #39 
  - Hmmm?  ProSense   Oct-13-11 11:05 PM   #40 
  - Thanks to you and Clark for still trying to debunk the bullshit  Number23   Oct-14-11 12:56 AM   #62 
  - "deceptive claims"? The irony of your red herring accusation is striking given the FACTS. -->  ClarkUSA   Oct-13-11 11:06 PM   #41 
  - A massive crime was committed against this country by  sabrina 1   Oct-13-11 11:58 PM   #45 
     - Your rhetoric is patently false. ProSense and I answered your question & my OP proves you wrong.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 12:25 AM   #50 
        - Your OP proves that one person  sabrina 1   Oct-14-11 01:05 AM   #68 
        - Wrong again.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:12 AM   #75 
           - About what?  sabrina 1   Oct-14-11 01:16 AM   #79 
              - Enough with the strawmen. Your leading sentence is false. You were wrong here too. -->  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 02:05 AM   #123 
        - You cannot expect honesty from that one.  joshcryer   Oct-14-11 02:16 AM   #130 
  - Hey you! Stop revealing the truth! We have propaganda to sell.  Safetykitten   Oct-14-11 12:11 AM   #46 
  - A net of $2.8 billion after the fine and an 11-year sentence he'll probably never have to serve?  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 12:18 AM   #49 
  - FACT: He "must report within 45 days to the Bureau of Prisons, which will assign him to a facility."  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 12:31 AM   #51 
     - I wonder what kind of "facility" it is. Bread and water? Toilet next to the wooden bed?  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 12:34 AM   #53 
        - Here's their website. -->  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 12:46 AM   #54 
           - I'm not doing your research for you. You're the one making an allegation. Defend it.  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 12:47 AM   #55 
              - You're making a false statement. I proved you wrong on your original claim so just accept it.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 12:48 AM   #56 
                 - You didn't prove anything. Has the criminal started serving his sentence yet?  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 12:50 AM   #57 
                    - The New York Times did it for me. And reread Reply #51. Lather, rinse, repeat.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 12:52 AM   #58 
                       - So I have 45 days to be proven right.  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 12:53 AM   #59 
                          - Uh huh. Unlike me, you have zero facts on your side, of course.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 12:55 AM   #60 
                             - You have the kind of facts that can see into the future??  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 12:56 AM   #61 
                             - I am quoting The New York Times re: what the judge ordered. Who are your legal sources?  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 12:57 AM   #63 
                                - Please show me the quote from NYT "legal sources" that says this guy will serve the full...  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:00 AM   #66 
                                   - LOL! Moving the goalpost now? Do your own homework. I've answered you enough.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:06 AM   #69 
                                   - I'm not moving anything. I say he never serves the full 11 years. Guys like this seldom do.  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:11 AM   #74 
                                      - There's no parole. But he is Christie-corpulent. If the perp dies, then you'd be right.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:15 AM   #77 
                                         - There is time off for good behavior - per your post.  GOTV   Oct-14-11 12:39 PM   #166 
                                            - Quote?  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:33 PM   #171 
                                   - Nobody goes to prison for sleeping in the park.  bornskeptic   Oct-14-11 02:18 PM   #177 
                             - By the way, you've conveniently avoided the FACT that this criminal netted a $2.8 billion profit.  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 12:58 AM   #64 
                                - So what? Go cry to the judge or run for office and change sentencing guidelines in NY.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 12:59 AM   #65 
                                   - So what? Your OP screams that he's being "held accountable." But now it's...  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:01 AM   #67 
                                      - He does have that heavy burden to carry. "White Collar Criminal and Billionaire". That's harsh!  Safetykitten   Oct-14-11 01:07 AM   #70 
                                      - Being sentenced to a record eleven years in federal prison for this type of crime is historic.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:10 AM   #73 
                                         - Wow, so now sentences for country club prisons are only tiny, not miniscule.  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:36 AM   #92 
                                            - A record setting 11 yr, sentence is "tiny"? Sure. Prove that FMC Butner is a "country club prison"  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:41 AM   #96 
                                               - Prove that it isn't one. And tell the folks serving longer for shoplifting to feed their families...  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:47 AM   #101 
                                                  - You made the claim, I didn't, so prove it. Also name "the folks serving longer for shoplifting".  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:51 AM   #103 
                                                  - I repeat, Didn't you say that he'd be "assigned to a facility in 45 days?" So why do you somehow...  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:52 AM   #105 
                                                  - Name "the folks serving longer sentences for shoplifting" in federal prison.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:54 AM   #108 
                                                  - I repeat, so you have zero proof of your bogus claims. How unsurprising  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:54 AM   #110 
                                                  - My OP proves my claims.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:59 AM   #114 
                                                  - It proves that letting a criminal keep $2.8 billion of the $2.9 billion he stole holds him...  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 02:01 AM   #117 
                                                  - If you're not happy with the fine, that's not my problem. Complain to the judge.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 02:03 AM   #121 
                                                  - This has nothing to do with my happiness. Show me where the article proves that letting a...  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 02:06 AM   #124 
                                                  - Yes, it does. You keep complaining about it. It clearly bothers you. That's not my problem.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 02:09 AM   #126 
                                                  - No, I keep complaining that it undermines the entire premise of your OP, that this common thief...  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 02:13 AM   #128 
                                                  - You're entitled to your subjective opinion. Legally speaking, you are wrong.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 02:16 AM   #129 
                                                  - I agree that it's my opinion that your opinion is laughable. Why do you keep trying avoid...  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 02:19 AM   #131 
                                                  - Yawn. Your empty rhetoric is a bore.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 02:28 AM   #132 
                                                  - If he got to keep that money then this is certainly not justice.  GOTV   Oct-14-11 12:45 PM   #167 
                                                  - Life Sentences for Shoplifting.  FedUp_Queer   Oct-14-11 11:12 AM   #144 
                                                  - Apples and oranges. What does CA state law circa 2004 have to do with this federal case?  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 12:02 PM   #153 
                                                  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-14-11 01:35 PM   #172 
                                      - That's right. Your never ending complaints do not change the facts contained in my OP.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:08 AM   #72 
                                         - I didn't say it changed any facts. I said it gave the lie to your allegation that this criminal...  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:13 AM   #76 
                                            - That's your subjective opinion. Legally speaking, you are wrong.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:16 AM   #78 
                                               - No, that's YOUR subjective opinion. I wasn't speaking about anything "legally." I was speaking...  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:18 AM   #80 
                                                  - The fine is a legal fact, as reported by The New York Times article.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:19 AM   #81 
                                                     - Tricky. Change your post after I've responded. Can't win on the "facts," so you resort to cheating?  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:21 AM   #83 
                                                     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-14-11 01:26 AM   #84 
                                                     - I give him copious credit when he deserves it. I think it disrespects him to...  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:30 AM   #87 
                                                     - That's news to me. Here's proof of President Obama's role in bringing this case to fruition.-->  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:33 AM   #89 
                                                     - Whether he was responsible for this failure of justice or not, he doesn't deserve kudos for it.  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:35 AM   #90 
                                                     - A record prison term = "failure of justice"? lol! Your perspective is quite skewed.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:38 AM   #93 
                                                     - A record prison term? I'm sure that'll console the folks serving longer sentences for shoplifting.  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:41 AM   #95 
                                                     - Name "the folks serving longer sentences for shoplifting" in federal prison at FMC Butner.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:42 AM   #97 
                                                     - Oh, they don't get the country club accommodations. But you keep avoiding the point.  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:45 AM   #99 
                                                     - I repeat, name "the folks serving longer sentences for shoplifting" in federal prison at FMC Butner.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:47 AM   #100 
                                                     - I repeat, Didn't you say that he'd be "assigned to a facility in 45 days?" So why do you somehow...  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:52 AM   #104 
                                                     - You have zero proof of your bogus claims. How unsurprising.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:54 AM   #109 
                                                     - You have zero proof of your bogus claims. How unsurprising.  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:55 AM   #111 
                                                     - lol! Keep repeating after me... maybe you'll finally read Reply 51.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 02:03 AM   #120 
                                                     - I did. See reply #119.  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 02:04 AM   #122 
                                                     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-14-11 02:10 AM   #127 
                                                     - I'm not talking about "the fine." I'm talking about how patently laughable it is to claim that...  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:27 AM   #85 
                                                     - Again, that's your subjective opinion. Legally speaking, you are wrong.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:29 AM   #86 
                                                     - I'm not legally speaking. And yes, it's my opinion that your opinion is laughable.  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:31 AM   #88 
                                                     - The feeling is mutual. Yet unlike you, I have facts to back me up.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:35 AM   #91 
                                                     - Okay, show me the facts that say that a $2.8 billion profit holds a criminal "accountable"...  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:39 AM   #94 
                                                     - You're constructing a strawman argument. Is that all you've got?  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:45 AM   #98 
                                                     - Didn't you say that he'd be "assigned to a facility in 45 days?" So why do you somehow know...  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:48 AM   #102 
                                                     - Where is proof of your claim that the facility is a "country club prison"?  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:53 AM   #106 
                                                     - So you have zero proof for your bogus claims. How unsurprising.  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:54 AM   #107 
                                                     - You're right. I should have phrased that differently. I should have said...  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 01:58 AM   #112 
                                                     - Name "the folks serving longer sentences for shoplifting" in federal prison at FMC Butner.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:58 AM   #113 
                                                     - I thought your "facts" said he'd be assigned a facility in 45 days. So what the hell is "FMC Butner?  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 02:00 AM   #115 
                                                     - For the second time: Reread Reply #51. You keep ignoring the facts in favor of empty rhetoric.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 02:00 AM   #116 
                                                     - I did. It says, "FACT: He "must report within 45 days to the Bureau of Prisons, which will..."  ClassWarrior   Oct-14-11 02:02 AM   #119 
                                                     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-14-11 02:07 AM   #125 
                                                     - That's one sentence. Try reading the REST of the paragraph I have repeatedly quoted.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 10:23 AM   #137 
  - This was for insider trading, not going after Bank CEO's responsible for the financial crisis  girl_interrupted   Oct-14-11 02:02 AM   #118 
  - Did you read the entire OP?  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 10:35 AM   #139 
  - So when are they going after the Goldman Sachs guy who funneled info to Raj?  polichick   Oct-14-11 09:08 AM   #135 
  - Take the last paragraph to heart.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 10:33 AM   #138 
     - When it's Goldman Sachs, the answer is more than likely NEVER...  polichick   Oct-14-11 10:38 AM   #140 
        - Wrong. The SEC has successfully sued Goldman Sachs for fraud during the 2008-2009 financial crisis.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 10:40 AM   #141 
           - A fine is not a Goldman exec going to prison...  polichick   Oct-14-11 11:04 AM   #143 
              - To be exact, it was a record $550,000,000 fine. As a taxpayer, I'm satisfied with that.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 11:34 AM   #145 
                 - Sounds like an excuse not to go after their good buddies.  polichick   Oct-14-11 11:38 AM   #147 
                    - Prove it. Your conspiracy theory is unfounded.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 11:41 AM   #148 
                       - That lame line you use doesn't impress me - and neither does the WH rhetoric.  polichick   Oct-14-11 11:50 AM   #151 
                          - Lame conspiracy theories don't impress me - and neither does your negative rhetoric.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 11:53 AM   #152 
                             - Refusing to prosecute high-level criminals is not a conspiracy theory, it's a policy for this WH...  polichick   Oct-14-11 12:06 PM   #154 
                                - My OP content proves you wrong. Baseless conspiracy theory rhetoric doesn't impress me.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 12:09 PM   #156 
                                   - We already went through the difference between fines and prison...  polichick   Oct-14-11 12:16 PM   #161 
                                      - We already went though the difference between the OP facts and your baseless conspiracy theories.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 12:24 PM   #164 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-14-11 09:57 AM   #136 
  - This is for insider trading - which is not behavior that brought down the Economy  GOTV   Oct-14-11 12:09 PM   #157 
  - Which "the government" got "brought down"?  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 12:12 PM   #159 
     - Ooops. Meant "Economy"  GOTV   Oct-14-11 12:24 PM   #163 
  - Great job, and there are many more crooks who need the same  golfguru   Oct-14-11 12:09 PM   #158 
  - The scape-goating of one brown person  swilton   Oct-14-11 01:07 PM   #169 
  - Your racially-tinged comment is patronizingly offensive.Your conspiracy theory is unfounded as well.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 01:27 PM   #170 
     - It is patronizingly offensive to  swilton   Oct-14-11 11:55 PM   #180 
        - Not interested in your racial BS conspiracy theory. He did the crime & will soon serve record time.  ClarkUSA   Oct-15-11 12:00 AM   #181 
  - Not a bad article but not a big deal.  FedUp_Queer   Oct-14-11 01:49 PM   #173 
  - Steal $2.9 Billion, pay a $10 Million dollar fine....  Scuba   Oct-14-11 02:10 PM   #176 
  - Go for it.  ClarkUSA   Oct-14-11 02:31 PM   #178 
  - Rajaratnam stole $72 million.  Moosepoop   Oct-15-11 05:58 AM   #183 
  - Kudos to the O Admin.  davidwparker   Oct-14-11 04:24 PM   #179 
  - Well, that's one.  Vinca   Oct-15-11 05:28 AM   #182 
  - LOLOL  Skittles   Oct-15-11 06:47 AM   #184 
  - Oh my lord, now we have reached Alice in Wonderland levels of absurdity.  woo me with science   Oct-15-11 08:58 AM   #185 
  - The op shows how the need to believe trumps all reason.  polichick   Oct-15-11 09:43 AM   #186 
  - K & R!  TomCADem   Oct-16-11 11:41 AM   #188 
  - Ten million to a billionaire is nothing  marlakay   Oct-16-11 12:20 PM   #189 
  - Jesus H. Christ ... do you think this idiot was anywhere NEAR the top?  Bake   Oct-17-11 11:22 AM   #190 
 

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