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And could add a dozen more points to the argument if I had the time today.
On the other hand, this internecine fight is not going to end well. I doubt that the kind of subtle, subconscious racism driving the rabid criticism of this president (and I don't think that's the only factor involved, but it is certainly a major element) is going to be convinced of its own existence or mend the error of its ways. The argument has deep validity, but it's going to drive the offending parties away even more and make them dig their heels in further. I've seen it going on since the primaries. Hell, people (on OUR side) were already out in droves criticizing the president for all the inaugural balls, and no amount of explaining that states organize their own balls would convince them that he was not putting on airs in a time of financial crisis. Policy criticisms came before day one; appointments generated howls (many the same as Clinton's, such as Larry Summers, who was hailed as an architect of the Clinton miracle economy but vilified from day one as a Wall Street insider).
I think we need to reach the reachable and give up on the David Sirotas and the anarchist elements and the disaffected primary pouters and focus on those who are silently supportive or leaning toward support. When you do electoral politics, this is how you focus your resources. You never try to convince people who have made up their minds to vote for someone else that they are wrong and should change their minds. You contact the "plusses," the people whose support you know you can get but who sometimes need to be roused from their slumbers.
Let the others keep looking for Mr(s) Ideal/Untested candidate and utopian scheme. They're lost to the real world, and will never admit that a double-standard is what is driving them.
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| -"David Sirota and the white Leftist version of racism" (deaniac83 at The People's View) |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-28-11 07:18 PM |
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We need more from Obama than we needed from Clinton |
jpgray |
Sep-28-11 07:34 PM |
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On one side.. |
vaberella |
Sep-28-11 07:43 PM |
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Yes, you could use the desperate times as a cover for racially-motivated criticism |
jpgray |
Sep-28-11 08:27 PM |
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I'm not sure that I follow--who is demanding ponies....Wall Street maybe |
Supersedeas |
Oct-01-11 01:04 PM |
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if a house is burning down, do you grab the firefighters and yell at them |
Whisp |
Sep-28-11 07:45 PM |
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Sep-28-11 07:42 PM |
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I think so. |
vaberella |
Sep-28-11 07:46 PM |
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Well, Obama supporters have been saying that for the past 2.6 years, to no avail. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-28-11 07:50 PM |
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Dupe ... posted here yesterday by ClarkUSA ... |
slipslidingaway |
Sep-28-11 08:07 PM |
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Wrong. This is not a dupe. I have never posted an OP featuring this article here or anywhere. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-28-11 08:09 PM |
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True, it was not an OP, you posted the same article in another thread which had many replies ... |
slipslidingaway |
Sep-28-11 08:40 PM |
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Thus, it is not a dupe. It's not exactly "the same" either. Nice try, anyway. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-28-11 08:50 PM |
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And it smells no better today, for reasons discussed. |
chill_wind |
Sep-28-11 09:49 PM |
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LOL! I would worry about you if you said anything complimentary about one of my OPs. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-28-11 09:57 PM |
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OK let's ask you this. In your own words, what do you think is the central point |
chill_wind |
Sep-28-11 10:16 PM |
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deaniac83 speaks for me. I won't jump through your hoops nor ask how high. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-28-11 10:27 PM |
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Weak. It seems important enough to repost. in full length, so what is |
chill_wind |
Sep-28-11 10:37 PM |
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He's a member here. |
Puglover |
Sep-30-11 03:36 PM |
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And how many times have you seen the Sirota piece OP'd and linked? |
CakeGrrl |
Sep-28-11 09:56 PM |
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More than once. Not by the same person, though. n/t |
chill_wind |
Sep-28-11 10:43 PM |
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With 'supporters' like these |
Mr Deltoid |
Sep-28-11 08:14 PM |
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Yes, we know... |
CakeGrrl |
Sep-28-11 09:56 PM |
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Yes |
Mr Deltoid |
Sep-30-11 06:39 PM |
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LOL |
Bobbie Jo |
Oct-01-11 01:14 PM |
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Cue the Twilight Zone music |
BklnDem75 |
Sep-29-11 02:11 PM |
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Sep-28-11 08:14 PM |
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Rec'd. Truth. -nt |
CakeGrrl |
Sep-28-11 08:43 PM |
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Back to zero. Again. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-28-11 08:56 PM |
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Given the enthusiasm for Sirota's refutation of the "arrogant" MHP, |
CakeGrrl |
Sep-28-11 08:58 PM |
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I guess Sirota couldn't get away with calling MHP "uppity" so "arrogant" sufficed as code. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-28-11 09:16 PM |
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Code for racist, ClarkUSA? Is that your contention? Sirota is a racist? |
chill_wind |
Sep-28-11 10:51 PM |
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so is the position of this op |
griffi94 |
Sep-28-11 09:03 PM |
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"only reason"? Um, no. But the author is this piece is defending Melissa Harris-Perry. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-28-11 09:25 PM |
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yeah i read it |
griffi94 |
Sep-28-11 09:43 PM |
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Pres. Obama's support has been trending up in the last month, according to Gallup polls. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-28-11 09:53 PM |
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i never thought |
griffi94 |
Sep-28-11 10:03 PM |
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K&R |
wndycty |
Sep-28-11 09:33 PM |
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Recd...but at zero.... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-28-11 09:35 PM |
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+1trillion....K&R ClarkUSA |
rury |
Sep-28-11 10:13 PM |
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I don't find either this piece, nor the original piece being defended, all that great |
dsc |
Sep-28-11 10:14 PM |
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unrec |
RetroLounge |
Sep-28-11 10:56 PM |
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"...the white Leftist elite class would have gone apeshit on the asses..." |
WorseBeforeBetter |
Sep-28-11 11:10 PM |
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So you're going to discount the author's entire essay because of an apt 12-word urban colliquialism? |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-29-11 01:35 AM |
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Any excuse will do . . . |
EffieBlack |
Sep-29-11 01:39 PM |
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Wow, this is what you've been reduced to using as a source, a form of validation |
MadHound |
Sep-29-11 07:56 AM |
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Our good Centrists hold those positions b/c they are trying to help black people. |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-11 04:09 PM |
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Thanks for this information, and thanks for the headsup about TPV. |
Tarheel_Dem |
Sep-29-11 09:41 AM |
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In total, definitive agreement |
frazzled |
Sep-29-11 01:00 PM |
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Where's the outrage? |
EffieBlack |
Sep-29-11 01:47 PM |
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Sirota should just apologize and leap into the 21st Century. |
Major Hogwash |
Sep-30-11 03:49 PM |
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Sep-30-11 04:00 PM |
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The author has an interesting point about elitist liberals. |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-11 05:07 PM |
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Your attempts to ridicule every OP that addresses the attacks on Melissa Harris-Perry are duly noted |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-30-11 05:44 PM |
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Note that I think Liberals DESERVED being called racists just like she believes. |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-11 05:52 PM |
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That's a strawman argument. Melissa Harris-Perry never said that. Keep digging. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-30-11 05:55 PM |
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I agree with whatever she said, and whatever Obama says too. |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-11 05:57 PM |
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Yawn. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-30-11 06:02 PM |
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Hey, if you say she never said those Liberals were racist, I'll believe you. |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-11 06:04 PM |
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Why do you keep mocking Melissa Harris-Perry? Did she hit a nerve? |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-30-11 06:09 PM |
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Hit a nerve? Hell no. I love it when liberals get exposed as the racists they really are. |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-11 06:18 PM |
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Why do you say that? |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-30-11 06:44 PM |
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B/c anyone who does not want to be called a racist is probably a racist. |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-11 11:36 PM |
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"it's in all the psychology books." Really? Give us some linked quotes, then. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-30-11 11:59 PM |
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LOL...don't bother |
Bobbie Jo |
Oct-01-11 01:32 PM |
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"Reprinted with permission from the author." |
rug |
Sep-30-11 05:48 PM |
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My first reaction too |
Mr Deltoid |
Sep-30-11 06:43 PM |
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The author is a member here. |
Puglover |
Sep-30-11 07:21 PM |
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That's because he has his own website to occupy his spare time & friends like me to do that for him. |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-01-11 12:13 AM |
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