| 174. MARRY ME!!! +1,000,000,000!!! n/t |
| -OH DAMN: Melissa Harris Perry re: Joan Walsh's comment "We are not friends." |
wndycty |
Sep-26-11 11:19 AM |
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Wow. I'm heading to the link now.... |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-26-11 11:28 AM |
#1 |
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Apples. Oranges. |
Jakes Progress |
Sep-27-11 09:37 PM |
#175 |
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Are you posting in response to me? |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-27-11 10:24 PM |
#178 |
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It was a reply to your post. It was not |
Jakes Progress |
Sep-28-11 08:28 AM |
#189 |
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It may be easier for you to peruse the posts below, as I commented frequently.... |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-28-11 09:03 AM |
#190 |
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Thank you for a reasoned reply. |
Jakes Progress |
Sep-28-11 11:37 AM |
#196 |
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Thank you... |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-28-11 11:57 AM |
#197 |
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ouch |
grasswire |
Sep-26-11 11:28 AM |
#2 |
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Wow... |
hlthe2b |
Sep-26-11 11:29 AM |
#3 |
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It's worth reading her article at the link... |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-26-11 11:35 AM |
#4 |
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I did.... And to suggest Clinton got a pass, while Obama is not... |
hlthe2b |
Sep-26-11 12:07 PM |
#25 |
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Several things... |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-26-11 12:13 PM |
#28 |
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I think we are in broad agreement... |
hlthe2b |
Sep-26-11 12:18 PM |
#34 |
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I don't think that's what she's saying at all |
Empowerer |
Sep-26-11 11:48 AM |
#13 |
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Not that I expect you to understand |
Hutzpa |
Sep-26-11 12:07 PM |
#26 |
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Starting off a post to me "not that I expect you to understand" |
hlthe2b |
Sep-26-11 12:15 PM |
#29 |
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Ok, point taken point made |
Hutzpa |
Sep-26-11 12:21 PM |
#37 |
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thank you for recognizing that and replying.. |
hlthe2b |
Sep-26-11 12:22 PM |
#39 |
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Only Centrists consider Clinton to be 'one of the |
alsame |
Sep-26-11 12:52 PM |
#55 |
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Yes, you have mis-interpreted her point ... |
1StrongBlackMan |
Sep-26-11 09:54 PM |
#134 |
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That is absolutely NOT what I am doing... |
hlthe2b |
Sep-27-11 12:34 AM |
#157 |
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What is it about some DUers ... |
1StrongBlackMan |
Sep-27-11 09:52 PM |
#176 |
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Wow - this is exactly the point I was trying to make in my OP in another thread |
Empowerer |
Sep-26-11 11:37 AM |
#5 |
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I wonder if and how Joan Walsh will respond |
wndycty |
Sep-26-11 11:39 AM |
#6 |
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That really is a key point. I'm still reading, but this passage... |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-26-11 11:41 AM |
#8 |
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people say "my friend" in public life a lot |
Enrique |
Sep-26-11 11:39 AM |
#7 |
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That's the only part of what Melissa said that I disagree with.... |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-26-11 11:52 AM |
#16 |
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It was petty. And she basically called Joan a racist. I don't agree with that. |
boston bean |
Sep-26-11 12:05 PM |
#22 |
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I'm with Harris-Perry on this. I took Joan Walsh's comment literally. |
vaberella |
Sep-26-11 03:21 PM |
#94 |
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An awesome blog. nt |
thereismore |
Sep-26-11 11:42 AM |
#9 |
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I love that she called Joan Walsh to the carpet. Friends are different from social colleagues. Why |
Pisces |
Sep-26-11 11:42 AM |
#10 |
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I think it's really helpful to read both pieces that led to what Perry wrote here... |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-26-11 11:56 AM |
#19 |
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Joan probably won't reply. I probably wouldn't. There is no place to go, once someone |
boston bean |
Sep-26-11 12:13 PM |
#27 |
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She apologized, I updated the OP to reflect that |
wndycty |
Sep-26-11 12:16 PM |
#30 |
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Walsh apologized for calling Melissa a friend, and that settle it? nt |
boston bean |
Sep-26-11 12:18 PM |
#32 |
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She'll know better next time. |
Supersedeas |
Sep-27-11 03:44 PM |
#166 |
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I'm hoping they both have the emotional wherewithal to move beyond it... |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-26-11 12:17 PM |
#31 |
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I hope they don't and dialogue . . . I trust both will approach it constructively |
wndycty |
Sep-26-11 12:18 PM |
#33 |
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If someone thinks you are a racist, what conversation is there to be had. |
boston bean |
Sep-26-11 12:20 PM |
#35 |
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I simply disagree |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-26-11 12:28 PM |
#41 |
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I completely agree with that assessment too |
Hutzpa |
Sep-26-11 12:45 PM |
#51 |
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I don't think its about Walsh defending herself, its about Walsh and Perry having a diaglogue |
wndycty |
Sep-26-11 12:47 PM |
#52 |
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Joan should defend herself, from what the racism accusation? |
boston bean |
Sep-26-11 12:48 PM |
#53 |
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MHP did not intimates Joan is a racist |
Hutzpa |
Sep-26-11 12:52 PM |
#56 |
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I have always understood, the i have black friends, to be a cover for being a racist. |
boston bean |
Sep-26-11 12:55 PM |
#57 |
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I don't see it that way at all |
Empowerer |
Sep-26-11 01:41 PM |
#70 |
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Same thing. If a white person says they have black friends they are laughed at, and |
boston bean |
Sep-26-11 01:44 PM |
#71 |
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No we are NOT saying the same thing |
Empowerer |
Sep-26-11 01:56 PM |
#76 |
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Yes, we are. Bias against what? |
boston bean |
Sep-26-11 02:29 PM |
#81 |
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I suggest ... |
1StrongBlackMan |
Sep-26-11 10:30 PM |
#141 |
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I think you're trying to use |
Hutzpa |
Sep-26-11 01:58 PM |
#77 |
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wow, the mine fields that we tread upon even when using terms of endearment |
Supersedeas |
Sep-27-11 02:45 PM |
#163 |
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I don't think MHP called JW a racist |
fishwax |
Sep-26-11 10:18 PM |
#136 |
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Well said! |
EffieBlack |
Sep-26-11 10:22 PM |
#139 |
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no, she said Walsh used it to |
boston bean |
Sep-27-11 08:02 AM |
#160 |
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I've read the words. I don't find the difference as significant as you do. |
fishwax |
Sep-27-11 10:01 AM |
#161 |
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Interesting... |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-28-11 09:17 AM |
#191 |
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Something to think about ... Or not ... |
1StrongBlackMan |
Sep-26-11 10:19 PM |
#137 |
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it has a nice tautological ring of non-falsifiability to it...doesn't it |
Supersedeas |
Sep-26-11 10:54 PM |
#147 |
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Huh???? |
1StrongBlackMan |
Sep-27-11 11:59 PM |
#184 |
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and we "white" people can not begin to understand the whole |
a kennedy |
Sep-26-11 06:16 PM |
#116 |
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If that was not meant to be sarcastic ... |
1StrongBlackMan |
Sep-26-11 10:51 PM |
#146 |
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She's so well written |
JustAnotherGen |
Sep-26-11 11:43 AM |
#11 |
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It's a shame to see this back and forth between them |
Cali_Democrat |
Sep-26-11 11:48 AM |
#12 |
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Maybe it does. . .hopefully Walsh will respond in a constructive manner. . . |
wndycty |
Sep-26-11 11:49 AM |
#15 |
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It absolutely exists. My white uncle voted Democratic in every election of his life, until Obama. |
Zen Democrat |
Sep-26-11 11:48 AM |
#14 |
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I always point out that Obama is also half white. You can see the lights turn on... |
Frustratedlady |
Sep-26-11 12:26 PM |
#40 |
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But this is about white liberals ABANDONING Obama. Your uncle was never on board, |
seaglass |
Sep-26-11 12:32 PM |
#44 |
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Then he's not one of the ones who's "abandoned" the president |
Doctor_J |
Sep-26-11 12:32 PM |
#45 |
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Note that your uncle did not vote for Obama in 2008. The racists already showed their cards. |
yardwork |
Sep-26-11 07:36 PM |
#121 |
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From a Black Perspective |
Cigar11 |
Sep-26-11 11:52 AM |
#17 |
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Welcome to DU cigar |
wndycty |
Sep-26-11 11:54 AM |
#18 |
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It absolutely does, but liberals current treatment of Obama isn't exemplary of it. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-26-11 12:05 PM |
#21 |
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Welcome, and I couldn't agree more.... |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-26-11 12:06 PM |
#24 |
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thank you. I was going to write a long list of crap but why bother. |
okieinpain |
Sep-26-11 12:56 PM |
#58 |
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'Racism still exists' is not the issue |
Mr Deltoid |
Sep-26-11 01:29 PM |
#66 |
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But that's the point: Many of us... |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-27-11 10:44 PM |
#181 |
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Amen. I live in New York City---Harlem---and every day I prepare myself for racism. |
vaberella |
Sep-26-11 03:22 PM |
#95 |
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Thank you Cigar11.... |
a kennedy |
Sep-26-11 06:20 PM |
#118 |
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wow, she took Walsh's words about their professional friendship like that? |
boston bean |
Sep-26-11 11:56 AM |
#20 |
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Then I have far fewer friends than I thought I did. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-26-11 12:06 PM |
#23 |
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I can understand why you have a problem w/Prof Perry's response regarding the "friendship" |
Empowerer |
Sep-26-11 12:28 PM |
#42 |
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Yeah Joan Walsh meant to say, I have black friends so I am not a racist? |
boston bean |
Sep-26-11 12:43 PM |
#49 |
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What is with this obsession with turning every discussion about bias, prejudice and sensitivity into |
Empowerer |
Sep-26-11 01:48 PM |
#73 |
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"Intimating someone like Joan Walsh a racist is completely out of bounds." |
CakeGrrl |
Sep-26-11 01:52 PM |
#74 |
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And no one "intimated" that she was a racist |
Empowerer |
Sep-26-11 01:55 PM |
#75 |
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...deploy our professional familiarity as a shield against claims of her own bias is very troubling. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-26-11 02:11 PM |
#79 |
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Bias does not equal racism |
Empowerer |
Sep-26-11 02:17 PM |
#80 |
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I am glad I am so interesting to you. Are you bias? and what is your racial bias? |
boston bean |
Sep-26-11 02:31 PM |
#82 |
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I have all kinds of prejudices, as do most human beings |
Empowerer |
Sep-26-11 02:39 PM |
#84 |
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That is for you to do. Melissa Perry did not do that. She made an accusation of it. |
boston bean |
Sep-26-11 02:47 PM |
#86 |
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Trust me - if I wanted to call you a racist, I'd just call you one |
Empowerer |
Sep-26-11 02:53 PM |
#87 |
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There is no morphing. There is little distinction between racial bias and racism. |
boston bean |
Sep-26-11 02:55 PM |
#88 |
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Introspection. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-26-11 02:33 PM |
#83 |
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That's very interesting |
Empowerer |
Sep-26-11 02:46 PM |
#85 |
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Maybe if MHP had not humiliated her in PUBLIC it wouldn't have been a insult. |
Little Star |
Sep-26-11 04:47 PM |
#106 |
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I have much more concern for Joan's feelings because MHP is the one... |
Little Star |
Sep-26-11 04:34 PM |
#104 |
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Or perhaps Walsh simply overestimated the value of "a few meals" with her. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-26-11 02:04 PM |
#78 |
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Maybe ... |
1StrongBlackMan |
Sep-26-11 10:39 PM |
#143 |
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You're right. Perspective (and perception) are everything... |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-27-11 07:53 AM |
#159 |
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"Yet it did strike me as odd, even mean-spirited." WHY? |
Karenina |
Sep-27-11 04:49 PM |
#168 |
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No, and that was my point, Karenina... |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-27-11 05:43 PM |
#171 |
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And that ... |
1StrongBlackMan |
Sep-27-11 09:01 PM |
#173 |
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AMEN! Thank you OneGrassRoot!!! |
Karenina |
Sep-28-11 03:54 AM |
#186 |
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... |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-28-11 09:23 AM |
#192 |
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Another truth that can set you free? |
Supersedeas |
Sep-27-11 03:25 PM |
#165 |
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I feel the loss of some more keenly than others. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-27-11 04:24 PM |
#167 |
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That's not a friend. I don't know where this professional friends BS comes from. |
vaberella |
Sep-26-11 03:24 PM |
#96 |
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Compare how they each describe their relationship: |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-26-11 10:03 PM |
#135 |
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Drawing a clear line in the sand |
Supersedeas |
Sep-27-11 01:50 PM |
#162 |
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professional friends bs? |
Supersedeas |
Sep-28-11 10:26 AM |
#193 |
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"I make it a practice not to defend my public writings" |
Enrique |
Sep-26-11 12:21 PM |
#36 |
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Letter from Birmingham Jail. Nice eye. Hard to guess. |
chill_wind |
Sep-26-11 08:46 PM |
#123 |
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Good catch! I wonder if it was deliberate or subconscious too. |
polichick |
Sep-26-11 09:54 PM |
#133 |
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Well that was taken wildly out of context |
Prism |
Sep-26-11 12:21 PM |
#38 |
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Well said, Prism. I only disagree with the very last sentence.... |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-26-11 12:30 PM |
#43 |
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They're both very intelligent women |
Prism |
Sep-26-11 12:36 PM |
#46 |
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You should read their Facebook walls. LOL n/t |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-26-11 12:45 PM |
#50 |
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Looks like the circular firing squad has now ascended to the punditry |
Mr Deltoid |
Sep-26-11 12:37 PM |
#47 |
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Perry is spot-on. Walsh did overreach with her "I have black friends" strategy of argument. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-26-11 12:42 PM |
#48 |
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I disagree. |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-26-11 12:48 PM |
#54 |
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I respect your opinion but I stand by what I said. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-26-11 01:00 PM |
#59 |
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Okay |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-26-11 01:09 PM |
#60 |
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Anyone you work with is a colleague. |
emcguffie |
Sep-26-11 03:04 PM |
#91 |
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Melissa went off the fucking deep. She can't write something like that... |
xultar |
Sep-26-11 01:13 PM |
#61 |
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;) |
wndycty |
Sep-26-11 01:15 PM |
#62 |
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Y U so crazy? Rofl. I just saw u a sec ago! |
xultar |
Sep-26-11 01:36 PM |
#67 |
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Xultar... haven't seen you in eons... |
hlthe2b |
Sep-26-11 01:16 PM |
#63 |
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xoxoxo |
xultar |
Sep-26-11 01:37 PM |
#68 |
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When all you have is a hammer, every problem you encounter looks like a nail |
MadHound |
Sep-26-11 01:17 PM |
#64 |
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Bingo!!! |
Beacool |
Sep-26-11 01:46 PM |
#72 |
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I agree MadHound except it started with her mouth about... |
Little Star |
Sep-26-11 04:42 PM |
#105 |
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Started with her mouth? Are you calling her uppity? Seriously dude/dudette. . . |
wndycty |
Sep-26-11 05:14 PM |
#108 |
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pffftttt |
Little Star |
Sep-26-11 05:45 PM |
#113 |
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She disagreed with Oprah and Michelle so she needs to sit down and shut up? |
Empowerer |
Sep-26-11 05:31 PM |
#111 |
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She thought she spoke for all black women and was embarrassed |
Little Star |
Sep-26-11 05:50 PM |
#114 |
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You know what she was thinking? And you know that she thought she was speaking for all black women? |
EffieBlack |
Sep-26-11 10:30 PM |
#142 |
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"She just needs to sit down and shut up for a while and get herself some help." |
fishwax |
Sep-26-11 10:26 PM |
#140 |
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"sit down and shut up" |
tammywammy |
Sep-26-11 11:24 PM |
#154 |
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she certainly didn't give much credance to the political side of this |
Supersedeas |
Sep-28-11 11:23 AM |
#195 |
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i.e. "I don't drink with you" |
Enrique |
Sep-26-11 01:19 PM |
#65 |
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Perfect! |
yardwork |
Sep-26-11 07:37 PM |
#122 |
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IMHO..... |
Little Star |
Sep-26-11 01:38 PM |
#69 |
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I don't think this is a question of anger management on MHP's part. |
COLGATE4 |
Sep-26-11 03:20 PM |
#93 |
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I'm sorry but I see it as a deep held anger. Snark is way to mild for |
Little Star |
Sep-26-11 04:22 PM |
#102 |
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She went off on the film "The Help" recently too... |
polichick |
Sep-26-11 09:13 PM |
#127 |
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Ms. Harris-Perry needs to take a chill pill. |
Vinca |
Sep-26-11 02:57 PM |
#89 |
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Oh brother |
wndycty |
Sep-26-11 03:01 PM |
#90 |
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I'm with you. n/t |
vaberella |
Sep-26-11 03:25 PM |
#97 |
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Yeah...who the hell does she think she is, speaking her mind and all. |
Bobbie Jo |
Sep-26-11 03:18 PM |
#92 |
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You wouldn't be suggesting that she "sit down and shut up", would you? |
CakeGrrl |
Sep-26-11 03:34 PM |
#99 |
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People are turning themselves inside out on this... |
These Eyes |
Sep-26-11 04:12 PM |
#100 |
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If you're a liberal Democrat and white, you, too, may be considered a racist. |
Vinca |
Sep-26-11 04:27 PM |
#103 |
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That has never been the meme... |
These Eyes |
Sep-26-11 05:41 PM |
#112 |
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And this is the reason I'm taking issue as well. |
CakeGrrl |
Sep-26-11 11:18 PM |
#151 |
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What you said. n/t |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-27-11 10:45 PM |
#182 |
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who is saying "Obama 100% or you're a racist"? |
fishwax |
Sep-28-11 11:00 AM |
#194 |
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No, I'm not. I'm suggesting she be a bit more civil to people. |
Vinca |
Sep-26-11 04:22 PM |
#101 |
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LOL - that's ridiculous! |
polichick |
Sep-26-11 09:08 PM |
#126 |
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Oops, you're right! That was way back up there at post 105. |
CakeGrrl |
Sep-26-11 11:07 PM |
#150 |
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Now you've done it, you racist you! |
polichick |
Sep-26-11 09:07 PM |
#125 |
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big rec. |
Whisp |
Sep-26-11 03:29 PM |
#98 |
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Here's a perfect example of Perry's point |
ProSense |
Sep-26-11 05:01 PM |
#107 |
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I don't remember Clinton's liberal rhetoric |
Enrique |
Sep-26-11 05:21 PM |
#109 |
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Well |
ProSense |
Sep-26-11 05:23 PM |
#110 |
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That's kind of rude of Perry. Pols and pundits often say that as a |
Phx_Dem |
Sep-26-11 05:56 PM |
#115 |
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Obama was elected because he was not Bush |
Marnie |
Sep-26-11 06:17 PM |
#117 |
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I'm white & was an early supporter of Obama. I did NOT vote for him because he wasn't Bush r McCain |
Honeycombe8 |
Sep-26-11 07:25 PM |
#119 |
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So you'd be saying that of any white Democrat? |
treestar |
Sep-26-11 09:20 PM |
#130 |
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Whoa. Perry's pretty rude, huh? Something must have really gotten to her. nt |
Honeycombe8 |
Sep-26-11 07:27 PM |
#120 |
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I'm more inclined to hold this rebuttal against Perry than Walsh. |
Chan790 |
Sep-26-11 09:00 PM |
#124 |
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Agree and believe this hurts Perry professionally more than Walsh. |
kiranon |
Sep-27-11 03:17 PM |
#164 |
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I'm liking MHP more and more every day. |
Number23 |
Sep-26-11 09:14 PM |
#128 |
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I just read through this thread. Don't know why I did. |
Number23 |
Sep-26-11 09:17 PM |
#129 |
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Why can't some white people ... |
1StrongBlackMan |
Sep-26-11 10:59 PM |
#148 |
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And these folks don't seem to recognize the absurdity of |
EffieBlack |
Sep-26-11 11:06 PM |
#149 |
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+1 |
young but wise |
Sep-27-11 07:00 AM |
#158 |
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There are more on this thread who act like arbiters than I would have expected |
Mimosa |
Sep-27-11 05:26 PM |
#169 |
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I agree ... |
1StrongBlackMan |
Sep-27-11 08:54 PM |
#172 |
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MARRY ME!!! +1,000,000,000!!! n/t |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Sep-27-11 09:02 PM |
#174 |
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Get in line!!! |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-27-11 10:27 PM |
#179 |
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We think alike. ;) |
Mimosa |
Sep-27-11 09:59 PM |
#177 |
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I make my young political science studies watch "Network" every semester. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Sep-27-11 10:48 PM |
#183 |
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+1 n/t |
tammywammy |
Sep-26-11 11:22 PM |
#152 |
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Melissa Hariss-Petty |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-26-11 09:31 PM |
#131 |
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"Black clergy vow: No gay marriage in N.C." |
WorseBeforeBetter |
Sep-26-11 11:24 PM |
#153 |
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I thought you liked her assessment of the Prop 8 decision. I thought you said... |
These Eyes |
Sep-26-11 11:27 PM |
#155 |
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I think Dr. Harris-Perry has mishandled this one. |
John Agar |
Sep-26-11 09:38 PM |
#132 |
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Sad that it is coming to this. |
blueclown |
Sep-26-11 10:20 PM |
#138 |
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well you do realize Joan Walsh called her out |
wndycty |
Sep-26-11 10:44 PM |
#144 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Sep-26-11 10:48 PM |
#145 |
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This is more of a discussion of celebrity journalism |
swilton |
Sep-26-11 11:58 PM |
#156 |
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ITA! |
Mimosa |
Sep-27-11 05:27 PM |
#170 |
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If anyone is serious about having an ongoing discussion about racism and bigotry... |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-27-11 10:38 PM |
#180 |
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Count This Black Man In! n/t |
1StrongBlackMan |
Sep-28-11 12:06 AM |
#185 |
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Yay! Thanks. :) n/t |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-28-11 05:54 AM |
#188 |
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I think Perry in at least one place is arguing with a straw man. Most of the criticisms of her piece |
BzaDem |
Sep-28-11 04:46 AM |
#187 |
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Wow, tries changing the story right off... |
iamthebandfanman |
Sep-28-11 12:17 PM |
#198 |
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