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119. Do you disagree with Prof. Kennedy's take?

"Mr. Kennedy is, deep down, an admirer of the presidents. (Mr. Obama, a Harvard Law graduate, signed up for, but did not ultimately take, one of Mr. Kennedys courses.) When he lists the many things black people love best about the president, its apparent that hes speaking for himself as well. Among these reasons: Mr. Obama identifies himself as black, when he could have, like Tiger Woods, spoken of himself as mixed race; he married a black woman, while other powerful black men often marry white ones; he is dignified, the most well-spoken, informed, gracious, cosmopolitan, agile, and thoughtful politician on the American political landscape.

Mr. Kennedy observes, In the hearts and minds of most black Americans indeed, the overwhelming mass of African-Americans Barack Obama is the most admired person in the canon of black celebrity and accomplishment, surpassing Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Booker T. Washington, W. E. B. Du Bois, Jackie Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Rosa Parks, Thurgood Marshall and even Martin Luther King Jr. "
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  -"The controversy around Obama is not about race." Responses to the Melissa Harris article. Better Believe It  Sep-23-11 12:09 PM   #0 
  - Isn't this a call out and/or continuation of another ongoing discussion?  Tarheel_Dem   Sep-23-11 12:12 PM   #1 
  - No  Cali_Democrat   Sep-24-11 12:03 AM   #72 
     - Of course it is, Cali! Stop the bullshit!  Liberal_Stalwart71   Sep-26-11 11:33 PM   #149 
  - I think that many of us became Obama supporters in 2008  hfojvt   Sep-23-11 12:18 PM   #2 
  - Ok... Should I care that posters don't agree with her?  BklnDem75   Sep-23-11 12:22 PM   #3 
  - "Why not post responses from DU? " Done! Your response is posted in this string along with others.  Better Believe It   Sep-23-11 12:35 PM   #8 
     - I'm talking about a thread  BklnDem75   Sep-23-11 12:49 PM   #12 
     - lol  Mr Deltoid   Sep-23-11 01:52 PM   #37 
  - K&R Re: Naomi Klein comment in OP: she rocks.  Mimosa   Sep-23-11 12:25 PM   #4 
  - I think it doesn't get any more thruthful, respectfully civil  chill_wind   Sep-23-11 06:23 PM   #51 
  - The controversy about Obama is about policy and inaction rather than race.  avaistheone1   Sep-23-11 12:27 PM   #5 
  - .  avaistheone1   Sep-23-11 12:59 PM   #18 
  - False, false, false. You are completely wrong on this.  vaberella   Sep-23-11 11:27 PM   #69 
     - The OP wasn't about 'most Americans,' the focus is restricted to white progressives  Supersedeas   Sep-24-11 06:03 AM   #84 
        - I'm responding to a posters comment, not the OP.  vaberella   Sep-24-11 10:24 AM   #101 
        - And it's STILL bullshit because MHP *WAS NOT* either explicitly or implicitly  Liberal_Stalwart71   Sep-26-11 11:35 PM   #150 
  - Wow  ProSense   Sep-23-11 12:31 PM   #6 
  - "Some of my best friends are black people."  Robb   Sep-23-11 12:33 PM   #7 
  - Wow!  whatchamacallit   Sep-23-11 12:39 PM   #9 
  - You don't think it's a conversation worth having?  Robb   Sep-23-11 12:41 PM   #10 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-23-11 12:45 PM   #11 
     - I do  whatchamacallit   Sep-23-11 12:50 PM   #14 
     - I worked to put him in office, and I still think it bears examining.  Robb   Sep-23-11 12:52 PM   #15 
     - But you see Robb, I have an issue with calling others bigots  Bluenorthwest   Sep-23-11 01:15 PM   #25 
        - The biggest mistake *any* of us make  Robb   Sep-23-11 01:22 PM   #27 
           - but you see Robb, I said no such thing at all.  Bluenorthwest   Sep-23-11 01:52 PM   #35 
              - Heh. Well, If you truly believe dancing around the obvious subtext is substantively different  Robb   Sep-23-11 02:06 PM   #42 
                 - Whatever Robb  Bluenorthwest   Sep-23-11 02:18 PM   #43 
                    - Sounds fine to me. (nt)  Robb   Sep-23-11 02:24 PM   #44 
     - No one's denying that fact! The problem is dismissing ANY notion that  Liberal_Stalwart71   Sep-26-11 11:44 PM   #152 
     - I think it's worth discussing. n/t  vaberella   Sep-24-11 05:57 AM   #83 
  - My fav: "I'm not a bigot but marriage is for a man and a woman  Bluenorthwest   Sep-23-11 12:50 PM   #13 
  - I haven't seen the responses at the Nation  whatchamacallit   Sep-23-11 12:55 PM   #16 
  - No problem; as I read it again I was unclear.  Robb   Sep-23-11 12:57 PM   #17 
  - bleh  Union Scribe   Sep-23-11 01:04 PM   #20 
  - So no one who objects to be cast as a bigot is a bigot?  Robb   Sep-23-11 01:06 PM   #21 
     - How convenient.  Union Scribe   Sep-23-11 01:08 PM   #22 
        - Not hardly.  Robb   Sep-23-11 01:08 PM   #23 
        - The idea that white critics hate Obama because he's black  Union Scribe   Sep-23-11 01:12 PM   #24 
           - Talk  ProSense   Sep-23-11 01:23 PM   #28 
           - Okay, let me agree on that guy.  Union Scribe   Sep-23-11 01:35 PM   #31 
              - Well  ProSense   Sep-23-11 01:51 PM   #34 
                 - I honestly  Union Scribe   Sep-23-11 02:01 PM   #39 
           - And yet we discuss it at length.  Robb   Sep-23-11 01:24 PM   #29 
        - No.  jefferson_dem   Sep-23-11 01:38 PM   #33 
  - Exactly. And I'm particularly fond of the comments from "proud civil rights warriors"  Number23   Sep-23-11 06:27 PM   #54 
  - you are dissing it based on the RESPONSES???  Skittles   Sep-24-11 10:38 PM   #134 
  - Triple wow.  avaistheone1   Sep-23-11 01:00 PM   #19 
  - You can argue all you want  treestar   Sep-23-11 01:19 PM   #26 
  - I've said before: It's too bad we don't have archives from the Clinton era  CakeGrrl   Sep-23-11 01:26 PM   #30 
  - Exactly - all of those things should have gotten Clinton  treestar   Sep-23-11 01:52 PM   #36 
  - some of the substance and specifics that MHP could have include to support her accusation  Supersedeas   Sep-27-11 02:50 PM   #158 
  - prove clinton WOULDN'T have received as much crap if the internet were as widely available then  frylock   Sep-23-11 02:48 PM   #46 
  - It was  treestar   Sep-23-11 03:24 PM   #49 
     - no kidding, hunh?  frylock   Sep-23-11 06:35 PM   #56 
  - Read a Michael Moore book from the Clinton era  Bjorn Against   Sep-24-11 09:39 AM   #96 
  - Why are Obama supporters so obsessed with Bill Clinton?  Mr Deltoid   Sep-25-11 08:44 PM   #145 
     - Because Clinton supporters are so obsessed with Obama.  Liberal_Stalwart71   Sep-26-11 11:49 PM   #153 
  - Some of my best friends are ...  jefferson_dem   Sep-23-11 01:37 PM   #32 
  - *yank* *yank*  Bobbie Jo   Sep-23-11 01:55 PM   #38 
  - Harris Perry comes right out and said it--white liberals are guilty of electoral racism  Supersedeas   Sep-23-11 02:03 PM   #40 
  - Unrec..  SidDithers   Sep-23-11 02:05 PM   #41 
  - "I'm not Black, but my Black friend said...."  Ikonoklast   Sep-23-11 02:28 PM   #45 
  - I am black and am going to rec this post  Dokkie   Sep-24-11 04:36 AM   #79 
     - Well  ProSense   Sep-24-11 08:05 AM   #89 
        - Hell to the yes. n/t  vaberella   Sep-24-11 11:25 AM   #108 
        - I'm going to rec it too.  Fuddnik   Sep-24-11 11:49 AM   #112 
        - very true  Dokkie   Sep-24-11 07:03 PM   #128 
        - I am a black woman who is very proud of her gay black father and fully support this president  Liberal_Stalwart71   Sep-26-11 11:55 PM   #154 
        - very true  Dokkie   Sep-24-11 07:03 PM   #129 
  - Recommended  Autumn   Sep-23-11 02:53 PM   #47 
  - I don't agree with many of Obama's policies but I like his skin color!  Better Believe It   Sep-23-11 06:02 PM   #50 
     - "authentic"  Bobbie Jo   Sep-23-11 06:41 PM   #57 
     - Awww, come on and admit it......  Fuddnik   Sep-24-11 11:54 AM   #114 
        - You can say that again.  Supersedeas   Sep-27-11 09:10 AM   #157 
  - Odd that racism can't be discussed rationally.  jaxx   Sep-23-11 02:58 PM   #48 
  - Why, indeed?  Number23   Sep-23-11 06:52 PM   #60 
  - So do you also think that most male progressives who didn't support Hillary Clinton were sexists?  Better Believe It   Sep-23-11 06:58 PM   #61 
  - That ain't really the damn point, now is it?  Number23   Sep-23-11 07:12 PM   #62 
     - So you also don't rule out that sexism could be behind a significant portion of progressive .......  Better Believe It   Sep-24-11 12:04 AM   #73 
        - When did Hillary become President in your universe? She never made it here.  ClarkUSA   Sep-24-11 01:20 AM   #76 
        - Please see the subject heading of post #62  Number23   Sep-24-11 01:48 AM   #77 
        - So you agree that the great majority of "Obama critics" are not racists. Is that right?  Better Believe It   Sep-24-11 10:03 AM   #100 
           - Stop distorting Number 23's words to build another lame strawman argument.  ClarkUSA   Sep-24-11 10:36 AM   #104 
           - Key word...  Bobbie Jo   Sep-24-11 11:24 AM   #107 
           - What will the OP do if he's not able to distort and twist the truth?  Number23   Sep-24-11 05:08 PM   #125 
           - If you have to try this hard to completely distort and lie about what I've written  Number23   Sep-24-11 05:01 PM   #124 
           - I haven't posted any "racist comments" as you claim. So quit playing the race card.  Better Believe It   Sep-24-11 11:06 PM   #136 
              - Oh Please...  Bobbie Jo   Sep-25-11 12:17 AM   #137 
              - Put me on ignore! I'd welcome that with open arms  Number23   Sep-25-11 12:49 AM   #138 
                 - You clearly prefer to engage in personal attacks against progressive DU'ers rather than civil debate  Better Believe It   Sep-25-11 04:04 PM   #140 
                    - "Your constant attacks gave me no choice but to put you on ignore"  Number23   Sep-25-11 04:49 PM   #142 
           - If the shoe don't fit, don't wear it.  melissaf   Sep-26-11 12:29 AM   #146 
        - How many of your posts start out with "So you"...  SidDithers   Sep-27-11 07:20 AM   #155 
  - +1000  EffieBlack   Sep-23-11 07:17 PM   #63 
  - The issue here isn't denial of racism... in general,  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-26-11 05:24 PM   #147 
  - What rational discussion?  Supersedeas   Sep-24-11 06:27 AM   #86 
     - I'm one of those 'progressive whities'.  jaxx   Sep-24-11 10:25 AM   #102 
        - I found MHP's follow-up discussion revealing  Supersedeas   Sep-26-11 11:31 PM   #148 
  - Oh my GOD  Number23   Sep-23-11 06:25 PM   #52 
  - I think that's one of the issues with the right.  bigwillq   Sep-23-11 06:26 PM   #53 
  - I've just read the majority comments on this piece  Number23   Sep-23-11 06:32 PM   #55 
  - Of post even touches directly on Race...but oh right.."race actually plays no role"  vaberella   Sep-23-11 11:13 PM   #68 
  - I didn't abandon the WH:  blkmusclmachine   Sep-23-11 06:43 PM   #58 
  - If you think you were singled out, how important are you?  jaxx   Sep-23-11 06:51 PM   #59 
     - Don't have to be singled out  Mr Deltoid   Sep-23-11 08:00 PM   #65 
        - We're all left of center right.  jaxx   Sep-23-11 08:01 PM   #66 
  - Happy to unrecc this bullshit!! n/t  Liberal_Stalwart71   Sep-23-11 07:38 PM   #64 
  - Ditto. n/t  vaberella   Sep-23-11 11:28 PM   #70 
  - Why are you posting this here? One of the ones you posted is utterly insulting.  vaberella   Sep-23-11 11:12 PM   #67 
  - Even more disturbing....  Bobbie Jo   Sep-24-11 12:05 AM   #74 
     - Exactly. S/he put it in BOLD--suggesting it's a favorite one. I'm ALERTING this thread. n/t  vaberella   Sep-24-11 05:45 AM   #81 
        - Do you disagree with Prof. Kennedy's take?  seaglass   Sep-24-11 12:37 PM   #119 
  - Believe me when I say IT"S ABOUT RACE!!!!!  rury   Sep-24-11 12:02 AM   #71 
  - ...allowed to be mediocre. So, demanding more than mediocre  Supersedeas   Sep-24-11 06:35 AM   #87 
  - I accidentally recced this piece of garbage OP when I meant to  rury   Sep-24-11 12:05 AM   #75 
  - I think some people may have assumed him to be more left than he is in part because he is black  Douglas Carpenter   Sep-24-11 03:30 AM   #78 
  - Are you trying to tell me that people assume he's Left because he's Black?  vaberella   Sep-24-11 05:45 AM   #80 
     - obviously you are right about the stereotype being completely off base  Douglas Carpenter   Sep-24-11 06:16 AM   #85 
        - Actually no...  vaberella   Sep-24-11 08:06 AM   #90 
  - Even Melissa Harris-Perry gets it wrong once in a while.  polichick   Sep-24-11 05:54 AM   #82 
  - She is not wrong.  ProSense   Sep-24-11 08:26 AM   #93 
     - You're entitled to your opinion - and you haven't changed mine.  polichick   Sep-25-11 04:18 PM   #141 
  - Here is what pisses this White Liberal off about Obama  boomerbust   Sep-24-11 07:43 AM   #88 
  - False. Wisconsin union fighters spefically said they did not want Obama involved.  vaberella   Sep-24-11 08:11 AM   #91 
     - Fine  boomerbust   Sep-24-11 08:27 AM   #94 
     - Wisconsin  ProSense   Sep-24-11 08:34 AM   #95 
     - I remember Obama literally BEGGING people not to sit on their laurels  Liberal_Stalwart71   Sep-26-11 11:38 PM   #151 
     - I was in Madison and many union fighters did want Obama there  Bjorn Against   Sep-24-11 09:47 AM   #98 
        - Actually a large number did not based on the those who came on Ed's show.  vaberella   Sep-24-11 10:02 AM   #99 
           - I never said that there were not many people who did not, I said there were many who did  Bjorn Against   Sep-24-11 11:41 AM   #111 
              - Actually...let's think on this.  vaberella   Sep-24-11 12:10 PM   #117 
                 - Two words to prove my point about how the system is set up to benefit people like Walker:  Bjorn Against   Sep-24-11 12:24 PM   #118 
                    - Again, proven wrong in 2006. n/t  vaberella   Sep-24-11 12:52 PM   #120 
                       - Get your facts straight, Citizen's United did not exist in 2006  Bjorn Against   Sep-24-11 01:02 PM   #121 
  - The fucking blind keep leading the blind.  JTFrog   Sep-24-11 08:13 AM   #92 
  - Harris finishes her article with:  Puglover   Sep-24-11 09:42 AM   #97 
  - They want to be pissed? Get pissed at an obstructionist Congress.  Akoto   Sep-24-11 10:30 AM   #103 
  - WTF?? "white lefties... don't feel any racial bond to Obama like black lefties do"  ClarkUSA   Sep-24-11 10:49 AM   #105 
  - I thought it was insightful into the OP's way of thinking.  vaberella   Sep-24-11 11:26 AM   #109 
  - I'd agree. That's a really disgusting ignorant statement. Some of  chill_wind   Sep-24-11 12:06 PM   #116 
  - More right wing meme here about Obama's "weakness"  flamingdem   Sep-24-11 10:51 AM   #106 
  - It  ProSense   Sep-24-11 11:37 AM   #110 
  - I was stewing about this little brouhaha during the night and I wondered  Vinca   Sep-24-11 11:54 AM   #113 
  - Actually, black folk are accused all the time of supporting Barack Obama just because he's black  Empowerer   Sep-24-11 03:22 PM   #123 
     - visceral ownership is a complicated notion  Supersedeas   Sep-25-11 01:43 PM   #139 
  - Kick and Rec!  Fuddnik   Sep-24-11 12:03 PM   #115 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-24-11 01:51 PM   #122 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-24-11 06:31 PM   #126 
  - +1000  Fuddnik   Sep-24-11 06:41 PM   #127 
  - This post is so idiotic that I have to wonder what the hell you were even thinking  Number23   Sep-24-11 07:26 PM   #130 
     - +1000  Bobbie Jo   Sep-24-11 07:35 PM   #131 
     - Isn't it interesting that, until now, anybody w/a drop of black blood who called themselves black  Empowerer   Sep-24-11 09:46 PM   #132 
        - +1000  treestar   Sep-24-11 10:24 PM   #133 
        - Thank your aunt for me  Number23   Sep-24-11 10:41 PM   #135 
  - We sell ourselves short if we refuse to recognize  MerryBlooms   Sep-25-11 05:08 PM   #143 
  - in some cases she might be right  elana i am   Sep-25-11 05:24 PM   #144 
  - You pick this quote...  SidDithers   Sep-27-11 07:36 AM   #156 

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