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Fri Sep-23-11 01:19 PM
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| 26. You can argue all you want |
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Prove that Clinton got as much crap from the left. I don't recall it being a constant bashing from the left. The bashing was from the right.
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| -"The controversy around Obama is not about race." Responses to the Melissa Harris article. |
Better Believe It |
Sep-23-11 12:09 PM |
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Isn't this a call out and/or continuation of another ongoing discussion? |
Tarheel_Dem |
Sep-23-11 12:12 PM |
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No |
Cali_Democrat |
Sep-24-11 12:03 AM |
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Of course it is, Cali! Stop the bullshit! |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Sep-26-11 11:33 PM |
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I think that many of us became Obama supporters in 2008 |
hfojvt |
Sep-23-11 12:18 PM |
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Ok... Should I care that posters don't agree with her? |
BklnDem75 |
Sep-23-11 12:22 PM |
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"Why not post responses from DU? " Done! Your response is posted in this string along with others. |
Better Believe It |
Sep-23-11 12:35 PM |
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I'm talking about a thread |
BklnDem75 |
Sep-23-11 12:49 PM |
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lol |
Mr Deltoid |
Sep-23-11 01:52 PM |
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K&R Re: Naomi Klein comment in OP: she rocks. |
Mimosa |
Sep-23-11 12:25 PM |
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I think it doesn't get any more thruthful, respectfully civil |
chill_wind |
Sep-23-11 06:23 PM |
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The controversy about Obama is about policy and inaction rather than race. |
avaistheone1 |
Sep-23-11 12:27 PM |
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. |
avaistheone1 |
Sep-23-11 12:59 PM |
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False, false, false. You are completely wrong on this. |
vaberella |
Sep-23-11 11:27 PM |
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The OP wasn't about 'most Americans,' the focus is restricted to white progressives |
Supersedeas |
Sep-24-11 06:03 AM |
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I'm responding to a posters comment, not the OP. |
vaberella |
Sep-24-11 10:24 AM |
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And it's STILL bullshit because MHP *WAS NOT* either explicitly or implicitly |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Sep-26-11 11:35 PM |
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Wow |
ProSense |
Sep-23-11 12:31 PM |
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"Some of my best friends are black people." |
Robb |
Sep-23-11 12:33 PM |
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Wow! |
whatchamacallit |
Sep-23-11 12:39 PM |
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You don't think it's a conversation worth having? |
Robb |
Sep-23-11 12:41 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-23-11 12:45 PM |
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I do |
whatchamacallit |
Sep-23-11 12:50 PM |
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I worked to put him in office, and I still think it bears examining. |
Robb |
Sep-23-11 12:52 PM |
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But you see Robb, I have an issue with calling others bigots |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-23-11 01:15 PM |
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The biggest mistake *any* of us make |
Robb |
Sep-23-11 01:22 PM |
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but you see Robb, I said no such thing at all. |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-23-11 01:52 PM |
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Heh. Well, If you truly believe dancing around the obvious subtext is substantively different |
Robb |
Sep-23-11 02:06 PM |
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Whatever Robb |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-23-11 02:18 PM |
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Sounds fine to me. (nt) |
Robb |
Sep-23-11 02:24 PM |
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No one's denying that fact! The problem is dismissing ANY notion that |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Sep-26-11 11:44 PM |
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I think it's worth discussing. n/t |
vaberella |
Sep-24-11 05:57 AM |
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My fav: "I'm not a bigot but marriage is for a man and a woman |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-23-11 12:50 PM |
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I haven't seen the responses at the Nation |
whatchamacallit |
Sep-23-11 12:55 PM |
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No problem; as I read it again I was unclear. |
Robb |
Sep-23-11 12:57 PM |
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bleh |
Union Scribe |
Sep-23-11 01:04 PM |
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So no one who objects to be cast as a bigot is a bigot? |
Robb |
Sep-23-11 01:06 PM |
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How convenient. |
Union Scribe |
Sep-23-11 01:08 PM |
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Not hardly. |
Robb |
Sep-23-11 01:08 PM |
#23 |
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The idea that white critics hate Obama because he's black |
Union Scribe |
Sep-23-11 01:12 PM |
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Talk |
ProSense |
Sep-23-11 01:23 PM |
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Okay, let me agree on that guy. |
Union Scribe |
Sep-23-11 01:35 PM |
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Well |
ProSense |
Sep-23-11 01:51 PM |
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I honestly |
Union Scribe |
Sep-23-11 02:01 PM |
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And yet we discuss it at length. |
Robb |
Sep-23-11 01:24 PM |
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No. |
jefferson_dem |
Sep-23-11 01:38 PM |
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Exactly. And I'm particularly fond of the comments from "proud civil rights warriors" |
Number23 |
Sep-23-11 06:27 PM |
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you are dissing it based on the RESPONSES??? |
Skittles |
Sep-24-11 10:38 PM |
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Triple wow. |
avaistheone1 |
Sep-23-11 01:00 PM |
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You can argue all you want |
treestar |
Sep-23-11 01:19 PM |
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I've said before: It's too bad we don't have archives from the Clinton era |
CakeGrrl |
Sep-23-11 01:26 PM |
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Exactly - all of those things should have gotten Clinton |
treestar |
Sep-23-11 01:52 PM |
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some of the substance and specifics that MHP could have include to support her accusation |
Supersedeas |
Sep-27-11 02:50 PM |
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prove clinton WOULDN'T have received as much crap if the internet were as widely available then |
frylock |
Sep-23-11 02:48 PM |
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It was |
treestar |
Sep-23-11 03:24 PM |
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no kidding, hunh? |
frylock |
Sep-23-11 06:35 PM |
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Read a Michael Moore book from the Clinton era |
Bjorn Against |
Sep-24-11 09:39 AM |
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Why are Obama supporters so obsessed with Bill Clinton? |
Mr Deltoid |
Sep-25-11 08:44 PM |
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Because Clinton supporters are so obsessed with Obama. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Sep-26-11 11:49 PM |
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Some of my best friends are ... |
jefferson_dem |
Sep-23-11 01:37 PM |
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*yank* *yank* |
Bobbie Jo |
Sep-23-11 01:55 PM |
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Harris Perry comes right out and said it--white liberals are guilty of electoral racism |
Supersedeas |
Sep-23-11 02:03 PM |
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Unrec.. |
SidDithers |
Sep-23-11 02:05 PM |
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"I'm not Black, but my Black friend said...." |
Ikonoklast |
Sep-23-11 02:28 PM |
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I am black and am going to rec this post |
Dokkie |
Sep-24-11 04:36 AM |
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Well |
ProSense |
Sep-24-11 08:05 AM |
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Hell to the yes. n/t |
vaberella |
Sep-24-11 11:25 AM |
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I'm going to rec it too. |
Fuddnik |
Sep-24-11 11:49 AM |
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very true |
Dokkie |
Sep-24-11 07:03 PM |
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I am a black woman who is very proud of her gay black father and fully support this president |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Sep-26-11 11:55 PM |
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very true |
Dokkie |
Sep-24-11 07:03 PM |
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Recommended |
Autumn |
Sep-23-11 02:53 PM |
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I don't agree with many of Obama's policies but I like his skin color! |
Better Believe It |
Sep-23-11 06:02 PM |
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"authentic" |
Bobbie Jo |
Sep-23-11 06:41 PM |
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Awww, come on and admit it...... |
Fuddnik |
Sep-24-11 11:54 AM |
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You can say that again. |
Supersedeas |
Sep-27-11 09:10 AM |
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Odd that racism can't be discussed rationally. |
jaxx |
Sep-23-11 02:58 PM |
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Why, indeed? |
Number23 |
Sep-23-11 06:52 PM |
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So do you also think that most male progressives who didn't support Hillary Clinton were sexists? |
Better Believe It |
Sep-23-11 06:58 PM |
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That ain't really the damn point, now is it? |
Number23 |
Sep-23-11 07:12 PM |
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So you also don't rule out that sexism could be behind a significant portion of progressive ....... |
Better Believe It |
Sep-24-11 12:04 AM |
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When did Hillary become President in your universe? She never made it here. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-24-11 01:20 AM |
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Please see the subject heading of post #62 |
Number23 |
Sep-24-11 01:48 AM |
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So you agree that the great majority of "Obama critics" are not racists. Is that right? |
Better Believe It |
Sep-24-11 10:03 AM |
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Stop distorting Number 23's words to build another lame strawman argument. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-24-11 10:36 AM |
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Key word... |
Bobbie Jo |
Sep-24-11 11:24 AM |
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What will the OP do if he's not able to distort and twist the truth? |
Number23 |
Sep-24-11 05:08 PM |
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If you have to try this hard to completely distort and lie about what I've written |
Number23 |
Sep-24-11 05:01 PM |
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I haven't posted any "racist comments" as you claim. So quit playing the race card. |
Better Believe It |
Sep-24-11 11:06 PM |
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Oh Please... |
Bobbie Jo |
Sep-25-11 12:17 AM |
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Put me on ignore! I'd welcome that with open arms |
Number23 |
Sep-25-11 12:49 AM |
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You clearly prefer to engage in personal attacks against progressive DU'ers rather than civil debate |
Better Believe It |
Sep-25-11 04:04 PM |
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"Your constant attacks gave me no choice but to put you on ignore" |
Number23 |
Sep-25-11 04:49 PM |
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If the shoe don't fit, don't wear it. |
melissaf |
Sep-26-11 12:29 AM |
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How many of your posts start out with "So you"... |
SidDithers |
Sep-27-11 07:20 AM |
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+1000 |
EffieBlack |
Sep-23-11 07:17 PM |
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The issue here isn't denial of racism... in general, |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-26-11 05:24 PM |
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What rational discussion? |
Supersedeas |
Sep-24-11 06:27 AM |
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I'm one of those 'progressive whities'. |
jaxx |
Sep-24-11 10:25 AM |
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I found MHP's follow-up discussion revealing |
Supersedeas |
Sep-26-11 11:31 PM |
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Oh my GOD |
Number23 |
Sep-23-11 06:25 PM |
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I think that's one of the issues with the right. |
bigwillq |
Sep-23-11 06:26 PM |
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I've just read the majority comments on this piece |
Number23 |
Sep-23-11 06:32 PM |
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Of course...one post even touches directly on Race...but oh right.."race actually plays no role" |
vaberella |
Sep-23-11 11:13 PM |
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I didn't abandon the WH: |
blkmusclmachine |
Sep-23-11 06:43 PM |
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If you think you were singled out, how important are you? |
jaxx |
Sep-23-11 06:51 PM |
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Don't have to be singled out |
Mr Deltoid |
Sep-23-11 08:00 PM |
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We're all left of center right. |
jaxx |
Sep-23-11 08:01 PM |
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Happy to unrecc this bullshit!! n/t |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Sep-23-11 07:38 PM |
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Ditto. n/t |
vaberella |
Sep-23-11 11:28 PM |
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Why are you posting this here? One of the ones you posted is utterly insulting. |
vaberella |
Sep-23-11 11:12 PM |
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Even more disturbing.... |
Bobbie Jo |
Sep-24-11 12:05 AM |
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Exactly. S/he put it in BOLD--suggesting it's a favorite one. I'm ALERTING this thread. n/t |
vaberella |
Sep-24-11 05:45 AM |
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Do you disagree with Prof. Kennedy's take? |
seaglass |
Sep-24-11 12:37 PM |
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Believe me when I say IT"S ABOUT RACE!!!!! |
rury |
Sep-24-11 12:02 AM |
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...allowed to be mediocre. So, demanding more than mediocre |
Supersedeas |
Sep-24-11 06:35 AM |
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I accidentally recced this piece of garbage OP when I meant to |
rury |
Sep-24-11 12:05 AM |
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I think some people may have assumed him to be more left than he is in part because he is black |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-24-11 03:30 AM |
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Are you trying to tell me that people assume he's Left because he's Black? |
vaberella |
Sep-24-11 05:45 AM |
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obviously you are right about the stereotype being completely off base |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-24-11 06:16 AM |
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Actually no... |
vaberella |
Sep-24-11 08:06 AM |
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Even Melissa Harris-Perry gets it wrong once in a while. |
polichick |
Sep-24-11 05:54 AM |
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She is not wrong. |
ProSense |
Sep-24-11 08:26 AM |
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You're entitled to your opinion - and you haven't changed mine. |
polichick |
Sep-25-11 04:18 PM |
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Here is what pisses this White Liberal off about Obama |
boomerbust |
Sep-24-11 07:43 AM |
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False. Wisconsin union fighters spefically said they did not want Obama involved. |
vaberella |
Sep-24-11 08:11 AM |
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Fine |
boomerbust |
Sep-24-11 08:27 AM |
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Wisconsin |
ProSense |
Sep-24-11 08:34 AM |
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I remember Obama literally BEGGING people not to sit on their laurels |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Sep-26-11 11:38 PM |
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I was in Madison and many union fighters did want Obama there |
Bjorn Against |
Sep-24-11 09:47 AM |
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Actually a large number did not based on the those who came on Ed's show. |
vaberella |
Sep-24-11 10:02 AM |
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I never said that there were not many people who did not, I said there were many who did |
Bjorn Against |
Sep-24-11 11:41 AM |
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Actually...let's think on this. |
vaberella |
Sep-24-11 12:10 PM |
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Two words to prove my point about how the system is set up to benefit people like Walker: |
Bjorn Against |
Sep-24-11 12:24 PM |
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Again, proven wrong in 2006. n/t |
vaberella |
Sep-24-11 12:52 PM |
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Get your facts straight, Citizen's United did not exist in 2006 |
Bjorn Against |
Sep-24-11 01:02 PM |
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The fucking blind keep leading the blind. |
JTFrog |
Sep-24-11 08:13 AM |
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Harris finishes her article with: |
Puglover |
Sep-24-11 09:42 AM |
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They want to be pissed? Get pissed at an obstructionist Congress. |
Akoto |
Sep-24-11 10:30 AM |
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WTF?? "white lefties... don't feel any racial bond to Obama like black lefties do" |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-24-11 10:49 AM |
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I thought it was insightful into the OP's way of thinking. |
vaberella |
Sep-24-11 11:26 AM |
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I'd agree. That's a really disgusting ignorant statement. Some of |
chill_wind |
Sep-24-11 12:06 PM |
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More right wing meme here about Obama's "weakness" |
flamingdem |
Sep-24-11 10:51 AM |
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It |
ProSense |
Sep-24-11 11:37 AM |
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I was stewing about this little brouhaha during the night and I wondered |
Vinca |
Sep-24-11 11:54 AM |
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Actually, black folk are accused all the time of supporting Barack Obama just because he's black |
Empowerer |
Sep-24-11 03:22 PM |
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visceral ownership is a complicated notion |
Supersedeas |
Sep-25-11 01:43 PM |
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Kick and Rec! |
Fuddnik |
Sep-24-11 12:03 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Sep-24-11 01:51 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-24-11 06:31 PM |
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+1000 |
Fuddnik |
Sep-24-11 06:41 PM |
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This post is so idiotic that I have to wonder what the hell you were even thinking |
Number23 |
Sep-24-11 07:26 PM |
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+1000 |
Bobbie Jo |
Sep-24-11 07:35 PM |
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Isn't it interesting that, until now, anybody w/a drop of black blood who called themselves black |
Empowerer |
Sep-24-11 09:46 PM |
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+1000 |
treestar |
Sep-24-11 10:24 PM |
#133 |
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Thank your aunt for me |
Number23 |
Sep-24-11 10:41 PM |
#135 |
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We sell ourselves short if we refuse to recognize |
MerryBlooms |
Sep-25-11 05:08 PM |
#143 |
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in some cases she might be right |
elana i am |
Sep-25-11 05:24 PM |
#144 |
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You pick this quote... |
SidDithers |
Sep-27-11 07:36 AM |
#156 |
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