Supersedeas
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Tue Aug-09-11 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #4 |
| 103. there's an element of that |
| -"No We Can't Because We Are Impotent. ...Support Obama Because He Can't Do It Better." |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 12:17 PM |
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+1 because I understand your frustration |
Tansy_Gold |
Aug-08-11 12:19 PM |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Aug-08-11 12:21 PM |
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I pretty much agree with you. This has always been us against the 'thugs. |
Pholus |
Aug-08-11 12:21 PM |
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More constructive to Unrec than to actually debate, they think |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 12:22 PM |
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True enough. Sorry I changed the subject. Wanted to be more positive. |
Pholus |
Aug-08-11 12:23 PM |
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LOL.... Quick Draw McGraw here |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 12:25 PM |
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there's an element of that |
Supersedeas |
Aug-09-11 01:43 PM |
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Excellent observation that the so-called pragmatists are actually defeatists, |
snagglepuss |
Aug-08-11 12:23 PM |
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Excellent observation that we've got bigger unity problems than we thought |
primavera |
Aug-08-11 02:49 PM |
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We've got big-time unity problems |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 05:37 PM |
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"The Presidency is a politically impotent position, and in Congress is is impossible to overcome .. |
mzmolly |
Aug-08-11 12:29 PM |
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Welcome back from vacation! |
Pholus |
Aug-08-11 12:35 PM |
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Vacation? And, Boehner is now trustworthy? |
mzmolly |
Aug-08-11 12:45 PM |
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Please learn the difference between a strategic goal and a negotiating goal. |
Pholus |
Aug-08-11 12:49 PM |
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Let's say the President offered to gut SS and Medicare |
mzmolly |
Aug-08-11 12:53 PM |
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Well, if you offer me $75k for my beat up VW I'd probably sell it to you as well. |
Pholus |
Aug-08-11 12:57 PM |
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What's hard to understand is the BS notion that Obama offered |
mzmolly |
Aug-08-11 01:02 PM |
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Hmmm, that's strange. I was agreeing with you there. If they HAD been offered up, |
Pholus |
Aug-08-11 01:11 PM |
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Prepared to take heat for what? |
mzmolly |
Aug-08-11 01:16 PM |
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This: |
Pholus |
Aug-08-11 01:28 PM |
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I'm familiar with the numerous unsourced "leaks" |
mzmolly |
Aug-08-11 01:32 PM |
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Then we disagree. Done. |
Pholus |
Aug-08-11 01:33 PM |
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Yep. Though, I'm interested in ideas regarding why Republicans rejected the |
mzmolly |
Aug-08-11 01:35 PM |
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Gave you one in #45. |
Pholus |
Aug-08-11 01:42 PM |
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Nope |
mzmolly |
Aug-08-11 02:05 PM |
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Sure -- but the message I noted is hammered home repeatedly |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 12:37 PM |
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Why is it that Democrats were blamed for a few votes on X when Bush was in |
mzmolly |
Aug-08-11 12:47 PM |
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I'm sorry, can you restate that? I don;t quite unbderstand what you are getting at. |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 12:58 PM |
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What I'm stating rather poorly is, |
mzmolly |
Aug-08-11 01:09 PM |
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I think I am understanding... |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 01:57 PM |
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The GOP is insane and doesn't care who gets hurt. Their inspirational "rah rah" in the debt debates |
mzmolly |
Aug-08-11 02:35 PM |
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I disagree about the percentages |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 02:41 PM |
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I was including the persuadable in the middle |
mzmolly |
Aug-08-11 03:11 PM |
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Well a lot of that is lack of understanding -- Which stems friom lack of clear messaging |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 03:29 PM |
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I wish I felt it was all about messaging. |
mzmolly |
Aug-08-11 03:55 PM |
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Not only messaging but I think it is possible to be liberal and popular |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 04:00 PM |
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As do I. But when |
mzmolly |
Aug-08-11 04:03 PM |
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A cliche for the day: When the going gets tough the tough get going. |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 04:21 PM |
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Agree |
mzmolly |
Aug-08-11 06:28 PM |
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Your analysis is so obviously correct |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-08-11 03:17 PM |
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Clinton won me when he said "I'll fight for you until the last dog dies." |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 03:32 PM |
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Rotfl! Eloquently stated. - n/t |
primavera |
Aug-08-11 06:50 PM |
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Obama hired Rahm to shoot his dogs. Mission Accomplished. |
mochajava666 |
Aug-08-11 09:32 PM |
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Hear, hear! |
primavera |
Aug-08-11 06:49 PM |
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I'll tell you why that is. Republicans have turned into bigger and bigger assholes. |
phleshdef |
Aug-08-11 12:57 PM |
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Then Democrats should become bigger assholes -- but for the right reasons |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 01:03 PM |
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Unfortunately, an overly-cooperative spirit is a side of effect of being liberal. |
phleshdef |
Aug-08-11 01:09 PM |
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Well we have to stop being so reasonable...Despite our natures |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 01:27 PM |
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We Continue to Underestimate the Power of the Repiglickin Media |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-08-11 05:47 PM |
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The Supreme Court's "Citizens United" Ruling Gave Them Access to Unlimited Corporate Cash |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-08-11 06:08 PM |
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Heck yes! |
Mimosa |
Aug-08-11 06:55 PM |
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Aug-08-11 12:30 PM |
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"To put it mildly -- This is fucking tragic. " |
ProSense |
Aug-08-11 12:34 PM |
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You think everything is comical |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 12:40 PM |
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Better |
ProSense |
Aug-08-11 12:48 PM |
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Actually -- below your belittling humor -- your view is the tragic one |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 01:08 PM |
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The Repigs Already Had That Ability |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-08-11 05:44 PM |
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Still working through the awkward phrase with the double negative, but ummmm okay? |
Pholus |
Aug-08-11 12:46 PM |
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Hmmm? |
ProSense |
Aug-08-11 12:50 PM |
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And logical trap for the win.... |
Pholus |
Aug-08-11 01:16 PM |
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Hmmm? |
ProSense |
Aug-08-11 01:29 PM |
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Our difference was underlined in just one sentence of yours. |
Pholus |
Aug-08-11 01:43 PM |
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Yeah, |
ProSense |
Aug-08-11 01:46 PM |
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Reminds me of a recent article in WaPo about the prez and his economic advisors... |
polichick |
Aug-08-11 12:36 PM |
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You really, really think |
polmaven |
Aug-08-11 01:01 PM |
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His powers of persuasion should have been used on THE PEOPLE... |
polichick |
Aug-08-11 01:09 PM |
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THE PEOPLE could have worked |
polmaven |
Aug-08-11 04:55 PM |
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And yet President Obama actually believes he has some kind of, as you say, "magical" ability |
Cherchez la Femme |
Aug-09-11 03:38 PM |
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I'm one of the people you are incorrectly labeling as a defeatist. |
phleshdef |
Aug-08-11 12:39 PM |
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I don't agree with you -- But I appreciate your response |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 12:44 PM |
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Of course Congress has power - which is why the President has to FIGHT... |
polichick |
Aug-08-11 12:45 PM |
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Like which special tools???? |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Aug-08-11 12:47 PM |
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Like the bully pulpit, the American people, the veto, the Constitution... |
polichick |
Aug-08-11 12:49 PM |
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I don't believe the bully pulpit is nearly as powerful as it once might have been. |
phleshdef |
Aug-08-11 01:00 PM |
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Pres. Obama's use of the bully pulpit led to countless Americans contacting... |
polichick |
Aug-08-11 01:06 PM |
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That was a cool thing to witness, but I don't see that it changed a lot of minds. |
phleshdef |
Aug-08-11 01:17 PM |
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Another take on this |
daa |
Aug-08-11 12:46 PM |
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We had a 60-vote caucus before Kennedy died |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Aug-08-11 12:51 PM |
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But the pugs only ever need 40 or 50 for reconciliation nt |
daa |
Aug-08-11 12:57 PM |
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Reconciliation can only be used under specific circumstances |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Aug-08-11 01:01 PM |
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I am not sure what your exact point is. My exact point is that |
daa |
Aug-08-11 01:30 PM |
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Bush got what he wanted for most of the first six years |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Aug-08-11 06:11 PM |
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Many Dems wanted the leaders to throw more sand in the gears. At least to take a stand. |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 07:16 PM |
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Unfortunately, the "war on terror" |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Aug-08-11 07:58 PM |
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The GOZ -- Grand Old Zombies |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 08:11 PM |
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The 60th "Democrat" Was LIEberman… |
AndyTiedye |
Aug-08-11 05:58 PM |
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Props for MASSIVE spin |
CakeGrrl |
Aug-08-11 12:48 PM |
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Thank you for providing evidence of what I am talking about |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 12:55 PM |
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I have no idea what you're doing other than posting along with the usual chorus here. |
CakeGrrl |
Aug-08-11 01:13 PM |
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That is correct. You have no idea what most people here do otherwise. |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 01:29 PM |
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What's a stupid meme? The idea of a primary challenge? |
CakeGrrl |
Aug-08-11 01:35 PM |
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I was not even thinking of a "primary challenge." |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 02:02 PM |
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"Whether or not there is a primary challenge is beside the point for many of us" |
CakeGrrl |
Aug-08-11 02:13 PM |
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Aug-08-11 02:20 PM |
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Seriously, it's |
ProSense |
Aug-08-11 12:57 PM |
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Seeds of a Third Party -- This is how it begins. |
vroomvroom |
Aug-08-11 02:06 PM |
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I'm not advocating that -- But it is creating an environment for it |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 02:07 PM |
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Thank you for posting this - n/t |
primavera |
Aug-08-11 02:44 PM |
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Fuck it all to hell... |
Gunny1 |
Aug-08-11 03:45 PM |
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It sucks but it is not inevitable /nt |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 03:59 PM |
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Those are just words |
Gunny1 |
Aug-08-11 04:06 PM |
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If you believe than there's nothing more to say or do |
Armstead |
Aug-08-11 04:19 PM |
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The DU dichotomy: is the President good enough or ineffectual? |
Mimosa |
Aug-08-11 09:40 PM |
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Excellent post! |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-08-11 09:46 PM |
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Defeatism is accepting the framing that |
swilton |
Aug-08-11 11:16 PM |
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