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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 02:49 PM
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72. Excellent observation that we've got bigger unity problems than we thought
I'm glad we're airing this dirty laundry now before the campaign season begins in earnest.
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  -"No We Can't Because We Are Impotent. ...Support Obama Because He Can't Do It Better." Armstead  Aug-08-11 12:17 PM   #0 
  - +1 because I understand your frustration  Tansy_Gold   Aug-08-11 12:19 PM   #1 
  - recommend  xchrom   Aug-08-11 12:21 PM   #2 
  - I pretty much agree with you. This has always been us against the 'thugs.  Pholus   Aug-08-11 12:21 PM   #3 
  - More constructive to Unrec than to actually debate, they think  Armstead   Aug-08-11 12:22 PM   #4 
     - True enough. Sorry I changed the subject. Wanted to be more positive.  Pholus   Aug-08-11 12:23 PM   #6 
     - LOL.... Quick Draw McGraw here  Armstead   Aug-08-11 12:25 PM   #7 
     - there's an element of that  Supersedeas   Aug-09-11 01:43 PM   #103 
  - Excellent observation that the so-called pragmatists are actually defeatists,  snagglepuss   Aug-08-11 12:23 PM   #5 
  - Excellent observation that we've got bigger unity problems than we thought  primavera   Aug-08-11 02:49 PM   #72 
     - We've got big-time unity problems  Armstead   Aug-08-11 05:37 PM   #86 
  - "The Presidency is a politically impotent position, and in Congress is is impossible to overcome ..  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 12:29 PM   #8 
  - Welcome back from vacation!  Pholus   Aug-08-11 12:35 PM   #11 
  - Vacation? And, Boehner is now trustworthy?  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 12:45 PM   #17 
     - Please learn the difference between a strategic goal and a negotiating goal.  Pholus   Aug-08-11 12:49 PM   #25 
        - Let's say the President offered to gut SS and Medicare  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 12:53 PM   #29 
           - Well, if you offer me $75k for my beat up VW I'd probably sell it to you as well.  Pholus   Aug-08-11 12:57 PM   #33 
              - What's hard to understand is the BS notion that Obama offered  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 01:02 PM   #38 
                 - Hmmm, that's strange. I was agreeing with you there. If they HAD been offered up,  Pholus   Aug-08-11 01:11 PM   #45 
                    - Prepared to take heat for what?  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 01:16 PM   #47 
                       - This:  Pholus   Aug-08-11 01:28 PM   #51 
                          - I'm familiar with the numerous unsourced "leaks"  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 01:32 PM   #55 
                             - Then we disagree. Done.  Pholus   Aug-08-11 01:33 PM   #56 
                                - Yep. Though, I'm interested in ideas regarding why Republicans rejected the  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 01:35 PM   #57 
                                   - Gave you one in #45.  Pholus   Aug-08-11 01:42 PM   #59 
                                      - Nope  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 02:05 PM   #64 
  - Sure -- but the message I noted is hammered home repeatedly  Armstead   Aug-08-11 12:37 PM   #13 
     - Why is it that Democrats were blamed for a few votes on X when Bush was in  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 12:47 PM   #21 
     - I'm sorry, can you restate that? I don;t quite unbderstand what you are getting at.  Armstead   Aug-08-11 12:58 PM   #34 
        - What I'm stating rather poorly is,  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 01:09 PM   #44 
           - I think I am understanding...  Armstead   Aug-08-11 01:57 PM   #62 
              - The GOP is insane and doesn't care who gets hurt. Their inspirational "rah rah" in the debt debates  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 02:35 PM   #69 
                 - I disagree about the percentages  Armstead   Aug-08-11 02:41 PM   #70 
                    - I was including the persuadable in the middle  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 03:11 PM   #73 
                    - Well a lot of that is lack of understanding -- Which stems friom lack of clear messaging  Armstead   Aug-08-11 03:29 PM   #75 
                       - I wish I felt it was all about messaging.  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 03:55 PM   #78 
                          - Not only messaging but I think it is possible to be liberal and popular  Armstead   Aug-08-11 04:00 PM   #80 
                             - As do I. But when  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 04:03 PM   #81 
                                - A cliche for the day: When the going gets tough the tough get going.  Armstead   Aug-08-11 04:21 PM   #84 
                                   - Agree  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 06:28 PM   #92 
                    - Your analysis is so obviously correct  Jakes Progress   Aug-08-11 03:17 PM   #74 
                       - Clinton won me when he said "I'll fight for you until the last dog dies."  Armstead   Aug-08-11 03:32 PM   #76 
                       - Rotfl! Eloquently stated. - n/t  primavera   Aug-08-11 06:50 PM   #94 
                       - Obama hired Rahm to shoot his dogs. Mission Accomplished.  mochajava666   Aug-08-11 09:32 PM   #99 
                       - Hear, hear!  primavera   Aug-08-11 06:49 PM   #93 
     - I'll tell you why that is. Republicans have turned into bigger and bigger assholes.  phleshdef   Aug-08-11 12:57 PM   # 
     - Then Democrats should become bigger assholes -- but for the right reasons  Armstead   Aug-08-11 01:03 PM   #39 
        - Unfortunately, an overly-cooperative spirit is a side of effect of being liberal.  phleshdef   Aug-08-11 01:09 PM   #42 
           - Well we have to stop being so reasonable...Despite our natures  Armstead   Aug-08-11 01:27 PM   #50 
     - We Continue to Underestimate the Power of the Repiglickin Media  AndyTiedye   Aug-08-11 05:47 PM   #88 
     - The Supreme Court's "Citizens United" Ruling Gave Them Access to Unlimited Corporate Cash  AndyTiedye   Aug-08-11 06:08 PM   #90 
        - Heck yes!  Mimosa   Aug-08-11 06:55 PM   #95 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-08-11 12:30 PM   #9 
  - "To put it mildly -- This is fucking tragic. "  ProSense   Aug-08-11 12:34 PM   #10 
  - You think everything is comical  Armstead   Aug-08-11 12:40 PM   #15 
  - Better  ProSense   Aug-08-11 12:48 PM   #24 
  - Actually -- below your belittling humor -- your view is the tragic one  Armstead   Aug-08-11 01:08 PM   #41 
  - The Repigs Already Had That Ability  AndyTiedye   Aug-08-11 05:44 PM   #87 
  - Still working through the awkward phrase with the double negative, but ummmm okay?  Pholus   Aug-08-11 12:46 PM   #20 
     - Hmmm?  ProSense   Aug-08-11 12:50 PM   #27 
        - And logical trap for the win....  Pholus   Aug-08-11 01:16 PM   #48 
           - Hmmm?  ProSense   Aug-08-11 01:29 PM   #53 
              - Our difference was underlined in just one sentence of yours.  Pholus   Aug-08-11 01:43 PM   #60 
                 - Yeah,  ProSense   Aug-08-11 01:46 PM   #61 
  - Reminds me of a recent article in WaPo about the prez and his economic advisors...  polichick   Aug-08-11 12:36 PM   #12 
  - You really, really think  polmaven   Aug-08-11 01:01 PM   #37 
     - His powers of persuasion should have been used on THE PEOPLE...  polichick   Aug-08-11 01:09 PM   #43 
     - THE PEOPLE could have worked  polmaven   Aug-08-11 04:55 PM   #85 
     - And yet President Obama actually believes he has some kind of, as you say, "magical" ability  Cherchez la Femme   Aug-09-11 03:38 PM   #104 
  - I'm one of the people you are incorrectly labeling as a defeatist.  phleshdef   Aug-08-11 12:39 PM   #14 
  - I don't agree with you -- But I appreciate your response  Armstead   Aug-08-11 12:44 PM   #16 
  - Of course Congress has power - which is why the President has to FIGHT...  polichick   Aug-08-11 12:45 PM   #18 
     - Like which special tools????  Proud Liberal Dem   Aug-08-11 12:47 PM   #22 
        - Like the bully pulpit, the American people, the veto, the Constitution...  polichick   Aug-08-11 12:49 PM   #26 
           - I don't believe the bully pulpit is nearly as powerful as it once might have been.  phleshdef   Aug-08-11 01:00 PM   #35 
              - Pres. Obama's use of the bully pulpit led to countless Americans contacting...  polichick   Aug-08-11 01:06 PM   #40 
                 - That was a cool thing to witness, but I don't see that it changed a lot of minds.  phleshdef   Aug-08-11 01:17 PM   #49 
  - Another take on this  daa   Aug-08-11 12:46 PM   #19 
  - We had a 60-vote caucus before Kennedy died  Proud Liberal Dem   Aug-08-11 12:51 PM   #28 
     - But the pugs only ever need 40 or 50 for reconciliation nt  daa   Aug-08-11 12:57 PM   #31 
     - Reconciliation can only be used under specific circumstances  Proud Liberal Dem   Aug-08-11 01:01 PM   #36 
        - I am not sure what your exact point is. My exact point is that  daa   Aug-08-11 01:30 PM   #54 
           - Bush got what he wanted for most of the first six years  Proud Liberal Dem   Aug-08-11 06:11 PM   #91 
              - Many Dems wanted the leaders to throw more sand in the gears. At least to take a stand.  Armstead   Aug-08-11 07:16 PM   #96 
                 - Unfortunately, the "war on terror"  Proud Liberal Dem   Aug-08-11 07:58 PM   #97 
                    - The GOZ -- Grand Old Zombies  Armstead   Aug-08-11 08:11 PM   #98 
     - The 60th "Democrat" Was LIEberman  AndyTiedye   Aug-08-11 05:58 PM   #89 
  - Props for MASSIVE spin  CakeGrrl   Aug-08-11 12:48 PM   #23 
  - Thank you for providing evidence of what I am talking about  Armstead   Aug-08-11 12:55 PM   #30 
  - I have no idea what you're doing other than posting along with the usual chorus here.  CakeGrrl   Aug-08-11 01:13 PM   #46 
     - That is correct. You have no idea what most people here do otherwise.  Armstead   Aug-08-11 01:29 PM   #52 
        - What's a stupid meme? The idea of a primary challenge?  CakeGrrl   Aug-08-11 01:35 PM   #58 
           - I was not even thinking of a "primary challenge."  Armstead   Aug-08-11 02:02 PM   #63 
              - "Whether or not there is a primary challenge is beside the point for many of us"  CakeGrrl   Aug-08-11 02:13 PM   #67 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-08-11 02:20 PM   #68 
  - Seriously, it's  ProSense   Aug-08-11 12:57 PM   #32 
  - Seeds of a Third Party -- This is how it begins.  vroomvroom   Aug-08-11 02:06 PM   #65 
  - I'm not advocating that -- But it is creating an environment for it  Armstead   Aug-08-11 02:07 PM   #66 
  - Thank you for posting this - n/t  primavera   Aug-08-11 02:44 PM   #71 
  - Fuck it all to hell...  Gunny1   Aug-08-11 03:45 PM   #77 
  - It sucks but it is not inevitable /nt  Armstead   Aug-08-11 03:59 PM   #79 
     - Those are just words  Gunny1   Aug-08-11 04:06 PM   #82 
        - If you believe than there's nothing more to say or do  Armstead   Aug-08-11 04:19 PM   #83 
  - The DU dichotomy: is the President good enough or ineffectual?  Mimosa   Aug-08-11 09:40 PM   #100 
  - Excellent post!  jefferson_dem   Aug-08-11 09:46 PM   #101 
  - Defeatism is accepting the framing that  swilton   Aug-08-11 11:16 PM   #102 
 

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