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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 12:51 PM
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28. We had a 60-vote caucus before Kennedy died
Not all 60 of those were progressive either. Hell, one of them even campaigned AGAINST President Obama in 2008! Once we lost Kennedy and Coakly didn't win the seat, our caucus was no longer filibuster-proof and we needed all 59 members on board +1 Republican to get anything else through.
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  -"No We Can't Because We Are Impotent. ...Support Obama Because He Can't Do It Better." Armstead  Aug-08-11 12:17 PM   #0 
  - +1 because I understand your frustration  Tansy_Gold   Aug-08-11 12:19 PM   #1 
  - recommend  xchrom   Aug-08-11 12:21 PM   #2 
  - I pretty much agree with you. This has always been us against the 'thugs.  Pholus   Aug-08-11 12:21 PM   #3 
  - More constructive to Unrec than to actually debate, they think  Armstead   Aug-08-11 12:22 PM   #4 
     - True enough. Sorry I changed the subject. Wanted to be more positive.  Pholus   Aug-08-11 12:23 PM   #6 
     - LOL.... Quick Draw McGraw here  Armstead   Aug-08-11 12:25 PM   #7 
     - there's an element of that  Supersedeas   Aug-09-11 01:43 PM   #103 
  - Excellent observation that the so-called pragmatists are actually defeatists,  snagglepuss   Aug-08-11 12:23 PM   #5 
  - Excellent observation that we've got bigger unity problems than we thought  primavera   Aug-08-11 02:49 PM   #72 
     - We've got big-time unity problems  Armstead   Aug-08-11 05:37 PM   #86 
  - "The Presidency is a politically impotent position, and in Congress is is impossible to overcome ..  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 12:29 PM   #8 
  - Welcome back from vacation!  Pholus   Aug-08-11 12:35 PM   #11 
  - Vacation? And, Boehner is now trustworthy?  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 12:45 PM   #17 
     - Please learn the difference between a strategic goal and a negotiating goal.  Pholus   Aug-08-11 12:49 PM   #25 
        - Let's say the President offered to gut SS and Medicare  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 12:53 PM   #29 
           - Well, if you offer me $75k for my beat up VW I'd probably sell it to you as well.  Pholus   Aug-08-11 12:57 PM   #33 
              - What's hard to understand is the BS notion that Obama offered  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 01:02 PM   #38 
                 - Hmmm, that's strange. I was agreeing with you there. If they HAD been offered up,  Pholus   Aug-08-11 01:11 PM   #45 
                    - Prepared to take heat for what?  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 01:16 PM   #47 
                       - This:  Pholus   Aug-08-11 01:28 PM   #51 
                          - I'm familiar with the numerous unsourced "leaks"  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 01:32 PM   #55 
                             - Then we disagree. Done.  Pholus   Aug-08-11 01:33 PM   #56 
                                - Yep. Though, I'm interested in ideas regarding why Republicans rejected the  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 01:35 PM   #57 
                                   - Gave you one in #45.  Pholus   Aug-08-11 01:42 PM   #59 
                                      - Nope  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 02:05 PM   #64 
  - Sure -- but the message I noted is hammered home repeatedly  Armstead   Aug-08-11 12:37 PM   #13 
     - Why is it that Democrats were blamed for a few votes on X when Bush was in  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 12:47 PM   #21 
     - I'm sorry, can you restate that? I don;t quite unbderstand what you are getting at.  Armstead   Aug-08-11 12:58 PM   #34 
        - What I'm stating rather poorly is,  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 01:09 PM   #44 
           - I think I am understanding...  Armstead   Aug-08-11 01:57 PM   #62 
              - The GOP is insane and doesn't care who gets hurt. Their inspirational "rah rah" in the debt debates  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 02:35 PM   #69 
                 - I disagree about the percentages  Armstead   Aug-08-11 02:41 PM   #70 
                    - I was including the persuadable in the middle  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 03:11 PM   #73 
                    - Well a lot of that is lack of understanding -- Which stems friom lack of clear messaging  Armstead   Aug-08-11 03:29 PM   #75 
                       - I wish I felt it was all about messaging.  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 03:55 PM   #78 
                          - Not only messaging but I think it is possible to be liberal and popular  Armstead   Aug-08-11 04:00 PM   #80 
                             - As do I. But when  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 04:03 PM   #81 
                                - A cliche for the day: When the going gets tough the tough get going.  Armstead   Aug-08-11 04:21 PM   #84 
                                   - Agree  mzmolly   Aug-08-11 06:28 PM   #92 
                    - Your analysis is so obviously correct  Jakes Progress   Aug-08-11 03:17 PM   #74 
                       - Clinton won me when he said "I'll fight for you until the last dog dies."  Armstead   Aug-08-11 03:32 PM   #76 
                       - Rotfl! Eloquently stated. - n/t  primavera   Aug-08-11 06:50 PM   #94 
                       - Obama hired Rahm to shoot his dogs. Mission Accomplished.  mochajava666   Aug-08-11 09:32 PM   #99 
                       - Hear, hear!  primavera   Aug-08-11 06:49 PM   #93 
     - I'll tell you why that is. Republicans have turned into bigger and bigger assholes.  phleshdef   Aug-08-11 12:57 PM   # 
     - Then Democrats should become bigger assholes -- but for the right reasons  Armstead   Aug-08-11 01:03 PM   #39 
        - Unfortunately, an overly-cooperative spirit is a side of effect of being liberal.  phleshdef   Aug-08-11 01:09 PM   #42 
           - Well we have to stop being so reasonable...Despite our natures  Armstead   Aug-08-11 01:27 PM   #50 
     - We Continue to Underestimate the Power of the Repiglickin Media  AndyTiedye   Aug-08-11 05:47 PM   #88 
     - The Supreme Court's "Citizens United" Ruling Gave Them Access to Unlimited Corporate Cash  AndyTiedye   Aug-08-11 06:08 PM   #90 
        - Heck yes!  Mimosa   Aug-08-11 06:55 PM   #95 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-08-11 12:30 PM   #9 
  - "To put it mildly -- This is fucking tragic. "  ProSense   Aug-08-11 12:34 PM   #10 
  - You think everything is comical  Armstead   Aug-08-11 12:40 PM   #15 
  - Better  ProSense   Aug-08-11 12:48 PM   #24 
  - Actually -- below your belittling humor -- your view is the tragic one  Armstead   Aug-08-11 01:08 PM   #41 
  - The Repigs Already Had That Ability  AndyTiedye   Aug-08-11 05:44 PM   #87 
  - Still working through the awkward phrase with the double negative, but ummmm okay?  Pholus   Aug-08-11 12:46 PM   #20 
     - Hmmm?  ProSense   Aug-08-11 12:50 PM   #27 
        - And logical trap for the win....  Pholus   Aug-08-11 01:16 PM   #48 
           - Hmmm?  ProSense   Aug-08-11 01:29 PM   #53 
              - Our difference was underlined in just one sentence of yours.  Pholus   Aug-08-11 01:43 PM   #60 
                 - Yeah,  ProSense   Aug-08-11 01:46 PM   #61 
  - Reminds me of a recent article in WaPo about the prez and his economic advisors...  polichick   Aug-08-11 12:36 PM   #12 
  - You really, really think  polmaven   Aug-08-11 01:01 PM   #37 
     - His powers of persuasion should have been used on THE PEOPLE...  polichick   Aug-08-11 01:09 PM   #43 
     - THE PEOPLE could have worked  polmaven   Aug-08-11 04:55 PM   #85 
     - And yet President Obama actually believes he has some kind of, as you say, "magical" ability  Cherchez la Femme   Aug-09-11 03:38 PM   #104 
  - I'm one of the people you are incorrectly labeling as a defeatist.  phleshdef   Aug-08-11 12:39 PM   #14 
  - I don't agree with you -- But I appreciate your response  Armstead   Aug-08-11 12:44 PM   #16 
  - Of course Congress has power - which is why the President has to FIGHT...  polichick   Aug-08-11 12:45 PM   #18 
     - Like which special tools????  Proud Liberal Dem   Aug-08-11 12:47 PM   #22 
        - Like the bully pulpit, the American people, the veto, the Constitution...  polichick   Aug-08-11 12:49 PM   #26 
           - I don't believe the bully pulpit is nearly as powerful as it once might have been.  phleshdef   Aug-08-11 01:00 PM   #35 
              - Pres. Obama's use of the bully pulpit led to countless Americans contacting...  polichick   Aug-08-11 01:06 PM   #40 
                 - That was a cool thing to witness, but I don't see that it changed a lot of minds.  phleshdef   Aug-08-11 01:17 PM   #49 
  - Another take on this  daa   Aug-08-11 12:46 PM   #19 
  - We had a 60-vote caucus before Kennedy died  Proud Liberal Dem   Aug-08-11 12:51 PM   #28 
     - But the pugs only ever need 40 or 50 for reconciliation nt  daa   Aug-08-11 12:57 PM   #31 
     - Reconciliation can only be used under specific circumstances  Proud Liberal Dem   Aug-08-11 01:01 PM   #36 
        - I am not sure what your exact point is. My exact point is that  daa   Aug-08-11 01:30 PM   #54 
           - Bush got what he wanted for most of the first six years  Proud Liberal Dem   Aug-08-11 06:11 PM   #91 
              - Many Dems wanted the leaders to throw more sand in the gears. At least to take a stand.  Armstead   Aug-08-11 07:16 PM   #96 
                 - Unfortunately, the "war on terror"  Proud Liberal Dem   Aug-08-11 07:58 PM   #97 
                    - The GOZ -- Grand Old Zombies  Armstead   Aug-08-11 08:11 PM   #98 
     - The 60th "Democrat" Was LIEberman…  AndyTiedye   Aug-08-11 05:58 PM   #89 
  - Props for MASSIVE spin  CakeGrrl   Aug-08-11 12:48 PM   #23 
  - Thank you for providing evidence of what I am talking about  Armstead   Aug-08-11 12:55 PM   #30 
  - I have no idea what you're doing other than posting along with the usual chorus here.  CakeGrrl   Aug-08-11 01:13 PM   #46 
     - That is correct. You have no idea what most people here do otherwise.  Armstead   Aug-08-11 01:29 PM   #52 
        - What's a stupid meme? The idea of a primary challenge?  CakeGrrl   Aug-08-11 01:35 PM   #58 
           - I was not even thinking of a "primary challenge."  Armstead   Aug-08-11 02:02 PM   #63 
              - "Whether or not there is a primary challenge is beside the point for many of us"  CakeGrrl   Aug-08-11 02:13 PM   #67 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-08-11 02:20 PM   #68 
  - Seriously, it's  ProSense   Aug-08-11 12:57 PM   #32 
  - Seeds of a Third Party -- This is how it begins.  vroomvroom   Aug-08-11 02:06 PM   #65 
  - I'm not advocating that -- But it is creating an environment for it  Armstead   Aug-08-11 02:07 PM   #66 
  - Thank you for posting this - n/t  primavera   Aug-08-11 02:44 PM   #71 
  - Fuck it all to hell...  Gunny1   Aug-08-11 03:45 PM   #77 
  - It sucks but it is not inevitable /nt  Armstead   Aug-08-11 03:59 PM   #79 
     - Those are just words  Gunny1   Aug-08-11 04:06 PM   #82 
        - If you believe than there's nothing more to say or do  Armstead   Aug-08-11 04:19 PM   #83 
  - The DU dichotomy: is the President good enough or ineffectual?  Mimosa   Aug-08-11 09:40 PM   #100 
  - Excellent post!  jefferson_dem   Aug-08-11 09:46 PM   #101 
  - Defeatism is accepting the framing that  swilton   Aug-08-11 11:16 PM   #102 
 

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