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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:43 PM
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16. The budget says "Spend X" presumably within the limit of the debt ceiling.
The President can't, for instance, just send armed men to rob random citizens to pay for Congressional appropriations; he has to do so through legal means that get through Congress. The debt ceiling is a limitation on those legal means.

He does arguably have legal authority under the Fourteenth Amendment to do what you suggest, though, and I think he should. But he won't, so I'm talking about what the House Democrats should do, and should have done, taking that as a background assumption.
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  -To those who hate this debt compromise bill and want it shot down in flames, all hope is not lost. jefferson_dem  Jul-31-11 10:41 PM   #0 
  - It looks like the far-left and the far-right hate this deal.  boxman15   Jul-31-11 10:43 PM   #1 
  - Teabaggers are the leftbaggers' best friends....  scheming daemons   Jul-31-11 10:44 PM   #2 
  - It would seem so.  Maru Kitteh   Jul-31-11 10:50 PM   #5 
  - Often times very true.  jefferson_dem   Jul-31-11 10:53 PM   #6 
  - So, in your opinion, is Obama a teabagger or a leftbagger?  brentspeak   Jul-31-11 11:07 PM   #12 
  - they have the 60 votes  dsc   Jul-31-11 10:45 PM   #3 
  - The Tuesday deadline is a little soft...  TheWraith   Jul-31-11 10:57 PM   #7 
  - I don't want Republicans to kill it. That would push the final outcome in the wrong direction.  Unvanguard   Jul-31-11 10:45 PM   #4 
  - Thereby either causing us to default, or getting a more Republican favored deal?  TheWraith   Jul-31-11 10:59 PM   #8 
     - You're right, at this point it would probably mean a few days of default.  Unvanguard   Jul-31-11 11:04 PM   #10 
        - Nah. Just ignore the limit.  jeff47   Jul-31-11 11:38 PM   #15 
           - The budget says "Spend X" presumably within the limit of the debt ceiling.  Unvanguard   Jul-31-11 11:43 PM   #16 
              - Doesn't matter if it says "within the debt ceiling"  jeff47   Aug-01-11 12:15 AM   #17 
  - Their wailings are music to my ears.  Ikonoklast   Jul-31-11 11:01 PM   #9 
  - But they won!!!!!!  treestar   Jul-31-11 11:04 PM   #11 
  - What the hell is Bachmann talking about ???  Tx4obama   Jul-31-11 11:10 PM   #13 
  - Aren't there lots of progressives who are against it as well? Sen. Sanders for one? nt  kelly1mm   Jul-31-11 11:16 PM   #14 
  - At this point,  ProSense   Aug-01-11 12:53 AM   #18 

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