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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:12 PM
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29. you made the argument...contorted as it was, only to find out it actually makes Obama look bad
Edited on Mon Jul-11-11 07:13 PM by CreekDog
unfortunately, much of the most vigorous defenses of Obama actually paint him worse than his critics (on the left) think he is, because the most vigorous defenders say things like:

1) he didn't do x, y or z because he didn't have the power to do it
2) he didn't speak in favor of x, y, or z because he didn't have the votes to pass it --so what would be the point
3) if he doesn't have the votes for something, he's not going to go out on a limb for it because he'll probably lose

4) you can't take his words at face value because he's speaking in some sort of strategic political code, designed to win for our side

there's more, but i'll let you cogitate on these for now.

i actually think more of Obama than all these things, but his most vocal advocates make the above arguments time and time again.

his critics on the other hand, many don't trust him, sure, but a lot of them think:

1) he didn't do x, y, or z because he was afraid of losing the battle (but does actually want to pass progressive x, y or z)
2) he didn't speak in favor of x, y, or z because he didn't have the votes and thought he'd lose support elsewhere if he took a strong position

BUT they also think:

3) if he takes a strong stand, Obama really can persuade people to a more progressive position, so he should do this more often
4) if he takes a strong stand (but loses sometimes), i'll respect his courage (and we think so will others who don't respect him now --even on the right)
5) and that almost all the positions he's a bit soft on are ones that are winners with the public
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