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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:25 PM
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43. And this progressive is sick of uber progressives thinking they control the party.
They don't. Whether Pres. Obama is reelected or not, won't change that simple fact. He is not going to be held hostage like the Repukes and their Teabagging ideology. It's pretty simple really. It's these rigid ideologies that make the likelihood that horrible things, like Arizona, happen.

Obama's a center left moderate. Always was, and likely always will be. You can either accept that or not, but you shouldn't be allowed to revise history. Oh, and get used to the fact that the Democratic party is not the party of Kucinich, if it were, he'd have been the nominee the other half million times he tried out. America wasn't ready for it then, and I suspect, it never will be. ;)
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  -Obama vows to strengthen SS, will NOT slash benefits. ~ Huffington Post mzmolly  Jul-07-11 11:57 AM   #0 
  - Good luck. This is DU....  Davis_X_Machina   Jul-07-11 12:00 PM   #1 
  - LOL  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 12:02 PM   #4 
  - If you don't like DU, then go away. nt  bemildred   Jul-07-11 07:08 PM   #60 
  - Tampering with the CPI to screw recipients on COLA's is a slash  DJ13   Jul-07-11 12:00 PM   #2 
  - where did you get that from the admin's statement?  Windy   Jul-07-11 12:01 PM   #3 
  - The admin has been talking about "chained CPI" the last few weeks  DJ13   Jul-07-11 12:16 PM   #16 
     - Do you have a quote from the admin  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 10:28 PM   #69 
  - I've heard that there may be a means test and an end to the cap on income.  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 12:03 PM   #5 
  - End of cap -- good. Means test -- not so much. n/t  Ineeda   Jul-07-11 12:07 PM   #10 
  - That depends on the income limitations. Perhaps the means test will only impact  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 12:10 PM   #11 
  - means test turns SS into a type of welfare program  rurallib   Jul-07-11 02:56 PM   #48 
     - No, it turns it into a need based program. We have an income cap  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 10:29 PM   #70 
  - Yes, and so is raising the retirement age. nt  woo me with science   Jul-07-11 12:18 PM   #18 
  - I got slammed for saying the same thing  FreakinDJ   Jul-07-11 12:03 PM   #6 
  - I just got unrecc'd as well. Yes, all in a day...  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 12:06 PM   #8 
     - that's a good question.-  Bluerthanblue   Jul-07-11 09:57 PM   #68 
  - And when he does, please be sure to let us know that this is the best he  joeybee12   Jul-07-11 12:05 PM   #7 
  - And when he doesn't ?  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 12:07 PM   #9 
  - They won't "slash" benefits...  ljm2002   Jul-07-11 12:12 PM   #12 
  - So no matter what the changes are, you plan to deem them  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 12:26 PM   #20 
     - Well I did list a couple...  ljm2002   Jul-07-11 12:43 PM   #26 
        - You noted speculation.  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 12:48 PM   #27 
  - Unfortunately, it's the LIE people remember, not the CORRECTION.  CakeGrrl   Jul-07-11 12:12 PM   #13 
  - Yes it is unfortunate.  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 12:27 PM   #21 
  - This is hardly a correction - it is in agreement with previous stories about cuts ....  GOTV   Jul-07-11 02:24 PM   #42 
  - Translation: "We'll raise the retirement age." Notice it's not, "We won't change anything."  DirkGently   Jul-07-11 12:14 PM   #14 
  - Right. It's not "we will not change a thing." I've heard they may eliminate the income  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 12:27 PM   #22 
  - I hope that he's right and telling the truth -- and in that case, successful.  damntexdem   Jul-07-11 12:15 PM   #15 
  - Ed Schultz Not Happy  otohara   Jul-07-11 12:16 PM   #17 
  - Love Ed, but he's reactionary.  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 12:28 PM   #23 
     - Just like some here at DU! Knee-jerk reaction without the facts!! n/t  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jul-07-11 12:29 PM   #25 
  - It would help if he quit talking like a republican.  Autumn   Jul-07-11 12:24 PM   #19 
  - I agree.  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 12:28 PM   #24 
  - What would really help is if "progressives" didn't run off half-cocked before  Tarheel_Dem   Jul-07-11 12:50 PM   #29 
     - If I've learned one thing since Obama became president,  Autumn   Jul-07-11 01:57 PM   #40 
        - And this progressive is sick of uber progressives thinking they control the party.  Tarheel_Dem   Jul-07-11 02:25 PM   #43 
           - Since you seem to be a center moderate, you should get used  Autumn   Jul-07-11 02:37 PM   #45 
              - +1  PassingFair   Jul-07-11 02:43 PM   #46 
              - I blame "ideological" entrenchment. It's dangerous, and gets us nowhere.  Tarheel_Dem   Jul-07-11 02:52 PM   #47 
                 - I supported Hillary in the primaries, because she was a woman  Autumn   Jul-07-11 03:13 PM   #49 
                    - Didn't have to "go to the trouble of looking you up". I remember you quite  Tarheel_Dem   Jul-07-11 03:28 PM   #50 
                       - I don't get the DLC bullshit.It's all a crock to me.  Autumn   Jul-07-11 03:39 PM   #51 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-07-11 03:50 PM   #53 
                             - I would if I knew her you can always email her,  Autumn   Jul-07-11 03:54 PM   #54 
                                - I kinda figured you'd be done after your DLC roots came to light. Have a nice one.  Tarheel_Dem   Jul-07-11 03:58 PM   #55 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-07-11 08:51 PM   #66 
  - the WH spokesman is a source of "actual information"?  Enrique   Jul-07-11 12:50 PM   #28 
  - Original statement by the prez; state of the union....  chowder66   Jul-07-11 01:32 PM   #36 
  - Unrec for not allowing me to get my outrage on!  BklnDem75   Jul-07-11 12:52 PM   #30 
  - lol ouuuuuttraggggeee .. that does feel kind of good nt  flamingdem   Jul-07-11 01:11 PM   #32 
  - Why wait for the actual facts when it's much easier to make assumptions.  Phx_Dem   Jul-07-11 12:55 PM   #31 
  - Slash is a word with a meaning. It is a specific style of cutting  Bluenorthwest   Jul-07-11 01:20 PM   #33 
  - And if he'd said "cut" someone would take issue with that word  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 01:29 PM   #35 
     - Not so if he spoke clearly and directly as commanded by the  Bluenorthwest   Jul-07-11 01:40 PM   #37 
        - Some people see slippery language where  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 01:42 PM   #38 
  - Pres. Obama in his SOTU said he'd cut costs and fraud but not benefits.  ClarkUSA   Jul-07-11 01:22 PM   #34 
  - And cutting fraud will be deemed a "cut" by the  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 01:48 PM   #39 
  - I'm sure they very carefully chose the word "slash"  GOTV   Jul-07-11 02:18 PM   #41 
  - Much like the press carefully suggested the President  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 02:25 PM   #44 
  - Nothing more than word games  pmorlan1   Jul-07-11 03:46 PM   #52 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-07-11 04:02 PM   #56 
  - Of course he won't "slash" benefits. He''ll just cut them.  eridani   Jul-07-11 05:22 PM   #57 
  - He has said  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 07:05 PM   #58 
     - Why isn't it in his current proposal, then?  eridani   Jul-07-11 07:07 PM   #59 
        - Did you see the "update" and title from your own link?  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 09:53 PM   #67 
           - I want a public statement from him that this is the only acceptable modification to Soc Sec  eridani   Jul-08-11 03:52 AM   #76 
              - I want a statement from him that says something deserving of criticism  mzmolly   Jul-08-11 11:43 AM   #77 
  - Would raising the age to get these benefits be considered "not slashing benefits"?  cascadiance   Jul-07-11 07:12 PM   #61 
  - And Steny Hoyer said tonight that Social Security recipients would not be adversely affected. n/t  jenmito   Jul-07-11 07:31 PM   #62 
  - I hope that's  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 10:55 PM   #72 
  - Kick for actual info from the President  Palmer Eldritch   Jul-07-11 07:49 PM   #63 
  - K&R for not being RNC propaganda.  McCamy Taylor   Jul-07-11 08:16 PM   #64 
  - It's always Say one thing, & then Do the Opposite  blkmusclmachine   Jul-07-11 08:27 PM   #65 
  - *sigh*  boppers   Jul-07-11 10:34 PM   #71 
  - No he will "trim" it no doubt. Let's wait til the budget deicit is solved til we applaud him.  Fearless   Jul-07-11 11:10 PM   #73 
     - Who's applauding?  mzmolly   Jul-07-11 11:14 PM   #74 
        - There are a lot of people applauding the president in this thread. And trim? We shall see.  Fearless   Jul-07-11 11:32 PM   #75 

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