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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 06:42 AM
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13. While the media does play a part in trying to pit the left versus Democrats...
Dems do a pretty damn good job by siding with or capitulating to Republicans and their corporate benefactors so often. And when Obama and his crew always seem to come out more forcefully against the Left than they do the Right, whom they are eager to compromise with at every turn (while we can just STFU), then it's not just the media's fault that Obama has lost appeal to many on the left.

And don't spout some non-scientific strawpolls from Netroots Nation saying 87% of Liberals support Obama because that's hogwash. Kos has been an ardent supporter of Obama to the point that he goes after any critics of Obama from the left mostly in the same way that his loyalists do here: attack the messenger and ignore the message (or attempt to demean it).

Reality is Obama has moved very slowly on LGBT issues. Completely dismissed the left during the HCR debate which if he had started on the left and negotiated backward he would have gotten so much more as an actual "compromise" than he did by starting where Republicans demands initially were and then negotiating away most of the valuable stuff to try to pick up two lousy votes. He does this every time. He's like the worst car buyer ever hitting up the lot of an extremely polished and shady car salesman. Instead of starting at everything he wishes he could have and negotiating to what he can actually get, he starts at what he should actually get and negotiates back to whatever the fuck the GOP decides to give him. Just enough crumbs to keep their rabid base believing Obama got what he wanted and is dismantling the country so they can win the next election cycle out of misinformed anger and rage.

As for the troop drawdowns, neither Iraq nor Afghanistan's numbers are sufficient. We were engaged in much greater numbers in Vietnam and managed to pull all of our troops out in approx. 2 years. There's no need for us to keep 50,000 troops in Iraq. No need to maintain 60-70,000 in Afghanistan. Especially until 2014. We went to war to get Osama Bin Laden not to rid the universe of every terrorist ever. That would be the most impossible task ever and the greatest waste of human life and financial resources known to man. We need complete withdrawal of all troops from both countries in 2 years. If we can do it in Vietnam when we were still fighting large scale battles towards the end, then we can do it in Iraq where we're basically just policing the joint and Afghanistan where we're running individual search and destroy missions. There's absolutely no reason to keep troops engaged indefinitely.

Obama's been a major disappointment because of his unwillingness to fight the GOP as hard as the Left and because on many occasions he has been just as bad as the GOP about kissing corporate asses. He deserves a LOT of the criticism he receives here and elsewhere.

The media may sensationalize his actions in a way that makes it appear Obama is picking fights with us, but in many ways yeah they have regardless of media spin. Robert Gibbs coming out and making insulting remarks... Obama himself taking shots proves it's not just the media causing these issues. I know Gore wants harmony on our side but honestly, that goes both ways and good luck.

Since after all if the left asks the President for anything his supporters call us whiners and throw the pony comment around or try to lump us in with Teabaggers. We're a constituency as well. Just because we're covered in the media in a degrading light while teabaggers are made to be heroes doesn't mean our causes are somehow invalid and unworthy of listening to. Obama runs that "make me do things" meme out there often so we speak out and say what we want... and are roundly ignored practically every time out. Does Al Gore believe that the media makes Obama ignore us? Do they twist his arm and control his Presidency?

I think not.

Rp
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  -Al Gores Rolling Stone Article How The Corporate Media Turns The Left Against Democrats TomCADem  Jun-22-11 10:13 PM   #0 
  - Thanks for posting.  Samantha   Jun-22-11 10:26 PM   #1 
  - Bottom Line; We Dems have to be smarter ...  AllTooEasy   Jun-23-11 01:40 PM   #30 
  - Let's keep this info out there  FirstLight   Jun-22-11 10:27 PM   #2 
  - K/R  CakeGrrl   Jun-22-11 10:33 PM   #3 
  - I gave your identical OP in GD a rec, but it's still at 0. I also gave this one, up to +13 now.  Electric Monk   Jun-22-11 10:43 PM   #4 
  - That says a lot. Some people really like the "Obama failed" meme and push it as often and hard as  Pirate Smile   Jun-23-11 08:28 AM   #16 
  - That's because they're...  ClassWarrior   Jun-24-11 07:09 PM   #75 
  - I damn sure rec'd it. Because it's true  Number23   Jun-23-11 07:53 PM   #52 
  - Fortunatly, Corporate media don't appear here.  Ozymanithrax   Jun-22-11 10:43 PM   #5 
  - Well said nt  The Eagle 718   Jun-25-11 08:51 PM   #79 
  - +1  stevedeshazer   Jun-22-11 10:55 PM   #6 
  - EXCELLENT  mzmolly   Jun-22-11 11:21 PM   #7 
  - The media ain't our friend.......  FrenchieCat   Jun-23-11 01:38 AM   #8 
  - ++1  flamingdem   Jun-23-11 03:15 PM   #35 
     - +2 n/t  politicasista   Jun-25-11 08:45 PM   #78 
  - Well it's like the day Weiner resigne, and the media shut off Pelosi's press conference because...  Armstead   Jun-23-11 02:04 AM   #9 
  - I blame Dem leaders & wealthy Dem citizens for failing to commit to creating  StarsInHerHair   Jun-23-11 02:32 AM   #10 
  - You mean like Current TV? Go to their website and send an email  tblue37   Jun-23-11 11:12 AM   #21 
     - what does a small tv channel not easily available do but underline how the  StarsInHerHair   Jun-24-11 12:27 AM   #62 
  - K&R Thanks! Very well-written article from Al Gore. n/t  Mimosa   Jun-23-11 02:37 AM   #11 
  - K&R for abiding truth n/t  Denzil_DC   Jun-23-11 04:41 AM   #12 
  - While the media does play a part in trying to pit the left versus Democrats...  MessiahRp   Jun-23-11 06:42 AM   #13 
  - Why do the most prolific criticizers curl up in the fetal position when criticized?  great white snark   Jun-23-11 07:08 AM   #14 
  - I don't curl up in the fetal position, I get louder.  MessiahRp   Jun-23-11 08:20 AM   #15 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-23-11 08:46 PM   #56 
        - You can keep trying to cram those numbers down everyone's throats all day long.  MessiahRp   Jun-23-11 11:48 PM   #60 
  - I haven't read the article yet, but I just want to express my appreciation to MessiahRp  bertman   Jun-23-11 12:59 PM   #25 
     - FYI: Founder and sink is the usual idiom. n/t  xocet   Jun-23-11 02:35 PM   #33 
        - seems to me, it could go either way  hfojvt   Jun-23-11 03:16 PM   #36 
        - Interesting, hfojvt. Thanks for that. I learned a new word meaning today!  bertman   Jun-23-11 03:49 PM   #41 
        - I suppose that you could be right: I have always thought of it as a pleonastic idiom....  xocet   Jun-23-11 08:44 PM   #55 
        - Leave it to a fisherman to use 'flounder' instead of 'founder'. Thanks, xocet.  bertman   Jun-23-11 03:47 PM   #38 
           - No problem - just the other day someone on the internet taught me the word subnivean....  xocet   Jun-23-11 08:55 PM   #57 
  - kicked  Blue_Tires   Jun-23-11 08:41 AM   #17 
  - In the article, Gore predicts that his criticism would be taken out of context to attack Obama.  JoePhilly   Jun-23-11 08:54 AM   #18 
  - Excellent article!! K&R  Greybnk48   Jun-23-11 08:58 AM   #19 
  - K & R n/t  glinda   Jun-23-11 10:57 AM   #20 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Jun-23-11 11:36 AM   #22 
  - Rec. The left and the dems united in 2012 please  flamingdem   Jun-23-11 12:07 PM   #23 
  - Wasn't that the point of the article?  wysimdnwyg   Jun-23-11 12:28 PM   #24 
  - The headlines made it appear that the article was about Gore attacking Obama.  pnwmom   Jun-23-11 04:30 PM   #47 
  - I just wish it was ONLY the media that turned the left against Democrats  paulkienitz   Jun-23-11 01:01 PM   #26 
  - Very Good, Thanks  RedEarth   Jun-23-11 01:15 PM   #27 
  - The degree of distortion is amply demonstrated by CorpoMedia's  annabanana   Jun-23-11 01:18 PM   #28 
  - MSM also reports on conflicts within the GOP  Enrique   Jun-23-11 01:31 PM   #29 
  - They didn't address what the majority of this essay was about, a critique of the corporate media.  Uncle Joe   Jun-23-11 04:29 PM   #45 
  - If it was all just about "feelings", I might agree,  bvar22   Jun-23-11 02:22 PM   #31 
  - I agree, bvar but this is referring specifically to the focus of their coverage of Gore's essay;  Uncle Joe   Jun-23-11 02:34 PM   #32 
  - Not really  Kall   Jun-23-11 02:56 PM   #34 
  - SOP: Separate the candidate from their base  KurtNYC   Jun-23-11 03:18 PM   #37 
  - Marking to read later....  BrklynLiberal   Jun-23-11 03:48 PM   #39 
  - It works here on DU. nt  demosincebirth   Jun-23-11 03:49 PM   #40 
  - I bought it. I'll ba far more skeptical from now on out.  Gregorian   Jun-23-11 08:24 PM   #53 
  - Lets give ourselves more credit  randr   Jun-23-11 03:59 PM   #42 
  - Spoken like a good Republican. n/t  pnwmom   Jun-23-11 04:31 PM   #48 
  - You mean corporate media did what you did with this OP?  Jakes Progress   Jun-23-11 04:14 PM   #43 
  - +1 --  defendandprotect   Jun-24-11 10:22 AM   #65 
     - Gore actually gives a peek behind the DC curtains.  Jakes Progress   Jun-24-11 01:58 PM   #68 
  - Well, you have to give the Democrats some credit for helping turn the left against them  nichomachus   Jun-23-11 04:17 PM   #44 
  - great post.. this REALLY pisses me off  BREMPRO   Jun-23-11 04:29 PM   #46 
  - Great Post - Thank you  RhodaA   Jun-23-11 05:31 PM   #49 
  - Good call.  wakemewhenitsover   Jun-23-11 07:37 PM   #50 
  - Great point. They do give Republicans a free pass over and over.  Overseas   Jun-23-11 07:39 PM   #51 
  - Peeps, I for one have been an O. critic. Disappointed like a  davidwparker   Jun-23-11 08:41 PM   #54 
  - Evidently you missed PAGE 6, where Gore discusses Obama ...  defendandprotect   Jun-23-11 09:48 PM   #58 
  - Gore Spends Most Of Time Discussing Facts Of Climate Change and Corporate Media  TomCADem   Jun-23-11 11:22 PM   #59 
  - +1  OhioBlue   Jun-24-11 12:22 AM   #61 
  - Gore also criticizes Obama -- which is what the original OP correctly stated ...  defendandprotect   Jun-24-11 10:04 AM   #64 
  - kr  defendandprotect   Jun-24-11 09:53 AM   #63 
  - Obama is an individual, most of Gore's message targets our dysfunctional institutions, primarily  Uncle Joe   Jun-24-11 11:53 AM   #67 
     - Think we're going to have to have a wider discussion of Page 6 and recommend more read it !!  defendandprotect   Jun-24-11 04:04 PM   #70 
        - I don't have anything against that so long as the other six pages are read as well.  Uncle Joe   Jun-24-11 04:06 PM   #71 
           - Certainly everyone should read page 2 -- where Gore discusses the "climate crisis" ...  defendandprotect   Jun-24-11 04:25 PM   #73 
  - That actually says more about the "left" than the media. And he's right.  Phx_Dem   Jun-24-11 10:24 AM   #66 
  - The left doesn't control the corporate media and Gore's primary criticism is against the media.  Uncle Joe   Jun-24-11 02:05 PM   #69 
     - Actually, what Gore is talking about is the reality of fascism taking over our government ...  defendandprotect   Jun-24-11 04:10 PM   #72 
        - Yes but as the original title and bulk of the Rolling Stone Essay alludes to  Uncle Joe   Jun-24-11 04:55 PM   #74 
           - The root cause is candidates willing to sell themselves for corporate money ....  defendandprotect   Jun-25-11 02:34 AM   #76 
              - Which would be greatly reduced if the public square weren't dysfunctional.  Uncle Joe   Jun-27-11 10:39 AM   #82 
  - The Democratic party doesn't need the media to turn the left against it. The Democratic party  Exilednight   Jun-25-11 07:27 AM   #77 
     - "Blame Democrats and Give Republicans a Free Pass."  TomCADem   Jun-25-11 09:50 PM   #80 
        - I can't speak for the entire left end of the spectrum, but the Democratic party left  Exilednight   Jun-25-11 09:59 PM   #81 
 

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