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| 117. Here are a few more links for you, including documents from |
| -Openly Gay Congressman Jared Polis (D-CO) Defends Obama: The Best President Ever On LGBT Issues |
Tx4obama |
Jun-18-11 06:12 PM |
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But Choi said he was the WORST ever! |
CakeGrrl |
Jun-18-11 06:24 PM |
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Choi is rapidly becoming the new Cindy Sheehan |
BluegrassDem |
Jun-18-11 06:36 PM |
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+1 |
krawhitham |
Jun-18-11 08:50 PM |
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Not becoming... |
jefferson_dem |
Jun-18-11 10:31 PM |
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His lack of an oompa loompa has finally driven him over the edge. n/t |
QC |
Jun-18-11 11:50 PM |
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I know! Why can't he just give it a rest? |
Very_Boring_Name |
Jun-19-11 03:09 AM |
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In the sense that both are individuals who have been screwed over |
Union Scribe |
Jun-20-11 11:59 PM |
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No shit. If he's so unhappy with Obama, don't fucking vote for him. |
Phx_Dem |
Jun-21-11 11:57 AM |
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Link please. |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-18-11 06:49 PM |
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Here is the link |
SadPanda |
Jun-18-11 07:43 PM |
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Relative to his promises. Very diferent statment. |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-18-11 08:13 PM |
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We're talking about his promises to the LGBT community (politically). |
vaberella |
Jun-18-11 08:20 PM |
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He promised all of the following, none of which has happened yet |
dsc |
Jun-18-11 10:57 PM |
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It didn't seem that was what the poster was speaking about. |
vaberella |
Jun-18-11 11:29 PM |
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it is relevent to judging Choi's statement |
dsc |
Jun-18-11 11:36 PM |
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Wow...I didn't even know this. Jesus. |
vaberella |
Jun-18-11 08:18 PM |
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Look at the date. It's a tweet from 11/17/2010. It's old news. n/t |
TriMera |
Jun-18-11 10:13 PM |
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You make a good point but it's still valid. |
vaberella |
Jun-18-11 11:27 PM |
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It's not a matter of timeliness, it's about the persistent attitude. |
CakeGrrl |
Jun-19-11 02:14 AM |
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Choi did not like Obama, that is why Choi had Obama discharged |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-20-11 10:55 AM |
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DADT is almost two decades old |
ruggerson |
Jun-18-11 08:39 PM |
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And President Clinton... |
polmaven |
Jun-19-11 08:15 AM |
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Right, because before Clinton became president gays could openly serve, right? |
StevieM |
Jun-19-11 01:06 AM |
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Clinton was against same-sex marriage |
mkultra |
Jun-20-11 08:33 AM |
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K&R, two of the big four of LGBT issues I hoped this President would do are done. |
stevenleser |
Jun-18-11 06:59 PM |
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Somebody forgot to notify the press. |
TriMera |
Jun-18-11 07:03 PM |
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Jun-18-11 07:07 PM |
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If totally inaccurate crap is all you can post, then snark is what |
TriMera |
Jun-18-11 07:12 PM |
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Jun-18-11 07:21 PM |
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I didn't say anything about the President. I was commenting |
TriMera |
Jun-18-11 07:27 PM |
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Jun-18-11 07:33 PM |
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no it isn't 100% right |
dsc |
Jun-18-11 07:32 PM |
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See my #14 |
stevenleser |
Jun-18-11 07:33 PM |
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DOMA isn't gone |
dsc |
Jun-18-11 07:20 PM |
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See my #14 |
stevenleser |
Jun-18-11 07:33 PM |
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Your #14 is gone. |
Vanje |
Jun-19-11 12:53 AM |
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DOMA is not gone |
Number23 |
Jun-18-11 07:23 PM |
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Jun-18-11 07:39 PM |
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It's hard to understand because there's no logic to it |
Number23 |
Jun-18-11 07:47 PM |
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This is the new lie of the week. DOMA is not being enforced. |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-20-11 11:01 AM |
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DOMA is still very much the law of the land |
ruggerson |
Jun-18-11 07:45 PM |
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Why does anyone think Obama will or can or might bring about nationwide marriage equality? |
Unvanguard |
Jun-18-11 09:09 PM |
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Doma is nt gone and DADT is not quite done yet. |
Marrah_G |
Jun-18-11 10:17 PM |
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I don't expect the President to do away with DOMA |
customerserviceguy |
Jun-18-11 10:35 PM |
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Yeah, Obama's Supreme Court appointments are really important, and worthy of note. |
Unvanguard |
Jun-18-11 10:37 PM |
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The only problem has been with Kagan |
customerserviceguy |
Jun-18-11 10:43 PM |
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The Republicans asked her about her involvement in Gill v. OPM. |
Unvanguard |
Jun-18-11 10:45 PM |
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Well, if the Gill case comes up first |
customerserviceguy |
Jun-18-11 10:53 PM |
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I don't think it will make that much difference with Kennedy in terms of persuasion. |
Unvanguard |
Jun-18-11 11:00 PM |
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"Some progressives have said he is too weak on LGBT issues." |
Number23 |
Jun-18-11 07:22 PM |
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Agree!!! n/t |
RKP5637 |
Jun-18-11 08:32 PM |
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President Obama |
ProSense |
Jun-18-11 07:33 PM |
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I think that's the biggest deal most people aren't getting. |
vaberella |
Jun-18-11 08:24 PM |
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Well said!!! I agree!!! n/t |
RKP5637 |
Jun-18-11 08:34 PM |
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+100 |
young but wise |
Jun-18-11 09:55 PM |
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I think the fair appraisal lies somewhere in the middle |
ruggerson |
Jun-18-11 08:18 PM |
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+ Infinity---as always Ruggerson. |
vaberella |
Jun-18-11 08:26 PM |
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This. Good post. |
Unvanguard |
Jun-18-11 09:13 PM |
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It's true that the world is a far different place in terms of attitudes toward gays... |
DrToast |
Jun-18-11 09:37 PM |
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Dan Choi is a political activist |
ruggerson |
Jun-18-11 09:43 PM |
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I understand |
DrToast |
Jun-18-11 09:52 PM |
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There are over 1400 rights and protections that heterosexual |
TriMera |
Jun-18-11 10:21 PM |
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You're misrepresenting what I said... |
DrToast |
Jun-18-11 10:30 PM |
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Where did you hear there are 1400? |
OhioBlue |
Jun-18-11 11:31 PM |
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Here's a link to get you started ... |
Tx4obama |
Jun-19-11 02:12 AM |
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thank you!! |
OhioBlue |
Jun-19-11 09:57 PM |
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Here are a few more links for you, including documents from |
TriMera |
Jun-19-11 02:52 PM |
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He alienates allies and seems unstable. He provides an assist to Republicans by continually pushing |
Pirate Smile |
Jun-18-11 10:25 PM |
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I have to say ---he definitely turns me off. |
vaberella |
Jun-18-11 11:33 PM |
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Jun-19-11 12:23 AM |
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well said |
dsc |
Jun-18-11 09:49 PM |
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Did you see the NYT article re Obama "evolving" on Gay Marriage: |
Pirate Smile |
Jun-18-11 11:21 PM |
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It's almost certainly wishful thinking, but I've been hoping he'll seize on the victory in NY. |
Unvanguard |
Jun-18-11 11:37 PM |
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I don't think it is wishful thinking. There are multiple quotes in the article essentially |
Pirate Smile |
Jun-19-11 12:24 AM |
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I guess we'll see. But I wouldn't bet on it. |
Unvanguard |
Jun-19-11 02:58 AM |
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Duplicate. n/t |
Unvanguard |
Jun-19-11 02:58 AM |
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Yes |
Vanje |
Jun-19-11 12:25 AM |
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Honestly i think that its unreasonable to expect these changes in the first term |
mkultra |
Jun-20-11 08:42 AM |
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"anything close to this much of an advocate"... Funny wording. |
ScreamingMeemie |
Jun-18-11 08:28 PM |
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I have trouble faulting Obama on LGBT Issues, but then I remember the 50's. I also |
RKP5637 |
Jun-18-11 08:29 PM |
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That may well be the case, but it's setting the bar rather low, don't you think? |
Unvanguard |
Jun-18-11 09:05 PM |
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Agreed |
ruggerson |
Jun-18-11 09:11 PM |
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Politically, he doesn't oppose marriage equality |
WonderGrunion |
Jun-19-11 07:16 AM |
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No. His current official position is that he supports civil unions, not marriage equality |
ruggerson |
Jun-19-11 01:14 PM |
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Good for him. |
Behind the Aegis |
Jun-18-11 09:11 PM |
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Jun-18-11 09:36 PM |
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Jun-18-11 11:54 PM |
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Hey, you should write to Obama's '08 money people and say |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-20-11 11:16 AM |
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No one is saying that his beliefs aren't a step in the right direction... |
Fearless |
Jun-19-11 12:37 AM |
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Obama quote |
Tx4obama |
Jun-19-11 01:01 AM |
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Yes, that is what I'm saying... |
Fearless |
Jun-19-11 01:27 AM |
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Jun-19-11 01:20 AM |
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Because he's the president of ALL Americans not just some. |
Fearless |
Jun-19-11 01:25 AM |
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Jun-19-11 01:27 AM |
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Just because discrimination happens to a small group doesn't mean that it's right. |
Fearless |
Jun-19-11 01:31 AM |
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Jun-19-11 01:35 AM |
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Plantations making a profit affected more people than enslavement did but... |
Fearless |
Jun-19-11 01:44 AM |
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Jun-19-11 01:49 AM |
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No laws prevent gays from being fired in most states. |
Fearless |
Jun-19-11 02:02 AM |
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Your analysis of the issue is both pragmatic and sensible. n/t |
QC |
Jun-19-11 01:35 AM |
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Very much so. If you do the math, it's such a small group and other groups are larger with more... |
Safetykitten |
Jun-19-11 01:36 AM |
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If the group is so small and insignificant why not just give us what we want... would it hurt? |
Fearless |
Jun-19-11 01:45 AM |
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Political capital is a finite thing. We have to use it sparingly. |
Safetykitten |
Jun-19-11 01:51 AM |
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Human rights are not a political game. |
Fearless |
Jun-19-11 02:06 AM |
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If our numbers are so insignificant then why is Obama working so hard |
justiceischeap |
Jun-19-11 08:58 AM |
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(Pssssssst. She was paraphrasing that homophobic pile of shit in GD |
QC |
Jun-19-11 09:02 AM |
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Thanks, I obviously didn't read the thread correctly. :) nt |
justiceischeap |
Jun-19-11 09:23 AM |
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Who cares about inequality as long as those being discriminated |
tekisui |
Jun-19-11 10:40 AM |
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Pragmatic, sensible, AND ... |
Vanje |
Jun-19-11 10:38 AM |
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It's hard to tell if you're being ironic or ruthlessly pragmatic n/t |
Azathoth |
Jun-19-11 02:05 AM |
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She was quoting a homophobic article that was posted hours ago in GD |
QC |
Jun-19-11 02:08 AM |
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Ah, thanks. I saw the quotes but there was no indication where it came from n/t |
Azathoth |
Jun-19-11 02:12 AM |
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It's wonderfully ironic, isn't it, that the person who actually believes these hateful things |
QC |
Jun-19-11 02:30 AM |
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You are right, Obama IS the best president EVER on LGBT*.* issues... |
justiceischeap |
Jun-19-11 07:03 AM |
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The problem with the whole enchilada is a generational gap involved |
Harmony Blue |
Jun-19-11 08:09 AM |
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I agree, it is MOSTLY a generational issue, that said (R) Senator Roy McDonald |
justiceischeap |
Jun-19-11 08:27 AM |
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Awesome post. |
jefferson_dem |
Jun-19-11 08:15 AM |
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Thanks! nt |
justiceischeap |
Jun-19-11 08:27 AM |
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No Democrat has stood up on the issue? |
great white snark |
Jun-19-11 09:32 AM |
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If the Democratic party as a whole, stood up and said, we demand equality now |
justiceischeap |
Jun-19-11 09:47 AM |
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Ok. |
great white snark |
Jun-19-11 09:53 AM |
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+1. It's pretty easy to be the best when every other President did nothing. |
Dawgs |
Jun-19-11 09:37 AM |
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Good, then Obama will set the standard. |
great white snark |
Jun-19-11 10:03 AM |
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Best so far with more work to be done. |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-19-11 12:25 PM |
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I think that's a great summary. nt |
Union Scribe |
Jun-21-11 12:02 AM |
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That's a very pragmatic view. |
ImNotTed |
Jun-19-11 12:33 PM |
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Not to mention "practical" |
ImNotTed |
Jun-20-11 12:43 AM |
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Obama has done alot for LBGT. It's other |
craigmatic |
Jun-19-11 03:29 PM |
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Like which ones? |
FrenchieCat |
Jun-20-11 12:10 AM |
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Record deportations of immigrants who entered without inspection for one. |
tekisui |
Jun-20-11 09:46 AM |
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When compared with previous presidents, I would agree.. |
and-justice-for-all |
Jun-20-11 10:27 AM |
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I think he is, I think that is pretty clear, |
cecilfirefox |
Jun-20-11 12:13 PM |
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Obama has been good on this issue. |
ccharles000 |
Jun-21-11 01:09 PM |
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