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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 08:39 PM
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32. DADT is almost two decades old
The "other" President that signed it into law suffered a huge defeat when he tried to open up the armed forces and let gays and lesbians serve openly. He was no saint, by any means, on LGBT issues, but DADT was a compromise forced on him by a Congress that was ready and willing to pass a binding statute that would have institutionalized the ban on all LGBT citizens from serving their country in the armed forces.

Attitudes are very, very different eighteen years later, and now the public is overwhelmingly receptive to DADT repeal across the board.
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  -Openly Gay Congressman Jared Polis (D-CO) Defends Obama: The Best President Ever On LGBT Issues Tx4obama  Jun-18-11 06:12 PM   #0 
  - But Choi said he was the WORST ever!  CakeGrrl   Jun-18-11 06:24 PM   #1 
  - Choi is rapidly becoming the new Cindy Sheehan  BluegrassDem   Jun-18-11 06:36 PM   #2 
  - +1  krawhitham   Jun-18-11 08:50 PM   #33 
  - Not becoming...  jefferson_dem   Jun-18-11 10:31 PM   #50 
  - His lack of an oompa loompa has finally driven him over the edge. n/t  QC   Jun-18-11 11:50 PM   #65 
  - I know! Why can't he just give it a rest?  Very_Boring_Name   Jun-19-11 03:09 AM   #96 
  - In the sense that both are individuals who have been screwed over  Union Scribe   Jun-20-11 11:59 PM   #130 
  - No shit. If he's so unhappy with Obama, don't fucking vote for him.  Phx_Dem   Jun-21-11 11:57 AM   #132 
  - Link please.  Bluenorthwest   Jun-18-11 06:49 PM   #3 
  - Here is the link  SadPanda   Jun-18-11 07:43 PM   #19 
     - Relative to his promises. Very diferent statment.  Bluenorthwest   Jun-18-11 08:13 PM   #22 
     - We're talking about his promises to the LGBT community (politically).  vaberella   Jun-18-11 08:20 PM   #25 
        - He promised all of the following, none of which has happened yet  dsc   Jun-18-11 10:57 PM   #56 
           - It didn't seem that was what the poster was speaking about.  vaberella   Jun-18-11 11:29 PM   #60 
              - it is relevent to judging Choi's statement  dsc   Jun-18-11 11:36 PM   #63 
     - Wow...I didn't even know this. Jesus.  vaberella   Jun-18-11 08:18 PM   #23 
        - Look at the date. It's a tweet from 11/17/2010. It's old news. n/t  TriMera   Jun-18-11 10:13 PM   #45 
        - You make a good point but it's still valid.  vaberella   Jun-18-11 11:27 PM   #59 
        - It's not a matter of timeliness, it's about the persistent attitude.  CakeGrrl   Jun-19-11 02:14 AM   #92 
        - Choi did not like Obama, that is why Choi had Obama discharged  Bluenorthwest   Jun-20-11 10:55 AM   #126 
  - DADT is almost two decades old  ruggerson   Jun-18-11 08:39 PM   #32 
  - And President Clinton...  polmaven   Jun-19-11 08:15 AM   #100 
  - Right, because before Clinton became president gays could openly serve, right?  StevieM   Jun-19-11 01:06 AM   #73 
     - Clinton was against same-sex marriage  mkultra   Jun-20-11 08:33 AM   #122 
  - K&R, two of the big four of LGBT issues I hoped this President would do are done.  stevenleser   Jun-18-11 06:59 PM   #4 
  - Somebody forgot to notify the press.  TriMera   Jun-18-11 07:03 PM   #5 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-18-11 07:07 PM   #6 
     - If totally inaccurate crap is all you can post, then snark is what  TriMera   Jun-18-11 07:12 PM   #7 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-18-11 07:21 PM   #9 
           - I didn't say anything about the President. I was commenting  TriMera   Jun-18-11 07:27 PM   #12 
           - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jun-18-11 07:33 PM   #14 
           - no it isn't 100% right  dsc   Jun-18-11 07:32 PM   #13 
              - See my #14  stevenleser   Jun-18-11 07:33 PM   #16 
  - DOMA isn't gone  dsc   Jun-18-11 07:20 PM   #8 
  - See my #14  stevenleser   Jun-18-11 07:33 PM   #17 
     - Your #14 is gone.  Vanje   Jun-19-11 12:53 AM   #71 
  - DOMA is not gone  Number23   Jun-18-11 07:23 PM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-18-11 07:39 PM   #18 
  - It's hard to understand because there's no logic to it  Number23   Jun-18-11 07:47 PM   #21 
  - This is the new lie of the week. DOMA is not being enforced.  Bluenorthwest   Jun-20-11 11:01 AM   #127 
  - DOMA is still very much the law of the land  ruggerson   Jun-18-11 07:45 PM   #20 
  - Why does anyone think Obama will or can or might bring about nationwide marriage equality?  Unvanguard   Jun-18-11 09:09 PM   #35 
  - Doma is nt gone and DADT is not quite done yet.  Marrah_G   Jun-18-11 10:17 PM   #46 
  - I don't expect the President to do away with DOMA  customerserviceguy   Jun-18-11 10:35 PM   #51 
     - Yeah, Obama's Supreme Court appointments are really important, and worthy of note.  Unvanguard   Jun-18-11 10:37 PM   #52 
        - The only problem has been with Kagan  customerserviceguy   Jun-18-11 10:43 PM   #53 
           - The Republicans asked her about her involvement in Gill v. OPM.  Unvanguard   Jun-18-11 10:45 PM   #54 
              - Well, if the Gill case comes up first  customerserviceguy   Jun-18-11 10:53 PM   #55 
                 - I don't think it will make that much difference with Kennedy in terms of persuasion.  Unvanguard   Jun-18-11 11:00 PM   #57 
  - "Some progressives have said he is too weak on LGBT issues."  Number23   Jun-18-11 07:22 PM   #10 
  - Agree!!! n/t  RKP5637   Jun-18-11 08:32 PM   #30 
  - President Obama  ProSense   Jun-18-11 07:33 PM   #15 
  - I think that's the biggest deal most people aren't getting.  vaberella   Jun-18-11 08:24 PM   #26 
  - Well said!!! I agree!!! n/t  RKP5637   Jun-18-11 08:34 PM   #31 
  - +100  young but wise   Jun-18-11 09:55 PM   #44 
  - I think the fair appraisal lies somewhere in the middle  ruggerson   Jun-18-11 08:18 PM   #24 
  - + Infinity---as always Ruggerson.  vaberella   Jun-18-11 08:26 PM   #27 
  - This. Good post.  Unvanguard   Jun-18-11 09:13 PM   #38 
  - It's true that the world is a far different place in terms of attitudes toward gays...  DrToast   Jun-18-11 09:37 PM   #40 
  - Dan Choi is a political activist  ruggerson   Jun-18-11 09:43 PM   #41 
     - I understand  DrToast   Jun-18-11 09:52 PM   #43 
     - There are over 1400 rights and protections that heterosexual  TriMera   Jun-18-11 10:21 PM   #47 
        - You're misrepresenting what I said...  DrToast   Jun-18-11 10:30 PM   #49 
        - Where did you hear there are 1400?  OhioBlue   Jun-18-11 11:31 PM   #61 
           - Here's a link to get you started ...  Tx4obama   Jun-19-11 02:12 AM   #90 
           - thank you!!  OhioBlue   Jun-19-11 09:57 PM   #119 
           - Here are a few more links for you, including documents from  TriMera   Jun-19-11 02:52 PM   #117 
     - He alienates allies and seems unstable. He provides an assist to Republicans by continually pushing  Pirate Smile   Jun-18-11 10:25 PM   #48 
        - I have to say ---he definitely turns me off.  vaberella   Jun-18-11 11:33 PM   #62 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-19-11 12:23 AM   #67 
  - well said  dsc   Jun-18-11 09:49 PM   #42 
  - Did you see the NYT article re Obama "evolving" on Gay Marriage:  Pirate Smile   Jun-18-11 11:21 PM   #58 
  - It's almost certainly wishful thinking, but I've been hoping he'll seize on the victory in NY.  Unvanguard   Jun-18-11 11:37 PM   #64 
     - I don't think it is wishful thinking. There are multiple quotes in the article essentially  Pirate Smile   Jun-19-11 12:24 AM   #68 
     - I guess we'll see. But I wouldn't bet on it.  Unvanguard   Jun-19-11 02:58 AM   #94 
     - Duplicate. n/t  Unvanguard   Jun-19-11 02:58 AM   #95 
     - Yes  Vanje   Jun-19-11 12:25 AM   #69 
  - Honestly i think that its unreasonable to expect these changes in the first term  mkultra   Jun-20-11 08:42 AM   #123 
  - "anything close to this much of an advocate"... Funny wording.  ScreamingMeemie   Jun-18-11 08:28 PM   #28 
  - I have trouble faulting Obama on LGBT Issues, but then I remember the 50's. I also  RKP5637   Jun-18-11 08:29 PM   #29 
  - That may well be the case, but it's setting the bar rather low, don't you think?  Unvanguard   Jun-18-11 09:05 PM   #34 
  - Agreed  ruggerson   Jun-18-11 09:11 PM   #36 
     - Politically, he doesn't oppose marriage equality  WonderGrunion   Jun-19-11 07:16 AM   #98 
        - No. His current official position is that he supports civil unions, not marriage equality  ruggerson   Jun-19-11 01:14 PM   #116 
  - Good for him.  Behind the Aegis   Jun-18-11 09:11 PM   #37 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jun-18-11 09:36 PM   #39 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-18-11 11:54 PM   #66 
  - Hey, you should write to Obama's '08 money people and say  Bluenorthwest   Jun-20-11 11:16 AM   #128 
  - No one is saying that his beliefs aren't a step in the right direction...  Fearless   Jun-19-11 12:37 AM   #70 
  - Obama quote  Tx4obama   Jun-19-11 01:01 AM   #72 
     - Yes, that is what I'm saying...  Fearless   Jun-19-11 01:27 AM   #76 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-19-11 01:20 AM   #74 
  - Because he's the president of ALL Americans not just some.  Fearless   Jun-19-11 01:25 AM   #75 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-19-11 01:27 AM   #77 
     - Just because discrimination happens to a small group doesn't mean that it's right.  Fearless   Jun-19-11 01:31 AM   #78 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-19-11 01:35 AM   #80 
           - Plantations making a profit affected more people than enslavement did but...  Fearless   Jun-19-11 01:44 AM   #82 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-19-11 01:49 AM   #84 
                 - No laws prevent gays from being fired in most states.  Fearless   Jun-19-11 02:02 AM   #86 
  - Your analysis of the issue is both pragmatic and sensible. n/t  QC   Jun-19-11 01:35 AM   #79 
  - Very much so. If you do the math, it's such a small group and other groups are larger with more...  Safetykitten   Jun-19-11 01:36 AM   #81 
  - If the group is so small and insignificant why not just give us what we want... would it hurt?  Fearless   Jun-19-11 01:45 AM   #83 
  - Political capital is a finite thing. We have to use it sparingly.  Safetykitten   Jun-19-11 01:51 AM   #85 
     - Human rights are not a political game.  Fearless   Jun-19-11 02:06 AM   #88 
  - If our numbers are so insignificant then why is Obama working so hard  justiceischeap   Jun-19-11 08:58 AM   #104 
  - (Pssssssst. She was paraphrasing that homophobic pile of shit in GD  QC   Jun-19-11 09:02 AM   #105 
     - Thanks, I obviously didn't read the thread correctly. :) nt  justiceischeap   Jun-19-11 09:23 AM   #106 
  - Who cares about inequality as long as those being discriminated  tekisui   Jun-19-11 10:40 AM   #113 
  - Pragmatic, sensible, AND ...  Vanje   Jun-19-11 10:38 AM   #112 
  - It's hard to tell if you're being ironic or ruthlessly pragmatic n/t  Azathoth   Jun-19-11 02:05 AM   #87 
     - She was quoting a homophobic article that was posted hours ago in GD  QC   Jun-19-11 02:08 AM   #89 
        - Ah, thanks. I saw the quotes but there was no indication where it came from n/t  Azathoth   Jun-19-11 02:12 AM   #91 
           - It's wonderfully ironic, isn't it, that the person who actually believes these hateful things  QC   Jun-19-11 02:30 AM   #93 
  - You are right, Obama IS the best president EVER on LGBT*.* issues...  justiceischeap   Jun-19-11 07:03 AM   #97 
  - The problem with the whole enchilada is a generational gap involved  Harmony Blue   Jun-19-11 08:09 AM   #99 
  - I agree, it is MOSTLY a generational issue, that said (R) Senator Roy McDonald  justiceischeap   Jun-19-11 08:27 AM   #102 
  - Awesome post.  jefferson_dem   Jun-19-11 08:15 AM   #101 
  - Thanks! nt  justiceischeap   Jun-19-11 08:27 AM   #103 
  - No Democrat has stood up on the issue?  great white snark   Jun-19-11 09:32 AM   #107 
  - If the Democratic party as a whole, stood up and said, we demand equality now  justiceischeap   Jun-19-11 09:47 AM   #109 
     - Ok.  great white snark   Jun-19-11 09:53 AM   #110 
  - +1. It's pretty easy to be the best when every other President did nothing.  Dawgs   Jun-19-11 09:37 AM   #108 
     - Good, then Obama will set the standard.  great white snark   Jun-19-11 10:03 AM   #111 
  - Best so far with more work to be done.  AtomicKitten   Jun-19-11 12:25 PM   #114 
  - I think that's a great summary. nt  Union Scribe   Jun-21-11 12:02 AM   #131 
  - That's a very pragmatic view.  ImNotTed   Jun-19-11 12:33 PM   #115 
  - Not to mention "practical"  ImNotTed   Jun-20-11 12:43 AM   #121 
  - Obama has done alot for LBGT. It's other  craigmatic   Jun-19-11 03:29 PM   #118 
  - Like which ones?  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-11 12:10 AM   #120 
     - Record deportations of immigrants who entered without inspection for one.  tekisui   Jun-20-11 09:46 AM   #124 
  - When compared with previous presidents, I would agree..  and-justice-for-all   Jun-20-11 10:27 AM   #125 
  - I think he is, I think that is pretty clear,  cecilfirefox   Jun-20-11 12:13 PM   #129 
  - Obama has been good on this issue.  ccharles000   Jun-21-11 01:09 PM   #133 
 

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