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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:27 PM
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Pres. Obama Arguing against Mandates:
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Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 06:28 PM by amborin
"...... Whats meant by a mandate is that the government is forcing people to buy health insurance and so shes suggesting a parent is not going to buy health insurance for themselves if they can afford it. Now, my belief is that most parents will choose to get health care for themselves and we make it affordable.

Heres the concern. If you havent made it affordable, how are you going to enforce a mandate. I mean, if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house. The reason they dont buy a house is they dont have the money. And so, our focus has been on reducing costs, making it available. I am confident if people have a chance to buy high-quality health care that is affordable, they will do so. Thats what our plan does and nobody disputes that.

The problem that people resisting the mandate seem to be having is that the health care offered through the Senate bill is not completely affordable, particularly to those in the middle class, and more important, its not of high quality. As Ian Welsh notes today, the Senate bill does not have annual caps for insurance companies and has on the aggregate a 70% actuarial value, and even lower for certain key groups. Welsh notes, 100 billion in subsidies doesnt mean squat if they come tied to an expense people cant afford, making them buy insurance which is not particularly useful."



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  -Pres. Obama Arguing against Mandates: amborin  Dec-17-09 06:27 PM   #0 
  - How bout this ad that he ran against Hillary?  Laelth   Dec-17-09 06:36 PM   #1 
  - sickening hypocrisy  amborin   Dec-17-09 06:37 PM   #3 
  - Not to be snide but did you read the OP at all? n/t  Fire1   Dec-17-09 06:39 PM   #5 
  - How would it matter if I didn't?  Laelth   Dec-17-09 06:47 PM   #8 
     - Oh that's a real smart answer. n/t  Fire1   Dec-17-09 06:59 PM   #11 
     - You wouldn't have a pile of words to shovel over the pile of crap that Obama will sign into law n/t  Indenturedebtor   Dec-17-09 08:57 PM   #19 
  - I remember Obama chiding Hillary about mandates during one of the TV debates  IndianaGreen   Dec-17-09 06:40 PM   #7 
  - Yup me too.  juno jones   Dec-17-09 08:09 PM   #14 
  - I really hoped Obama wouldn't be another Clinton.  Laelth   Dec-17-09 08:13 PM   #15 
  - I listened to NPR in those years  juno jones   Dec-17-09 08:33 PM   #16 
     - You're right. This is feeling awfully familiar. n/t  Laelth   Dec-17-09 08:37 PM   #17 
  - Yeah, I pretty much gave up on politics in the 90s for that reason too.  LooseWilly   Dec-17-09 10:25 PM   #21 
  - Wow. That campaign graphic is amazing.  smalll   Dec-17-09 10:54 PM   #22 
     - Some DU members actually distributed that campaign flier last year.  Laelth   Dec-18-09 07:44 AM   #24 
  - DAMN, I wish I could rec this a thousand times! n/t  Fire1   Dec-17-09 06:36 PM   #2 
  - This is just soooooooo sad...  BlueIdaho   Dec-17-09 06:39 PM   #4 
  - I totally agree with Obama. Rec'd nt  mcablue   Dec-17-09 06:39 PM   #6 
  - Obama was being smarter than his opponents,  ProSense   Dec-17-09 06:49 PM   #9 
  - He was against the individual mandate before he was for it.  Kitsune   Dec-17-09 06:54 PM   #10 
  - Get that guy to primary the President in 2012 ...... Oh wait.... nevermind. nt  kelly1mm   Dec-17-09 07:00 PM   #12 
  - Maybe Obama changed his mind.  Vattel   Dec-17-09 07:00 PM   #13 
  - the problem with 'he changed his mind' is that he concludes  Bluenorthwest   Dec-17-09 08:47 PM   #18 
  - So what? If the mandates paid for CARE guaranteed by the government--  eridani   Dec-18-09 05:35 AM   #23 
  - The more promises are broken  SOCALS   Dec-17-09 10:19 PM   #20 
  - There is virtually no difference between the two.  Hell Hath No Fury   Dec-22-09 03:46 PM   #27 
  - And, of course, the one thing this bill does not do is reduce costs.  JDPriestly   Dec-22-09 03:42 PM   #25 
  - Obama saying he would consider mandates  ProSense   Dec-22-09 03:43 PM   #26 
  - What does "completely affordable" mean?  Jersey Devil   Dec-22-09 03:46 PM   #28 
     - How about a reasonable percentage of income? Not market rate  Armstead   Dec-22-09 03:49 PM   #29 
        - Answers we should know before beating each other over the head  Jersey Devil   Dec-22-09 03:54 PM   #30 

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