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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:03 PM
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23. Condensed version from my senator. n/t
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  -Senate version of HCR bill. Don't take ANYBODY'S word! Fire1  Dec-17-09 01:41 PM   #0 
  - Read it and weep.  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 01:44 PM   #1 
  - I did. Doesn't sound too shabby to me. n/t  Fire1   Dec-17-09 01:45 PM   #4 
     - So you are OK with a family of 4 with an income of 54,000,  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 01:51 PM   #7 
     - Exactly what paragraph is that in? eom  Fire1   Dec-17-09 01:52 PM   #8 
     - Your the one shilling this bill.  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 01:54 PM   #11 
        - Extra exclamation marks ...  RoyGBiv   Dec-17-09 01:58 PM   #17 
        - There are NO subsidies for income of 54,000.  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 02:03 PM   #22 
        - Wrong ...  RoyGBiv   Dec-17-09 02:37 PM   #50 
           - Are you counting the 4000 deductible???  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 04:04 PM   #71 
              - That's not a "deductible"  RoyGBiv   Dec-17-09 04:17 PM   #76 
              - There is a $4000 deductible .  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 04:23 PM   #80 
                 - No ...  RoyGBiv   Dec-17-09 04:28 PM   #84 
                    - Policies have a $4000 deductible for a family of 4  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 04:35 PM   #87 
                       - Provide a citation n/t  RoyGBiv   Dec-17-09 04:41 PM   #89 
                          - page 109 line 21 of the Senate bill.  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 04:48 PM   #90 
                             - Okay ...  RoyGBiv   Dec-17-09 05:20 PM   #93 
                             - it refers to the level of coverage assumed in the "exchange" as well.  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 05:31 PM   #95 
                                - Please provide a citation ...  RoyGBiv   Dec-17-09 05:36 PM   #96 
                             - Thank you! n/t  truedelphi   Dec-17-09 05:56 PM   #98 
              - Don't you get it? You can just forget about those fancy trips to Europe, and the cruises.  truedelphi   Dec-17-09 05:54 PM   #97 
        - You beat me to it! Thanks. n/t  Fire1   Dec-17-09 02:04 PM   #25 
        - I just plugged it in the calculator, which says that for a family of four with an income of $54000  bornskeptic   Dec-17-09 03:17 PM   #63 
           - OOps YOU forgot a little something!!!!  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 04:02 PM   #70 
              - If real numbers are close to even HALF that, people are going to get very angry.  closeupready   Dec-17-09 04:07 PM   #72 
                 - The $687 per month real cost to a family of 4 is LOW estimate.  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 04:09 PM   #75 
                 - Hell the 4000 deductible is enough to bankrupt alot of folks.  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 04:18 PM   #77 
                 - OMG, so you mean, low-income people have to shell out $4,000 of their own money for medical exp.  closeupready   Dec-17-09 04:27 PM   #82 
                    - Medical costs other than the "wellness care included in policy."  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 04:32 PM   #85 
                 - The real numbers aren't n/t  RoyGBiv   Dec-17-09 04:19 PM   #78 
                    - And you believe the real numbers are what?  closeupready   Dec-17-09 04:24 PM   #81 
     - According to CBO you have more than quadrupled the premium cost to the family.  Scarsdale Vibe   Dec-17-09 02:29 PM   #46 
        - Using your numbers, that same family could pay 9000 for 5000 of health care.  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 04:20 PM   #79 
        - I don't see anything in the CBO document that says 'capped'  enlightenment   Dec-17-09 05:00 PM   #91 
     - THIS ISN'T THE WHOLE BILL - it is a summary bill put out by the Senate - it is a propaganda piece  debbierlus   Dec-17-09 01:53 PM   #10 
        - How can it be a propaganda piece? PEOPLE CAN READ!!  Fire1   Dec-17-09 02:00 PM   #19 
           - They should read the whole thing, not bits and pieces.  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 02:06 PM   #27 
              - The essential parts of the bill relevant to all segments of the  Fire1   Dec-17-09 02:11 PM   #34 
                 - Put out by someone shilling for the bill to pass. you know, like a commercial;!!!  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 02:14 PM   #38 
                    - Sorry but I read and comprehend very well. If you want to call  Fire1   Dec-17-09 02:17 PM   #41 
  - Yeah, because God knows, our Senators won't actually read it, either.  closeupready   Dec-17-09 01:44 PM   #2 
  - There doesn't seem to be a section covering Corporate Welfare payments to fat CEO's and investors..  Ozymanithrax   Dec-17-09 01:45 PM   #3 
  - This is a summary bill, not the bill  debbierlus   Dec-17-09 01:45 PM   #5 
  - This is much easier to read and not nearly as long. n/t  Fire1   Dec-17-09 01:56 PM   #14 
     - Nor as complete, and this is put out to Push the bill.  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 02:07 PM   #29 
        - And from what I've read I see nothing wrong with that or the bill.  Fire1   Dec-17-09 02:09 PM   # 
           - You're reading a "puff' peice to push the bill, are you nutz?  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 02:12 PM   #36 
              - Why do you not trust people to read and decide for  Fire1   Dec-17-09 02:30 PM   #47 
  - Listen up - just read the very first two provisions.  closeupready   Dec-17-09 01:50 PM   #6 
  - Yup, complete cupitulation to the whims of the industry.  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 01:53 PM   #9 
  - misrepresentation is self explanatory; i.e. if you LIE about  Fire1   Dec-17-09 01:55 PM   #12 
     - The legislation does NOT say that.  closeupready   Dec-17-09 01:57 PM   #15 
     - If you saw Sicko, you know that some people who fail to inform about yeast infections are  closeupready   Dec-17-09 01:58 PM   #16 
     - If you read closely, it says CANNOT BE RESCINDED for  Fire1   Dec-17-09 02:02 PM   #21 
        - You answer that - you seem to support this language  closeupready   Dec-17-09 02:10 PM   #32 
           - At least they will not have to lie about pre existing conditions.  Fire1   Dec-17-09 02:21 PM   #42 
     - You're being woefully naive  Prism   Dec-17-09 02:17 PM   #40 
        - What part of "cannot be rescinded" do you not understand?  Fire1   Dec-17-09 02:22 PM   #43 
        - What part of 'cannot be rescinded except in cases of misrepresentation' do YOU not understand?  closeupready   Dec-17-09 02:24 PM   #44 
        - I think you need to read what I said again  Prism   Dec-17-09 02:35 PM   #49 
           - They could continue that SAME misrepresentation with a  Fire1   Dec-17-09 02:45 PM   #54 
              - Which has what to do with it?  Prism   Dec-17-09 03:12 PM   #62 
        - If that's the case then that same clause could be put in the  Fire1   Dec-17-09 02:42 PM   #53 
           - What are you talking about when you claim there is a "public option"?  closeupready   Dec-17-09 02:45 PM   #55 
              - IF, there was a public option. eom  Fire1   Dec-17-09 02:46 PM   #57 
  - Section 2719 - Appeals Process.  closeupready   Dec-17-09 01:56 PM   #13 
  - But joe will not be mean!  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 02:10 PM   #33 
  - Get real. n/t  Fire1   Dec-17-09 02:32 PM   #48 
  - Bingo!  grahamhgreen   Dec-17-09 04:09 PM   #74 
  - FULL PDF OF BILL HERE  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 01:59 PM   #18 
  - Wow I didn't realize that the Senate bill was only 56 pages long!  cherokeeprogressive   Dec-17-09 02:02 PM   #20 
  - Condensed version from my senator. n/t  Fire1   Dec-17-09 02:03 PM   #23 
  - "Your Senator, who is shilling for the bill.  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 02:09 PM   #31 
     - Then I'll put it like this. I trust my senator and after reading this  Fire1   Dec-17-09 02:14 PM   #39 
  - It's not, silly.  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 02:03 PM   #24 
     - Guess that little sarcasm thingie IS really necessary sometimes... n/t  cherokeeprogressive   Dec-17-09 02:05 PM   #26 
        - Especially after the misrepresentations I've seen lately. eom  Fire1   Dec-17-09 02:06 PM   #28 
        - Sorry I should have seen who you were.  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 02:08 PM   #30 
           - Ouch!  cherokeeprogressive   Dec-17-09 02:11 PM   #35 
              - No bomb intended.  MNDemNY   Dec-17-09 02:13 PM   #37 
  - OK, so.....  Sebastian Doyle   Dec-17-09 02:27 PM   #45 
  - Dean supports the bill.  Scarsdale Vibe   Dec-17-09 02:41 PM   #52 
     - No he does not.  Sebastian Doyle   Dec-17-09 02:45 PM   #56 
  - False advertising. This is not the text of the bill.  freddie mertz   Dec-17-09 02:40 PM   #51 
  - Then perhaps you can enlighten us as to where we might  Fire1   Dec-17-09 02:49 PM   #58 
     - You made the claim, not me. It's your responsibility to tell the truth.  freddie mertz   Dec-17-09 02:53 PM   #59 
        - YOU made the claim that this was false advertising. I didn't  Fire1   Dec-17-09 03:02 PM   #60 
           - I clicked on your link. Says right there.  freddie mertz   Dec-17-09 03:04 PM   #61 
              - Absolutely! Never said it wasn't. It is a summary as I described  Fire1   Dec-17-09 03:28 PM   #65 
                 - I was responding to your (unedited) OP.  freddie mertz   Dec-17-09 03:49 PM   #67 
                    - Oh, pardon me. Coming from a senator's office I incorrectly  Fire1   Dec-17-09 03:52 PM   #68 
                       - Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.  freddie mertz   Dec-17-09 03:57 PM   #69 
  - You really should ask that this thread be locked.  kiva   Dec-17-09 03:28 PM   #64 
  - I've said repeatedly that this is a condensed version of the HCR  Fire1   Dec-17-09 03:45 PM   #66 
     - Read my post again. I did not say that the mods should lock  kiva   Dec-17-09 05:07 PM   #92 
  - "Sec. 2712. Prohibition on rescissions." - How this will be gamed by big insurance lawyers  grahamhgreen   Dec-17-09 04:08 PM   #73 
  - Michael Moore's "Sicko" demonstrated that this is how things work already.  closeupready   Dec-17-09 04:28 PM   #83 
  - As far as that's concerned ANY amendment to ANY reform  Fire1   Dec-17-09 04:33 PM   #86 
     - Make for profit insurance illegal for basic coverage as it is in civilized countries.  grahamhgreen   Dec-18-09 02:52 AM   #100 
  - This seems like an obvious loophole  TheKentuckian   Dec-17-09 04:40 PM   #88 
  - This bill fails for one glaring simple reason!  Garam_Masala   Dec-17-09 05:22 PM   #94 
  - + a billion or so!  grahamhgreen   Dec-18-09 02:56 AM   #101 
  - That is not the bill  Bluenorthwest   Dec-17-09 06:01 PM   #99 
 

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