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Wed May-18-11 12:32 AM
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an African father and not an African-American father. I can't help but think that's what his "otherness" with some black folks is about, and wonder if they might not be so over the top harsh, if his family's background was historically similar.
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| -Melissa Harris-Perry on Cornel West:"self-aggrandizing, victimology sermon deceptively wrapped in.." |
Pirate Smile |
May-17-11 02:39 PM |
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Huge k and r. |
Kdillard |
May-17-11 02:42 PM |
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Hi. I'm replying here because this is a really good letter to Sully I wanted to post in this thread. |
Pirate Smile |
May-17-11 06:54 PM |
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Thank you. Great read that hit the nail on the head. |
Kdillard |
May-17-11 08:38 PM |
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Ooo, excellent post, along with the OP...glad you're posting it as a stand-alone. |
BlancheSplanchnik |
May-18-11 08:49 AM |
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This whole TCK thing |
nonperson |
May-18-11 01:47 PM |
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Well, that's not the argument West is making. |
Kind of Blue |
May-18-11 05:45 PM |
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Two increasingly irrelevant assholes who no longer speak for my community. |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-17-11 02:44 PM |
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May-17-11 02:54 PM |
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Deal in hyperbole much? Where did I say "only Obama". Reading |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-17-11 03:20 PM |
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nope, but Obama is more popular among most black people than |
JI7 |
May-17-11 04:05 PM |
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Agreed |
EC |
May-17-11 03:00 PM |
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Yeap, few if ANY listen to Tavis because of his tantrum...he can't even point to anything else being |
uponit7771 |
May-17-11 03:02 PM |
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Amen ! |
jaysunb |
May-17-11 06:26 PM |
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This whole Cornell vs. Obama BS has been illuminating |
Number23 |
May-17-11 07:26 PM |
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"he has lost his damn mind". |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-17-11 09:45 PM |
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Melissa Harris-Perry called him a birther because of that (on Ed's Show). She said he is essentially |
Pirate Smile |
May-17-11 10:09 PM |
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I'll have to TIVO the replay, unless someone posts a video here. |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-17-11 10:43 PM |
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It's strange to me, too, because Cornel is friends with Michael Lerner. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-17-11 10:24 PM |
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Ditto! Whenever I hear Tavis' voice these days, I can't reach the tuner |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-17-11 10:39 PM |
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Next time you can stomach to hear him, count the number of times he says "right quick" |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-18-11 09:32 PM |
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"Has he always sounded so anti-semitic?" |
Number23 |
May-17-11 11:00 PM |
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BRILLIANT!! You are speaking for me, here, too! This is exactly how I feel... |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-17-11 10:22 PM |
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His self importance go the best of him. Too bad for West, he is the loser in this broohaha. |
Pisces |
May-18-11 11:35 AM |
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Man, you hit the nail on head no doubt. I'm thrown back, it's like it's a movie or something. The... |
uponit7771 |
May-18-11 12:12 PM |
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K & R! |
young but wise |
May-17-11 02:55 PM |
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Well done. |
jaxx |
May-17-11 02:56 PM |
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"....Furthermore, West’s sense of betrayal is clearly more personal than ideological..." |
uponit7771 |
May-17-11 03:00 PM |
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Oh, SNAP! |
frazzled |
May-17-11 03:08 PM |
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What's odd is that they threw their support behind Hillary Clinton after that |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-17-11 10:26 PM |
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May-17-11 03:18 PM |
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Prof West can be entertaining, but Melissa's argument is solid and trustworthy. |
AtomicKitten |
May-17-11 03:23 PM |
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I said it in that other thread and will repeat. |
OKNancy |
May-17-11 03:41 PM |
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The comparison of him to Gingrich as "intellectuals" is particularly cutting. |
Pirate Smile |
May-17-11 04:22 PM |
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"He is just as bad as Dinesh D'Souza." |
liberation |
May-18-11 10:29 AM |
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Good lord that was satisfying. |
Sheepshank |
May-17-11 03:43 PM |
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LOL Indeed! |
Solomon |
May-18-11 09:50 AM |
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K&R... |
These Eyes |
May-17-11 03:44 PM |
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agreed.. don't understand why people put him on a pedestal.. he really is just vindictive, not |
BREMPRO |
May-18-11 10:49 AM |
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Absolutely Correct! |
Kind of Blue |
May-17-11 03:47 PM |
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K&R! THANK YOU, Melissa Harris-Perry! n/t |
jenmito |
May-17-11 03:48 PM |
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ha! sounds like a huge arsehole. |
Whisp |
May-17-11 03:53 PM |
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"and do it East as well". |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-17-11 04:22 PM |
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Methinks Cornel West is threatened by a charismatic man of action |
CakeGrrl |
May-17-11 04:05 PM |
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Obama makes him and Smiley irrelevant relics of the past. |
Solomon |
May-18-11 09:53 AM |
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and she's his colleague |
tishaLA |
May-17-11 04:09 PM |
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For those who are thoughtful.....they already understood what Melissa Harris-Perry is writing about |
FrenchieCat |
May-17-11 04:34 PM |
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Thanks, Frenchie. |
elleng |
May-17-11 04:53 PM |
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Well said ! |
jaysunb |
May-17-11 06:29 PM |
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LOVE HER! |
elleng |
May-17-11 04:51 PM |
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May-17-11 05:07 PM |
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Outside places like DU, West is a jealous joke. And Perry's article is spot on. |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-17-11 05:43 PM |
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!! n/t |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-17-11 10:28 PM |
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May-17-11 05:57 PM |
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*bust out laughing* |
Hutzpa |
May-17-11 07:09 PM |
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Between Tavis and Cornel.. who needs enemies.. |
Peacetrain |
May-17-11 07:21 PM |
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Corny's mortifying, self-pitying BS got over 300 recs here |
Number23 |
May-17-11 07:29 PM |
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Funny dat....there are more Black Duers responding to this thread (and we are few here) |
FrenchieCat |
May-17-11 07:51 PM |
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Folks here have always preferred to talk "at" us |
Number23 |
May-17-11 08:02 PM |
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Hear! Hear! |
Karenina |
May-18-11 01:07 PM |
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May-18-11 06:26 PM |
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Every third post I make on this topic is being deleted |
Number23 |
May-19-11 06:51 PM |
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Exactly, and at FDL recently too. Everyone wants to tell African Americans how they should feel |
stevenleser |
May-21-11 02:51 PM |
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I don't believe that it's merely a coincidence, either. Sadly!!! n/t |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-17-11 10:29 PM |
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May-17-11 11:55 PM |
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Wow, Cornel hit a nerve. |
woo me with science |
May-17-11 07:47 PM |
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Nerve called..... |
FrenchieCat |
May-17-11 07:52 PM |
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... |
woo me with science |
May-17-11 07:54 PM |
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DAMN you hit the nail on the head. It is exactly that -- a 1970 victim mentality |
Number23 |
May-17-11 08:09 PM |
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The irony is that West is doing the exact thing that he claims Obama is doing. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-17-11 10:31 PM |
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Yep. Perry cuts him to the nitty when she calls him out on being pissed that |
Number23 |
May-17-11 11:08 PM |
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It wasn't Cornel that struck a nerve, it's the people here who |
Solomon |
May-18-11 09:58 AM |
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"because he's black." Really? |
woo me with science |
May-18-11 10:12 AM |
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More good reads |
ProSense |
May-17-11 07:54 PM |
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Thanks for posting those.......as they are |
FrenchieCat |
May-17-11 08:02 PM |
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Thanks! |
Pirate Smile |
May-17-11 08:18 PM |
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This made me cry as I thought about the hell my nieces & nephews went through.... |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-17-11 10:11 PM |
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Sometimes I think it's what the president is mixed with - |
Kind of Blue |
May-18-11 12:32 AM |
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and not just if you're "mixed" |
CitizenLeft |
May-18-11 01:42 PM |
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Fantastic post. |
Number23 |
May-18-11 06:35 PM |
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thank you, #23 |
CitizenLeft |
May-18-11 09:17 PM |
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THANK you, my sister!!! |
EffieBlack |
May-17-11 08:15 PM |
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May-17-11 08:57 PM |
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Obviously, |
ProSense |
May-17-11 09:29 PM |
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May-18-11 08:06 AM |
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Hmmm? |
ProSense |
May-18-11 08:17 AM |
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May-18-11 08:38 AM |
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Really? |
ProSense |
May-18-11 09:02 AM |
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someone sounds a smidge upset! |
dionysus |
May-17-11 09:40 PM |
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Make room, I want to dogpile on too! |
here_is_to_hope |
May-18-11 11:01 AM |
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the "messiah" shit is all played out. i'll give you a retro point for "nattering", but overall it's |
dionysus |
May-17-11 09:43 PM |
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Anyone who uses the term "Obama Messiah Meme" |
CakeGrrl |
May-17-11 11:42 PM |
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Are you shitting me?! Did you read West's quote on "fear of the free Black man" |
vaberella |
May-18-11 02:46 AM |
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The reason why people are tearing into "West's semi-racialized views" is to marginalize |
leveymg |
May-18-11 08:22 AM |
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Are you kidding me? |
vaberella |
May-18-11 08:36 AM |
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He's using the term DNA as a metaphor for black identity, which is traditionally that of |
leveymg |
May-18-11 08:52 AM |
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lol |
NatBurner |
May-18-11 09:24 AM |
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I don't presume to fully understand West. Perhaps, you can explain his statement better? |
leveymg |
May-18-11 10:40 AM |
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I think Melissa Harris-Perry touched on it very well---it's unhinged nonsense. n/t |
vaberella |
May-18-11 11:10 AM |
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right. u had me at messiah, btw |
NatBurner |
May-18-11 12:10 PM |
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i love you, man |
Number23 |
May-18-11 06:39 PM |
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good to see u back |
NatBurner |
May-19-11 06:58 AM |
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Exactly...n/t |
vaberella |
May-18-11 11:10 AM |
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Keyboard please.... |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-21-11 01:08 PM |
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FYI---I'm Black....and no. |
vaberella |
May-18-11 11:18 AM |
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West is saying that Obama, the politician, has betrayed |
leveymg |
May-18-11 12:58 PM |
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Stop digging,already. |
Swede |
May-18-11 02:23 PM |
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Fine. |
leveymg |
May-18-11 02:50 PM |
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you're both black enough and white enough for me Vab! great post! |
dionysus |
May-19-11 07:57 PM |
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Oh |
ProSense |
May-18-11 08:38 AM |
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"the spell of Obama worship" wow is that line so bitter and stale by now.... |
dionysus |
May-19-11 01:43 PM |
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Are you really one to lecture about political discourse? |
MadBadger |
May-18-11 07:23 AM |
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An academic who needs to bump up with reality a bit more nt |
flamingdem |
May-17-11 09:52 PM |
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Does my "dear brother West" explain why Obama married a BLACK woman? n/t |
jenmito |
May-17-11 10:10 PM |
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Mainly it's seen as a way for Obama to prove himself as one of the Black community. |
vaberella |
May-18-11 03:06 AM |
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She's absolutely amazing!! She made West look like a fucking fool. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-17-11 10:17 PM |
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Exactly. |
disndat |
May-18-11 09:52 AM |
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I never thought I would have to unrec an article from the brilliant Melissa Harris-Perry |
Cali_Democrat |
May-17-11 11:14 PM |
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You see this as a vile attack... |
BklnDem75 |
May-18-11 12:07 AM |
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I thought West's criticism of Obama was a bit over the top |
Cali_Democrat |
May-18-11 02:37 AM |
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"fear of the free Black man" was just a "bit over the top" fo r you. |
vaberella |
May-18-11 02:56 AM |
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Are you serious? |
BklnDem75 |
May-18-11 07:22 AM |
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That's how some roll. |
vaberella |
May-18-11 08:33 AM |
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I am serious |
Cali_Democrat |
May-18-11 10:23 AM |
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Uh huh...and nothing good came from Cornell West's statement, but you defended that one. n/t |
vaberella |
May-18-11 11:19 AM |
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I thought some of West's criticism of Obama was over the top |
Cali_Democrat |
May-18-11 11:50 AM |
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What ever good point should have been lost when he suggested Obama's DNA affected his policies. |
vaberella |
May-18-11 03:11 PM |
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Perhaps I should have been more specific |
Cali_Democrat |
May-18-11 03:30 PM |
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I think I should be more clear. |
vaberella |
May-18-11 03:48 PM |
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" Any other point he may have made within that context or argument...was negated" |
Cali_Democrat |
May-18-11 04:03 PM |
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That's a bit selective |
BklnDem75 |
May-18-11 02:37 PM |
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I view West as a brilliant man |
Cali_Democrat |
May-18-11 03:36 PM |
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So he's above being taken to task? Why? |
BklnDem75 |
May-18-11 03:43 PM |
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Nobody is above being taken to task |
Cali_Democrat |
May-18-11 04:00 PM |
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But, apparently, not his |
BklnDem75 |
May-18-11 04:06 PM |
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Parts of Cornel's analysis definitely had some vitriol |
Cali_Democrat |
May-18-11 04:09 PM |
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I don't understand how you could see this as a vile attack. n/t |
quiller4 |
May-18-11 01:42 AM |
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That's how some people roll. n/t |
vaberella |
May-18-11 03:02 AM |
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Especially that one. Obama could walk on water... |
Solomon |
May-18-11 10:03 AM |
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Yes, thank you. Same here. |
Myrina |
May-18-11 10:40 AM |
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I adore Melissa Harris-Perry |
Mojorabbit |
May-18-11 12:52 AM |
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Harris-Perry hit this out of the park. He talks about "fear of free Black man" |
vaberella |
May-18-11 03:02 AM |
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West does nothing but shovel shit that's covered with a flowery verbal coating |
VeryConfused |
May-18-11 07:11 AM |
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It is sad to see smart generally liberal intellectuals |
blackspade |
May-18-11 09:24 AM |
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"Fawning praise." |
namahage |
May-18-11 12:38 PM |
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Please point out her 'fawning praise' |
BklnDem75 |
May-18-11 02:44 PM |
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Melissa Harris -Perry |
latinaliberal |
May-18-11 09:25 AM |
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Unrec |
fascisthunter |
May-18-11 09:33 AM |
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DITTO |
Jim_Shorts |
May-18-11 10:06 AM |
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Hmmm? |
ProSense |
May-18-11 10:07 AM |
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"Until dems can come to grips with critics like West this party is doomed" |
Cali_Democrat |
May-18-11 10:20 AM |
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"They are dooming the party and Obama's reelection chances and they don't even realize it." |
ProSense |
May-18-11 10:24 AM |
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So your stance on the matter is that it was a simple critique? |
BklnDem75 |
May-18-11 02:54 PM |
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no, but at this point I could care less if any of it was personal |
fascisthunter |
May-18-11 04:34 PM |
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He should've stuck with the critique |
BklnDem75 |
May-18-11 09:08 PM |
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West's own fault. Indeed. |
Karenina |
May-19-11 11:41 AM |
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Cornel West is certainly entitled to his own opinion but.... |
FarLeftFist |
May-18-11 09:59 AM |
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May-18-11 10:27 AM |
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Yes, because |
ProSense |
May-18-11 10:32 AM |
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May-18-11 10:47 AM |
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Wait |
ProSense |
May-18-11 10:55 AM |
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Yes- when it comes to final action, the Kochs get the tax breaks and the wars keep getting funded... |
Dr Fate |
May-18-11 10:59 AM |
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OK, but |
ProSense |
May-18-11 11:05 AM |
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You want a list of DEMS who voted to give the Koch Brothers tax breaks over the years? |
Dr Fate |
May-18-11 11:20 AM |
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No, |
ProSense |
May-18-11 11:27 AM |
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Oh- you want me to tell you what centrists are *saying* they agree with this time. |
Dr Fate |
May-18-11 12:55 PM |
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In fact, |
ProSense |
May-18-11 10:41 AM |
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AWESOME.We ARE meeting all those goals in post #110 then. Liberals are fools to say otherwise. n/t |
Dr Fate |
May-18-11 10:50 AM |
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It's pretty obvious |
ProSense |
May-18-11 10:57 AM |
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Dear Brother West |
otohara |
May-18-11 10:28 AM |
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May-18-11 10:34 AM |
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I've read racist tripe before. West's rant qualifies. |
LiberalAndProud |
May-18-11 10:35 AM |
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Yup, yup. n/t |
vaberella |
May-18-11 11:22 AM |
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Melissa Harris-Perry is simply auditioning for the role |
rjwin |
May-18-11 10:51 AM |
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Right...that's why so many people on this thread and board support the argument. |
vaberella |
May-18-11 11:21 AM |
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"her only concern the collection plate" -- What horseshit! |
AtomicKitten |
May-18-11 11:22 AM |
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LOL! Is that all you have? |
BklnDem75 |
May-18-11 03:16 PM |
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delete |
polichick |
May-18-11 12:58 PM |
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"Deracination," "white man with black skin," |
Bette Noir |
May-18-11 01:27 PM |
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Don't forget..."fear of the free Black man" Because Obama is not a Black Man or Free. n/t |
vaberella |
May-18-11 03:02 PM |
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Ugh. |
abelenkpe |
May-18-11 02:13 PM |
#149 |
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