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| -Melissa Harris-Perry on Cornel West:"self-aggrandizing, victimology sermon deceptively wrapped in.." |
Pirate Smile |
May-17-11 02:39 PM |
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Huge k and r. |
Kdillard |
May-17-11 02:42 PM |
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Hi. I'm replying here because this is a really good letter to Sully I wanted to post in this thread. |
Pirate Smile |
May-17-11 06:54 PM |
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Thank you. Great read that hit the nail on the head. |
Kdillard |
May-17-11 08:38 PM |
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Ooo, excellent post, along with the OP...glad you're posting it as a stand-alone. |
BlancheSplanchnik |
May-18-11 08:49 AM |
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This whole TCK thing |
nonperson |
May-18-11 01:47 PM |
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Well, that's not the argument West is making. |
Kind of Blue |
May-18-11 05:45 PM |
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Two increasingly irrelevant assholes who no longer speak for my community. |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-17-11 02:44 PM |
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May-17-11 02:54 PM |
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Deal in hyperbole much? Where did I say "only Obama". Reading |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-17-11 03:20 PM |
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nope, but Obama is more popular among most black people than |
JI7 |
May-17-11 04:05 PM |
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Agreed |
EC |
May-17-11 03:00 PM |
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Yeap, few if ANY listen to Tavis because of his tantrum...he can't even point to anything else being |
uponit7771 |
May-17-11 03:02 PM |
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Amen ! |
jaysunb |
May-17-11 06:26 PM |
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This whole Cornell vs. Obama BS has been illuminating |
Number23 |
May-17-11 07:26 PM |
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"he has lost his damn mind". |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-17-11 09:45 PM |
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Melissa Harris-Perry called him a birther because of that (on Ed's Show). She said he is essentially |
Pirate Smile |
May-17-11 10:09 PM |
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I'll have to TIVO the replay, unless someone posts a video here. |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-17-11 10:43 PM |
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It's strange to me, too, because Cornel is friends with Michael Lerner. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-17-11 10:24 PM |
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Ditto! Whenever I hear Tavis' voice these days, I can't reach the tuner |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-17-11 10:39 PM |
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Next time you can stomach to hear him, count the number of times he says "right quick" |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-18-11 09:32 PM |
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"Has he always sounded so anti-semitic?" |
Number23 |
May-17-11 11:00 PM |
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BRILLIANT!! You are speaking for me, here, too! This is exactly how I feel... |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-17-11 10:22 PM |
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His self importance go the best of him. Too bad for West, he is the loser in this broohaha. |
Pisces |
May-18-11 11:35 AM |
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Man, you hit the nail on head no doubt. I'm thrown back, it's like it's a movie or something. The... |
uponit7771 |
May-18-11 12:12 PM |
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K & R! |
young but wise |
May-17-11 02:55 PM |
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Well done. |
jaxx |
May-17-11 02:56 PM |
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"....Furthermore, West’s sense of betrayal is clearly more personal than ideological..." |
uponit7771 |
May-17-11 03:00 PM |
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Oh, SNAP! |
frazzled |
May-17-11 03:08 PM |
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What's odd is that they threw their support behind Hillary Clinton after that |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-17-11 10:26 PM |
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May-17-11 03:18 PM |
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Prof West can be entertaining, but Melissa's argument is solid and trustworthy. |
AtomicKitten |
May-17-11 03:23 PM |
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I said it in that other thread and will repeat. |
OKNancy |
May-17-11 03:41 PM |
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The comparison of him to Gingrich as "intellectuals" is particularly cutting. |
Pirate Smile |
May-17-11 04:22 PM |
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"He is just as bad as Dinesh D'Souza." |
liberation |
May-18-11 10:29 AM |
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Good lord that was satisfying. |
Sheepshank |
May-17-11 03:43 PM |
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LOL Indeed! |
Solomon |
May-18-11 09:50 AM |
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K&R... |
These Eyes |
May-17-11 03:44 PM |
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agreed.. don't understand why people put him on a pedestal.. he really is just vindictive, not |
BREMPRO |
May-18-11 10:49 AM |
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Absolutely Correct! |
Kind of Blue |
May-17-11 03:47 PM |
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K&R! THANK YOU, Melissa Harris-Perry! n/t |
jenmito |
May-17-11 03:48 PM |
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ha! sounds like a huge arsehole. |
Whisp |
May-17-11 03:53 PM |
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"and do it East as well". |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-17-11 04:22 PM |
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Methinks Cornel West is threatened by a charismatic man of action |
CakeGrrl |
May-17-11 04:05 PM |
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Obama makes him and Smiley irrelevant relics of the past. |
Solomon |
May-18-11 09:53 AM |
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and she's his colleague |
tishaLA |
May-17-11 04:09 PM |
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For those who are thoughtful.....they already understood what Melissa Harris-Perry is writing about |
FrenchieCat |
May-17-11 04:34 PM |
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Thanks, Frenchie. |
elleng |
May-17-11 04:53 PM |
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Well said ! |
jaysunb |
May-17-11 06:29 PM |
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LOVE HER! |
elleng |
May-17-11 04:51 PM |
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May-17-11 05:07 PM |
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Outside places like DU, West is a jealous joke. And Perry's article is spot on. |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-17-11 05:43 PM |
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!! n/t |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-17-11 10:28 PM |
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May-17-11 05:57 PM |
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*bust out laughing* |
Hutzpa |
May-17-11 07:09 PM |
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Between Tavis and Cornel.. who needs enemies.. |
Peacetrain |
May-17-11 07:21 PM |
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Corny's mortifying, self-pitying BS got over 300 recs here |
Number23 |
May-17-11 07:29 PM |
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Funny dat....there are more Black Duers responding to this thread (and we are few here) |
FrenchieCat |
May-17-11 07:51 PM |
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Folks here have always preferred to talk "at" us |
Number23 |
May-17-11 08:02 PM |
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Hear! Hear! |
Karenina |
May-18-11 01:07 PM |
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May-18-11 06:26 PM |
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Every third post I make on this topic is being deleted |
Number23 |
May-19-11 06:51 PM |
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Exactly, and at FDL recently too. Everyone wants to tell African Americans how they should feel |
stevenleser |
May-21-11 02:51 PM |
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I don't believe that it's merely a coincidence, either. Sadly!!! n/t |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-17-11 10:29 PM |
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May-17-11 11:55 PM |
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Wow, Cornel hit a nerve. |
woo me with science |
May-17-11 07:47 PM |
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Nerve called..... |
FrenchieCat |
May-17-11 07:52 PM |
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... |
woo me with science |
May-17-11 07:54 PM |
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DAMN you hit the nail on the head. It is exactly that -- a 1970 victim mentality |
Number23 |
May-17-11 08:09 PM |
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The irony is that West is doing the exact thing that he claims Obama is doing. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-17-11 10:31 PM |
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Yep. Perry cuts him to the nitty when she calls him out on being pissed that |
Number23 |
May-17-11 11:08 PM |
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It wasn't Cornel that struck a nerve, it's the people here who |
Solomon |
May-18-11 09:58 AM |
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"because he's black." Really? |
woo me with science |
May-18-11 10:12 AM |
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More good reads |
ProSense |
May-17-11 07:54 PM |
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Thanks for posting those.......as they are |
FrenchieCat |
May-17-11 08:02 PM |
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Thanks! |
Pirate Smile |
May-17-11 08:18 PM |
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This made me cry as I thought about the hell my nieces & nephews went through.... |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-17-11 10:11 PM |
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Sometimes I think it's what the president is mixed with - |
Kind of Blue |
May-18-11 12:32 AM |
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and not just if you're "mixed" |
CitizenLeft |
May-18-11 01:42 PM |
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Fantastic post. |
Number23 |
May-18-11 06:35 PM |
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thank you, #23 |
CitizenLeft |
May-18-11 09:17 PM |
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THANK you, my sister!!! |
EffieBlack |
May-17-11 08:15 PM |
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May-17-11 08:57 PM |
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Obviously, |
ProSense |
May-17-11 09:29 PM |
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May-18-11 08:06 AM |
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Hmmm? |
ProSense |
May-18-11 08:17 AM |
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May-18-11 08:38 AM |
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Really? |
ProSense |
May-18-11 09:02 AM |
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someone sounds a smidge upset! |
dionysus |
May-17-11 09:40 PM |
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Make room, I want to dogpile on too! |
here_is_to_hope |
May-18-11 11:01 AM |
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the "messiah" shit is all played out. i'll give you a retro point for "nattering", but overall it's |
dionysus |
May-17-11 09:43 PM |
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Anyone who uses the term "Obama Messiah Meme" |
CakeGrrl |
May-17-11 11:42 PM |
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Are you shitting me?! Did you read West's quote on "fear of the free Black man" |
vaberella |
May-18-11 02:46 AM |
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The reason why people are tearing into "West's semi-racialized views" is to marginalize |
leveymg |
May-18-11 08:22 AM |
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Are you kidding me? |
vaberella |
May-18-11 08:36 AM |
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He's using the term DNA as a metaphor for black identity, which is traditionally that of |
leveymg |
May-18-11 08:52 AM |
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lol |
NatBurner |
May-18-11 09:24 AM |
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I don't presume to fully understand West. Perhaps, you can explain his statement better? |
leveymg |
May-18-11 10:40 AM |
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I think Melissa Harris-Perry touched on it very well---it's unhinged nonsense. n/t |
vaberella |
May-18-11 11:10 AM |
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right. u had me at messiah, btw |
NatBurner |
May-18-11 12:10 PM |
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i love you, man |
Number23 |
May-18-11 06:39 PM |
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good to see u back |
NatBurner |
May-19-11 06:58 AM |
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Exactly...n/t |
vaberella |
May-18-11 11:10 AM |
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Keyboard please.... |
Tarheel_Dem |
May-21-11 01:08 PM |
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FYI---I'm Black....and no. |
vaberella |
May-18-11 11:18 AM |
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West is saying that Obama, the politician, has betrayed |
leveymg |
May-18-11 12:58 PM |
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Stop digging,already. |
Swede |
May-18-11 02:23 PM |
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Fine. |
leveymg |
May-18-11 02:50 PM |
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you're both black enough and white enough for me Vab! great post! |
dionysus |
May-19-11 07:57 PM |
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Oh |
ProSense |
May-18-11 08:38 AM |
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"the spell of Obama worship" wow is that line so bitter and stale by now.... |
dionysus |
May-19-11 01:43 PM |
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Are you really one to lecture about political discourse? |
MadBadger |
May-18-11 07:23 AM |
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An academic who needs to bump up with reality a bit more nt |
flamingdem |
May-17-11 09:52 PM |
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Does my "dear brother West" explain why Obama married a BLACK woman? n/t |
jenmito |
May-17-11 10:10 PM |
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Mainly it's seen as a way for Obama to prove himself as one of the Black community. |
vaberella |
May-18-11 03:06 AM |
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She's absolutely amazing!! She made West look like a fucking fool. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-17-11 10:17 PM |
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Exactly. |
disndat |
May-18-11 09:52 AM |
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I never thought I would have to unrec an article from the brilliant Melissa Harris-Perry |
Cali_Democrat |
May-17-11 11:14 PM |
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You see this as a vile attack... |
BklnDem75 |
May-18-11 12:07 AM |
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I thought West's criticism of Obama was a bit over the top |
Cali_Democrat |
May-18-11 02:37 AM |
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"fear of the free Black man" was just a "bit over the top" fo r you. |
vaberella |
May-18-11 02:56 AM |
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Are you serious? |
BklnDem75 |
May-18-11 07:22 AM |
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That's how some roll. |
vaberella |
May-18-11 08:33 AM |
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I am serious |
Cali_Democrat |
May-18-11 10:23 AM |
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Uh huh...and nothing good came from Cornell West's statement, but you defended that one. n/t |
vaberella |
May-18-11 11:19 AM |
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I thought some of West's criticism of Obama was over the top |
Cali_Democrat |
May-18-11 11:50 AM |
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What ever good point should have been lost when he suggested Obama's DNA affected his policies. |
vaberella |
May-18-11 03:11 PM |
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Perhaps I should have been more specific |
Cali_Democrat |
May-18-11 03:30 PM |
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I think I should be more clear. |
vaberella |
May-18-11 03:48 PM |
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" Any other point he may have made within that context or argument...was negated" |
Cali_Democrat |
May-18-11 04:03 PM |
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That's a bit selective |
BklnDem75 |
May-18-11 02:37 PM |
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I view West as a brilliant man |
Cali_Democrat |
May-18-11 03:36 PM |
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So he's above being taken to task? Why? |
BklnDem75 |
May-18-11 03:43 PM |
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Nobody is above being taken to task |
Cali_Democrat |
May-18-11 04:00 PM |
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But, apparently, not his |
BklnDem75 |
May-18-11 04:06 PM |
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Parts of Cornel's analysis definitely had some vitriol |
Cali_Democrat |
May-18-11 04:09 PM |
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I don't understand how you could see this as a vile attack. n/t |
quiller4 |
May-18-11 01:42 AM |
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That's how some people roll. n/t |
vaberella |
May-18-11 03:02 AM |
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Especially that one. Obama could walk on water... |
Solomon |
May-18-11 10:03 AM |
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Yes, thank you. Same here. |
Myrina |
May-18-11 10:40 AM |
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I adore Melissa Harris-Perry |
Mojorabbit |
May-18-11 12:52 AM |
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Harris-Perry hit this out of the park. He talks about "fear of free Black man" |
vaberella |
May-18-11 03:02 AM |
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West does nothing but shovel shit that's covered with a flowery verbal coating |
VeryConfused |
May-18-11 07:11 AM |
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It is sad to see smart generally liberal intellectuals |
blackspade |
May-18-11 09:24 AM |
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"Fawning praise." |
namahage |
May-18-11 12:38 PM |
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Please point out her 'fawning praise' |
BklnDem75 |
May-18-11 02:44 PM |
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Melissa Harris -Perry |
latinaliberal |
May-18-11 09:25 AM |
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Unrec |
fascisthunter |
May-18-11 09:33 AM |
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DITTO |
Jim_Shorts |
May-18-11 10:06 AM |
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Hmmm? |
ProSense |
May-18-11 10:07 AM |
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"Until dems can come to grips with critics like West this party is doomed" |
Cali_Democrat |
May-18-11 10:20 AM |
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"They are dooming the party and Obama's reelection chances and they don't even realize it." |
ProSense |
May-18-11 10:24 AM |
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So your stance on the matter is that it was a simple critique? |
BklnDem75 |
May-18-11 02:54 PM |
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no, but at this point I could care less if any of it was personal |
fascisthunter |
May-18-11 04:34 PM |
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He should've stuck with the critique |
BklnDem75 |
May-18-11 09:08 PM |
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West's own fault. Indeed. |
Karenina |
May-19-11 11:41 AM |
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Cornel West is certainly entitled to his own opinion but.... |
FarLeftFist |
May-18-11 09:59 AM |
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May-18-11 10:27 AM |
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Yes, because |
ProSense |
May-18-11 10:32 AM |
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May-18-11 10:47 AM |
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Wait |
ProSense |
May-18-11 10:55 AM |
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Yes- when it comes to final action, the Kochs get the tax breaks and the wars keep getting funded... |
Dr Fate |
May-18-11 10:59 AM |
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OK, but |
ProSense |
May-18-11 11:05 AM |
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You want a list of DEMS who voted to give the Koch Brothers tax breaks over the years? |
Dr Fate |
May-18-11 11:20 AM |
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No, |
ProSense |
May-18-11 11:27 AM |
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Oh- you want me to tell you what centrists are *saying* they agree with this time. |
Dr Fate |
May-18-11 12:55 PM |
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In fact, |
ProSense |
May-18-11 10:41 AM |
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AWESOME.We ARE meeting all those goals in post #110 then. Liberals are fools to say otherwise. n/t |
Dr Fate |
May-18-11 10:50 AM |
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It's pretty obvious |
ProSense |
May-18-11 10:57 AM |
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Dear Brother West |
otohara |
May-18-11 10:28 AM |
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May-18-11 10:34 AM |
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I've read racist tripe before. West's rant qualifies. |
LiberalAndProud |
May-18-11 10:35 AM |
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Yup, yup. n/t |
vaberella |
May-18-11 11:22 AM |
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Melissa Harris-Perry is simply auditioning for the role |
rjwin |
May-18-11 10:51 AM |
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Right...that's why so many people on this thread and board support the argument. |
vaberella |
May-18-11 11:21 AM |
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"her only concern the collection plate" -- What horseshit! |
AtomicKitten |
May-18-11 11:22 AM |
#134 |
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LOL! Is that all you have? |
BklnDem75 |
May-18-11 03:16 PM |
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delete |
polichick |
May-18-11 12:58 PM |
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"Deracination," "white man with black skin," |
Bette Noir |
May-18-11 01:27 PM |
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Don't forget..."fear of the free Black man" Because Obama is not a Black Man or Free. n/t |
vaberella |
May-18-11 03:02 PM |
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Ugh. |
abelenkpe |
May-18-11 02:13 PM |
#149 |
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