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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 01:35 PM
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18. Exactly so and that is a real problem
There are less and less jobs around in the private sector that involve unions. They are still there, but a much diminished part of the MA workforce.

It is hoped that the costs savings will not be borne just on the backs of union members, public or private sector. However, there also has to be some honest negotiations on health care costs. I am in favor of opening up the books so that each side can see what the other is talking about in terms of costs.

My brother is a police officer. He is upset about the loss of the Quinn bill perks that were negotiated by unions. Many towns are doing layoffs of vital personnel because of lack of funds. There is a point where some municipalities are seeking concessions on fees and costs so that personnel can be saved. Some union response has been that layoffs are preferable to disturbing or negotiating costs. This also cannot continue and it makes a negative argument for the voters, who might otherwise be held as sympathetic to the union cause.
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  -What the hell is going on in Massachusetts? vaberella  Apr-29-11 11:30 AM   #0 
  - They have been exposed.  RandomThoughts   Apr-29-11 11:35 AM   #1 
  - I'm not really sure what you're talking about. n/t  vaberella   Apr-29-11 11:49 AM   #3 
     - hmm.  RandomThoughts   Apr-29-11 11:52 AM   #4 
  - .... they are fucking liars  fascisthunter   Apr-29-11 11:42 AM   #2 
  - Deval Patrick will never sign that into law.  MercuryRepeater   Apr-29-11 12:10 PM   #5 
  - Don't be too sure about that.  Fuddnik   Apr-29-11 12:13 PM   #6 
  - I suggest that Governor Patrick think hard about putting a pen to that piece of shit Democratic kill  louslobbs   Apr-29-11 12:37 PM   #7 
  - He's not running again - no skin off his nose. He's been proposing this since January. n/t  seaglass   Apr-29-11 01:13 PM   #15 
     - Thanks for the info, so if he signs it, just another fake, phony and fraud. I get it. Thanks  louslobbs   Apr-29-11 03:01 PM   #25 
  - That's not the point. That a was a democratic run house that did that.  vaberella   Apr-29-11 02:44 PM   #23 
  - The Dems want to limit health care costs in MA  TayTay   Apr-29-11 12:44 PM   #8 
  - Well, let's hope you are correct and thanks for that post.  louslobbs   Apr-29-11 12:48 PM   #10 
  - It is very much up in the air right now  TayTay   Apr-29-11 12:58 PM   #13 
     - I don't know what you mean by "even here" from what my understanding is Romneycare was  seaglass   Apr-29-11 01:19 PM   #16 
     - Exactly so and that is a real problem  TayTay   Apr-29-11 01:35 PM   #18 
     - Thank you for informing me with a well thought out post. Knowing that info, the Dems must  louslobbs   Apr-29-11 03:11 PM   #27 
     - It's actually Romney/Obama care  ProudDad   Apr-30-11 12:30 PM   #42 
  - So Rachel's episode was wrong? n/t  vaberella   Apr-29-11 02:45 PM   #24 
  - Exactly. This is not Wisconsin redux. This bill still has to get through the State Senate too,  Arkana   Apr-29-11 05:50 PM   #31 
  - What? Now can we look forward to Dem Crazies doing crazy shit to take the heat of the lunatic pubes  louslobbs   Apr-29-11 12:47 PM   #9 
  - Massachusetts is a microcosm of the "Centrist" National Democratic Party.  bvar22   Apr-29-11 12:51 PM   #11 
  - Hey everyone look over there  Broderick   Apr-29-11 12:54 PM   #12 
  - Deval Patrick proposed this in January. This should not be a surprise to Obama.  seaglass   Apr-29-11 01:09 PM   #14 
  - I don't think you're understanding my point.  vaberella   Apr-29-11 05:36 PM   #29 
     - sorry, after the last go round with you and your lack of fact checking I'm going to have  seaglass   Apr-30-11 01:11 PM   #45 
  - I live in Massachusetts..,..For the sake of balance, there IS another side to this  Armstead   Apr-29-11 01:23 PM   #17 
  - That sounds so pragmatic. Who could possibly object? n/t  seaglass   Apr-29-11 02:00 PM   #19 
     - It IS a pragmatic problem -- that the state Democrats handled dumbly  Armstead   Apr-29-11 02:13 PM   #20 
        - Yes, I am very aware of the fiscal problems we are facing because we have been feeling the effects  seaglass   Apr-29-11 02:32 PM   #21 
           - Maybe so...But I'm not sure there is a big anti-union backlash, at least not here  Armstead   Apr-29-11 02:41 PM   #22 
  - Obama has known that for a while (assuming he is not an idiot).  Mass   Apr-29-11 03:04 PM   #26 
  - I don't understand what Obama has to do with Massachusetts politics to even be brought up.  vaberella   Apr-29-11 05:25 PM   #28 
  - You're right. Extending the Bush tax cuts put our government funding in jeopardy and  Exilednight   Apr-29-11 07:14 PM   #36 
  - It's bad, but not Wisconsin bad.  Arkana   Apr-29-11 05:48 PM   #30 
  - I don't think people will make that difference when presented with the issue.  vaberella   Apr-29-11 07:01 PM   #34 
     - Because it doesn't remove the right to collective bargaining completely.  Arkana   Apr-30-11 10:05 AM   #38 
  - None of them are going to be re-elected  Ramulux   Apr-29-11 06:02 PM   #32 
  - I agree with you. That's why I asked for some Massachusetts' opinion.  vaberella   Apr-29-11 07:00 PM   #33 
  - Welcome to Massachusetts  Armstead   Apr-29-11 07:06 PM   #35 
  - This is a pretty good summary of the bill  TayTay   Apr-30-11 09:08 AM   #37 
  - Isn't that why unions are withdrawing money from dems and dumping into local recall efforts?  lonestarnot   Apr-30-11 10:06 AM   #39 
     - I haven't seen any recalls yet in MA  TayTay   Apr-30-11 10:45 AM   #40 
  - The "nicer" of the 2 right-wings of the Corporate Business/War Pary  ProudDad   Apr-30-11 12:27 PM   #41 
  - Patrick was on Bill Maher last night and said he will not sign this bill into law.  ReturnoftheDjedi   Apr-30-11 12:31 PM   #43 
     - The bill he supports is no better  former9thward   Apr-30-11 01:09 PM   #44 

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