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Mon Apr-04-11 12:26 PM
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| 62. He didn't try though -- That is the key |
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No, he could not have been expected to change everything overnight. But he seemed to at least be ready to begin the pushback to the corporate CONservative dominance.
But instead of using a combination of political hardball and the bully pulpit to really push for popular reforms, Obama did the opposite. He either failed to support, or actively suppressed, liberals and progressives, and instead threw his weight behind the conmservaDems.
When you look at the overall trajectory of health care, for example, he started from a position of placating Corporate Healthcare and the conservaDems. The proponents of meaningful reform had to start with the weak compromise of a "public option" which was unclear.
So reformers compromised from the beginning but were pushed away from the table from the beginning. Obama gave lkip service to a public option and/or a possible slight expansion of Medicare.
And the bar kept getting lowered to a weaker and weaker public option and then -- to add insult to injury -- a MANDATE THAT REQUIRES PEOPLE TO BUY OVERPRICED CORPORATE HEALTH INSURANCE.
Rather than set out a set of principles and doing some LBJ style armtwisting of anti-reform conservadems, he basically empowered and catered to those conmservaDems while pressuring (and often insulting) the advocates of real reform inside and outside of Congreess.
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| -2012 Is Going to be Very Difficult for Some of Us |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 08:36 AM |
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But you will vote for and support Obama |
Botany |
Apr-04-11 08:40 AM |
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and that is a sorry reason to support and vote for anyone. |
roguevalley |
Apr-04-11 09:32 AM |
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Just fyi...about 'openly gay' appointments... |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-04-11 09:49 AM |
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As a straight guy i have little idea what the GLBT people .. |
Botany |
Apr-04-11 09:59 AM |
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But you do get my point, don't you? |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-04-11 10:19 AM |
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I understand your points and I wish I could hurry things ... |
Botany |
Apr-04-11 11:16 AM |
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It took black Americans many decades before receving full citizenship rights. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 03:28 PM |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Apr-04-11 08:42 AM |
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You are very smart. If people don't like Obama, I understand that. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 01:22 PM |
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Yes, the reality is that the next president will either be Obama or the Republican nominee. |
elocs |
Apr-04-11 08:42 AM |
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Agreed. |
Vogon_Glory |
Apr-04-11 08:55 AM |
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Simply put, a very crucial message.... |
teachthemwell15 |
Apr-04-11 09:07 AM |
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What do you want a Democracy or a Plutocracy ? |
Tippy |
Apr-04-11 08:46 AM |
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Power is provided by wealth in this country. I am sorry to say, but it's true. |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 08:51 AM |
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and he will every nickel because of Citizen's United |
Botany |
Apr-04-11 08:57 AM |
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Is that a trick question? |
earthside |
Apr-04-11 09:02 AM |
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We gave this president a bunch of Blue Dog Democrats and expected them to vote like |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 01:24 PM |
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Watching what the republicans are trying to do with |
shraby |
Apr-04-11 08:46 AM |
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Pres. Obama will again destroy down ballot Dem. candidates like 2010. |
MrTriumph |
Apr-04-11 08:50 AM |
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This is NOT Obama's fault! He was faced with jobloss the likes of which we haven't seen |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 01:27 PM |
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So the campaign slogan should be, "Well, it could be worse!" Sheesh. |
MrTriumph |
Apr-04-11 05:53 PM |
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I am unhappy with Obama but will vote for the dem whoever that is. |
rosesaylavee |
Apr-04-11 08:57 AM |
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It's good to see that some people here at DU actually... |
vduhr |
Apr-04-11 12:12 PM |
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They also are very foolish in that they don't understand very fundamental |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 01:30 PM |
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Am curious but know there is no way possible to find out |
rosesaylavee |
Apr-04-11 02:40 PM |
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We are up the creek without a paddle. |
Autumn |
Apr-04-11 09:00 AM |
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Sadly, I'm right there with you |
MissDeeds |
Apr-04-11 09:06 AM |
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I think you are missing a large part of why things weren't done..... |
jaxx |
Apr-04-11 09:08 AM |
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Well that one man could help on DOMA by not opposing equality |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-04-11 10:04 AM |
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+1 |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 10:18 AM |
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The President:: |
jaxx |
Apr-04-11 10:21 AM |
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My understanding is the president has stated repeatedly that his views on that issue are |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 01:35 PM |
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To add to that, if the left and the liberals works hard |
Bodhi BloodWave |
Apr-04-11 02:13 PM |
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Excellent summation of the past two years! |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Apr-04-11 10:06 AM |
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+1 |
young but wise |
Apr-04-11 10:08 AM |
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I would add two more things to that. The creation of an entire astroturf movement AND the withering |
stevenleser |
Apr-04-11 10:58 AM |
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He didn't try though -- That is the key |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 12:26 PM |
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He did try. And kept trying until a bill was passed. |
jaxx |
Apr-04-11 12:46 PM |
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The point, again, isd that he failed to try....The crummy bill was almost worse than nothing |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 01:05 PM |
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There will be subsidies for those meeting the income guidelines. |
jaxx |
Apr-04-11 01:26 PM |
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Give him MORE, not LESS progressives who will vote like Bernie Sanders, and I'm with you. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 03:02 PM |
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I agree....to sn extent |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 04:06 PM |
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I'm with you! There are great progressives in the Senate like Tom Harkin |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 04:13 PM |
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YAWN !! |
lamp_shade |
Apr-04-11 09:42 AM |
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Thanks for your belittling remark. |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 09:48 AM |
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YAWN!! +1 |
Tarheel_Dem |
Apr-04-11 10:27 AM |
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K and R |
OwnedByFerrets |
Apr-04-11 09:56 AM |
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this is not a snark. |
cliffordu |
Apr-04-11 10:23 AM |
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Thank you! +1 |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 10:24 AM |
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Almost all of your disappointments were created by Congress |
jeff47 |
Apr-04-11 10:24 AM |
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That is not my assessment or the evidence I have given. |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 10:25 AM |
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The President is not all-powerful. |
jeff47 |
Apr-04-11 10:34 AM |
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The President is the head of the Democratic Party. |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 10:37 AM |
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So make him change. |
jeff47 |
Apr-04-11 10:51 AM |
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One person cannot make him change. |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 10:58 AM |
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Those 60 million are made up of individual persons |
jeff47 |
Apr-04-11 11:05 AM |
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Can't hurt. |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 11:11 AM |
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When people try to get him to change they afre called "Obama haters" |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 12:31 PM |
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People resist change?!?! Golly, who wouldda thunk? |
jeff47 |
Apr-04-11 01:21 PM |
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he's never going to call me names personally -- I'm a nobody. But... |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 05:18 PM |
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Again, so what? |
jeff47 |
Apr-05-11 09:52 AM |
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Thank you. I don't know why this is so difficult for Fearless to see. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 04:06 PM |
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Wow, Congress must be forging Obama's signature too then. nt |
NorthCarolina |
Apr-04-11 10:58 AM |
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He can only sign the bills they pass |
jeff47 |
Apr-04-11 11:04 AM |
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I think you missed the point; that being 'he doesn't Have to sign them'. |
NorthCarolina |
Apr-04-11 05:45 PM |
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But if we can get you and others to understand that the problem was and has always been |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 03:25 PM |
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Bluedogs have stopped him from ideologically supporting points of view? |
Fearless |
Apr-06-11 09:58 AM |
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"I just do not know what I am going to do." Uhhh... |
Tarheel_Dem |
Apr-04-11 10:31 AM |
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The president must be 35 or older as per the US Constitution. |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 10:38 AM |
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Apr-04-11 10:42 AM |
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The quote of mine you made was in regards to what to do at the ballot |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 10:45 AM |
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If you thought that was a personal attack, then you certainly don't have... |
Tarheel_Dem |
Apr-04-11 11:00 AM |
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Way up there on the snark-o-meter. |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 11:13 AM |
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That's a meaningless response -- Not everyone is cut out to be a politician |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 12:35 PM |
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Excellent post, Fearless. I will vote Obama, despite the disappointments... |
Rabblevox |
Apr-04-11 10:39 AM |
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Quite an excellent, honest OP. I believe your sentiments are reflective of a majority of Dems |
NorthCarolina |
Apr-04-11 10:55 AM |
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I would say its the majority of people on DU, not a majority of Democrats. All the polls suggest |
stevenleser |
Apr-04-11 11:11 AM |
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I doubt its even a majority of DUers |
onenote |
Apr-04-11 12:17 PM |
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Well, a majority of those that are still here and havent left in disgust at some of their DU peers. |
stevenleser |
Apr-04-11 11:55 PM |
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Agreed. The most discontent from anyone on the Left I've heard has been here. n/t |
CakeGrrl |
Apr-04-11 02:36 PM |
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The majority of dems? Really? Yathink? |
lamp_shade |
Apr-04-11 12:05 PM |
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I know what I'm not going to do |
whatchamacallit |
Apr-04-11 11:09 AM |
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It isn't all on the President. Get Teabaggers, Wingnuts and Blue Dogs out of Congress. n/t |
CakeGrrl |
Apr-04-11 11:21 AM |
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Most of the votes for "President" will have ZERO effect ... |
bvar22 |
Apr-04-11 11:46 AM |
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could you elaborate? |
onenote |
Apr-04-11 12:20 PM |
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You sound smart and your post is nicely done..... |
FrenchieCat |
Apr-04-11 11:51 AM |
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Well said!!!! |
vduhr |
Apr-04-11 12:19 PM |
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"Me, I'll blame all of this nation's citizens," Well, thanks for blaming the victims. We happen to |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-04-11 12:38 PM |
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The fact is clear in your response, |
FrenchieCat |
Apr-04-11 01:08 PM |
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I agree, Frenchie. No, I don't agree with everything but I'll be |
Fire1 |
Apr-04-11 03:31 PM |
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Thanks, FC, as always. I just think it's royally fucked up that out of anger, |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 04:30 PM |
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Thanks, FC, as always. I just think it's royally fucked up that out of anger, |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 04:30 PM |
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+1 n/t |
politicasista |
Apr-04-11 04:47 PM |
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It is not just one man, it is his enablers as well. |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-04-11 08:54 PM |
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Unfortunately, I share your sentiments. |
archiemo |
Apr-04-11 12:01 PM |
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The other side of the coin is that a tea bag presidency may lead to |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-04-11 12:34 PM |
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I guess you could teach Obama a lesson and not vote. |
ReturnoftheDjedi |
Apr-04-11 12:46 PM |
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Trust me, you are going to vote Obama and LOVE doing it! |
Township75 |
Apr-04-11 01:03 PM |
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The downward nature of that cycle is why many of us are so frustrated |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 01:11 PM |
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+1 |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 01:13 PM |
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Im with you dude, |
Township75 |
Apr-04-11 01:17 PM |
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I guess my quibble is with the concept of being "happy" ablout it |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 02:30 PM |
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I think you're wrong. Obama has been the most progressive Democratic president |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 04:39 PM |
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+1 |
dionysus |
Apr-04-11 07:11 PM |
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as a long time DUer, you jogged my memory. the Dean\Kerry wars (i liked Dean) |
dionysus |
Apr-04-11 07:10 PM |
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Sorry. Won't happen. nt |
Lorien |
Apr-04-11 10:23 PM |
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If you're worried now, let the Republicans take over the Senate and the presidency, too, |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 01:18 PM |
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k/r |
emilyg |
Apr-04-11 01:30 PM |
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The GOP's goal all along has been to block Obama at every turn ... |
JoePhilly |
Apr-04-11 01:59 PM |
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I've been waiting patiently for you to come up in here and drop some knowledge! |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 04:48 PM |
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Apr-04-11 01:59 PM |
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i think |
DemocratAholic |
Apr-04-11 02:38 PM |
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+1 The politics that breeds cynicism is as big a threat as the GOP strategies |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 02:46 PM |
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But that's what the Republicans want you to think. And by and large, they have suceeded. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 04:59 PM |
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I want liberal bumpersticker slogans |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 05:11 PM |
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I've had the distinct pleasure of meeting Bernie many times. I am a Sanders Democrat. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 10:13 PM |
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You hit the nail on the head |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 11:00 PM |
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Apr-04-11 07:14 PM |
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Bill Maher: "...the difference between a disappointing friend and a deadly enemy". |
CakeGrrl |
Apr-04-11 02:40 PM |
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Very well said - and about health care |
democrat2thecore |
Apr-04-11 03:18 PM |
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Door 1 and door 2 will lead to the same place? Really? |
Mass |
Apr-04-11 03:39 PM |
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I only have one good reason left to vote for Obama. |
Efilroft Sul |
Apr-04-11 04:01 PM |
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Me too. |
DH of Oregon |
Apr-04-11 04:42 PM |
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My advice: YouTube Rachel Maddow for the HUGE list of Obama's PROGRESSIVE accomplishments.SLAM DUNK! |
RBInMaine |
Apr-04-11 05:29 PM |
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It's a small world we have the same degrees. |
craigmatic |
Apr-04-11 06:22 PM |
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If still don't know, that's pretty sad. |
Ikonoklast |
Apr-04-11 06:45 PM |
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Whoever runs to the Left of Obama has my vote |
Lorien |
Apr-04-11 10:22 PM |
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Good luck with that! |
FrenchieCat |
Apr-04-11 11:28 PM |
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Run For Office... |
graceastrology |
Apr-04-11 11:38 PM |
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The election is over now. The republicans are assured a win... |
Safetykitten |
Apr-04-11 11:52 PM |
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If you cannot see the difference between the tea party and the Democrats..t here is nothing |
Peacetrain |
Apr-05-11 10:26 AM |
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really too funny. oh my that evil President Obama has let us all |
okieinpain |
Apr-05-11 03:43 PM |
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Apr-06-11 10:11 PM |
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It really isn't difficult at all |
quaker bill |
Apr-06-11 11:08 PM |
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more like "Clueless".. |
DCBob |
Apr-06-11 11:10 PM |
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Unfortunately |
LatteLibertine |
Apr-07-11 08:25 AM |
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