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Mon Apr-04-11 11:51 AM
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| 55. You sound smart and your post is nicely done..... |
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So I suggest you do whatever you decide to do, and be prepared to live with the intended and unintended consequences, as you are not exempt in being judged for whatever decision you make.
Personally, I believe that I have a great choice in 2012, and it is to vote for Pres. Obama.
It is easy and simple to blame Pres. Obama for not fixing years upon years of fucked-up shit that we let happen in this country..... and you can do so based on his 2.3 years of being on the job, especially if this sounds right and just to you. After all, many have been blaming him for any and all outcomes for at least the past 2 years...which means they became unhappy with him really very shortly after he became President (and those posts will live on here in DU's archives).
Me, I'll blame all of this nation's citizens, for relying on others to get done for them, what they might have done for themselves if only they could have stopped complaining long enough to organize themselves, and to make it their aim to speak loud and long to other citizens of this country to change minds and hearts on those issues they care so deeply about. Instead too many waited for the ones that they had been waiting for, which in many instances wasn't even them. An example was when the Teabaggers were made deliberately famous by the Corporate media.... Where were the countering forces? Most were busy complaining that this President was a sell out and chanting "Kill the Bill".
To those who have solely relied on one man to clean up all of this nation's shit, and giving him 2.3 years to have achieved it is not only unreasonable, but it is unfair, while I don't recall any other man having been expected to get all of this done before. In particular when folks ignore the role of congress, because they expected this President to simply be more like a dictator and just get her done, by screaming, scheming, lying and ignoring all opposition (a la Bush) and whatever else it might take.
It is one thing to have unusually high expectations, it is another to literally want to punish the one that the expectations were loaded on to, while the only thing that one contributed for the past 2.3 years is a bunch of complaints about anything and everything.
That said; your vote is yours to do with it what you will.... just don't point elsewhere when they come for you....
Good luck with rationalizing why you may opt to not participate, while pointing fingers at those of us who will try to save everyone else's ass letting us know that we ain't doing it quite right.
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| -2012 Is Going to be Very Difficult for Some of Us |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 08:36 AM |
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But you will vote for and support Obama |
Botany |
Apr-04-11 08:40 AM |
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and that is a sorry reason to support and vote for anyone. |
roguevalley |
Apr-04-11 09:32 AM |
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Just fyi...about 'openly gay' appointments... |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-04-11 09:49 AM |
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As a straight guy i have little idea what the GLBT people .. |
Botany |
Apr-04-11 09:59 AM |
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But you do get my point, don't you? |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-04-11 10:19 AM |
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I understand your points and I wish I could hurry things ... |
Botany |
Apr-04-11 11:16 AM |
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It took black Americans many decades before receving full citizenship rights. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 03:28 PM |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Apr-04-11 08:42 AM |
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You are very smart. If people don't like Obama, I understand that. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 01:22 PM |
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Yes, the reality is that the next president will either be Obama or the Republican nominee. |
elocs |
Apr-04-11 08:42 AM |
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Agreed. |
Vogon_Glory |
Apr-04-11 08:55 AM |
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Simply put, a very crucial message.... |
teachthemwell15 |
Apr-04-11 09:07 AM |
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What do you want a Democracy or a Plutocracy ? |
Tippy |
Apr-04-11 08:46 AM |
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Power is provided by wealth in this country. I am sorry to say, but it's true. |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 08:51 AM |
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and he will every nickel because of Citizen's United |
Botany |
Apr-04-11 08:57 AM |
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Is that a trick question? |
earthside |
Apr-04-11 09:02 AM |
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We gave this president a bunch of Blue Dog Democrats and expected them to vote like |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 01:24 PM |
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Watching what the republicans are trying to do with |
shraby |
Apr-04-11 08:46 AM |
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Pres. Obama will again destroy down ballot Dem. candidates like 2010. |
MrTriumph |
Apr-04-11 08:50 AM |
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This is NOT Obama's fault! He was faced with jobloss the likes of which we haven't seen |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 01:27 PM |
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So the campaign slogan should be, "Well, it could be worse!" Sheesh. |
MrTriumph |
Apr-04-11 05:53 PM |
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I am unhappy with Obama but will vote for the dem whoever that is. |
rosesaylavee |
Apr-04-11 08:57 AM |
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It's good to see that some people here at DU actually... |
vduhr |
Apr-04-11 12:12 PM |
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They also are very foolish in that they don't understand very fundamental |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 01:30 PM |
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Am curious but know there is no way possible to find out |
rosesaylavee |
Apr-04-11 02:40 PM |
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We are up the creek without a paddle. |
Autumn |
Apr-04-11 09:00 AM |
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Sadly, I'm right there with you |
MissDeeds |
Apr-04-11 09:06 AM |
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I think you are missing a large part of why things weren't done..... |
jaxx |
Apr-04-11 09:08 AM |
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Well that one man could help on DOMA by not opposing equality |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-04-11 10:04 AM |
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+1 |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 10:18 AM |
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The President:: |
jaxx |
Apr-04-11 10:21 AM |
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My understanding is the president has stated repeatedly that his views on that issue are |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 01:35 PM |
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To add to that, if the left and the liberals works hard |
Bodhi BloodWave |
Apr-04-11 02:13 PM |
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Excellent summation of the past two years! |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Apr-04-11 10:06 AM |
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+1 |
young but wise |
Apr-04-11 10:08 AM |
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I would add two more things to that. The creation of an entire astroturf movement AND the withering |
stevenleser |
Apr-04-11 10:58 AM |
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He didn't try though -- That is the key |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 12:26 PM |
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He did try. And kept trying until a bill was passed. |
jaxx |
Apr-04-11 12:46 PM |
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The point, again, isd that he failed to try....The crummy bill was almost worse than nothing |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 01:05 PM |
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There will be subsidies for those meeting the income guidelines. |
jaxx |
Apr-04-11 01:26 PM |
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Give him MORE, not LESS progressives who will vote like Bernie Sanders, and I'm with you. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 03:02 PM |
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I agree....to sn extent |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 04:06 PM |
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I'm with you! There are great progressives in the Senate like Tom Harkin |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 04:13 PM |
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YAWN !! |
lamp_shade |
Apr-04-11 09:42 AM |
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Thanks for your belittling remark. |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 09:48 AM |
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YAWN!! +1 |
Tarheel_Dem |
Apr-04-11 10:27 AM |
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K and R |
OwnedByFerrets |
Apr-04-11 09:56 AM |
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this is not a snark. |
cliffordu |
Apr-04-11 10:23 AM |
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Thank you! +1 |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 10:24 AM |
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Almost all of your disappointments were created by Congress |
jeff47 |
Apr-04-11 10:24 AM |
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That is not my assessment or the evidence I have given. |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 10:25 AM |
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The President is not all-powerful. |
jeff47 |
Apr-04-11 10:34 AM |
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The President is the head of the Democratic Party. |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 10:37 AM |
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So make him change. |
jeff47 |
Apr-04-11 10:51 AM |
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One person cannot make him change. |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 10:58 AM |
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Those 60 million are made up of individual persons |
jeff47 |
Apr-04-11 11:05 AM |
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Can't hurt. |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 11:11 AM |
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When people try to get him to change they afre called "Obama haters" |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 12:31 PM |
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People resist change?!?! Golly, who wouldda thunk? |
jeff47 |
Apr-04-11 01:21 PM |
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he's never going to call me names personally -- I'm a nobody. But... |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 05:18 PM |
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Again, so what? |
jeff47 |
Apr-05-11 09:52 AM |
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Thank you. I don't know why this is so difficult for Fearless to see. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 04:06 PM |
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Wow, Congress must be forging Obama's signature too then. nt |
NorthCarolina |
Apr-04-11 10:58 AM |
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He can only sign the bills they pass |
jeff47 |
Apr-04-11 11:04 AM |
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I think you missed the point; that being 'he doesn't Have to sign them'. |
NorthCarolina |
Apr-04-11 05:45 PM |
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But if we can get you and others to understand that the problem was and has always been |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 03:25 PM |
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Bluedogs have stopped him from ideologically supporting points of view? |
Fearless |
Apr-06-11 09:58 AM |
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"I just do not know what I am going to do." Uhhh... |
Tarheel_Dem |
Apr-04-11 10:31 AM |
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The president must be 35 or older as per the US Constitution. |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 10:38 AM |
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Apr-04-11 10:42 AM |
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The quote of mine you made was in regards to what to do at the ballot |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 10:45 AM |
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If you thought that was a personal attack, then you certainly don't have... |
Tarheel_Dem |
Apr-04-11 11:00 AM |
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Way up there on the snark-o-meter. |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 11:13 AM |
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That's a meaningless response -- Not everyone is cut out to be a politician |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 12:35 PM |
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Excellent post, Fearless. I will vote Obama, despite the disappointments... |
Rabblevox |
Apr-04-11 10:39 AM |
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Quite an excellent, honest OP. I believe your sentiments are reflective of a majority of Dems |
NorthCarolina |
Apr-04-11 10:55 AM |
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I would say its the majority of people on DU, not a majority of Democrats. All the polls suggest |
stevenleser |
Apr-04-11 11:11 AM |
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I doubt its even a majority of DUers |
onenote |
Apr-04-11 12:17 PM |
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Well, a majority of those that are still here and havent left in disgust at some of their DU peers. |
stevenleser |
Apr-04-11 11:55 PM |
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Agreed. The most discontent from anyone on the Left I've heard has been here. n/t |
CakeGrrl |
Apr-04-11 02:36 PM |
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The majority of dems? Really? Yathink? |
lamp_shade |
Apr-04-11 12:05 PM |
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I know what I'm not going to do |
whatchamacallit |
Apr-04-11 11:09 AM |
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It isn't all on the President. Get Teabaggers, Wingnuts and Blue Dogs out of Congress. n/t |
CakeGrrl |
Apr-04-11 11:21 AM |
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Most of the votes for "President" will have ZERO effect ... |
bvar22 |
Apr-04-11 11:46 AM |
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could you elaborate? |
onenote |
Apr-04-11 12:20 PM |
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You sound smart and your post is nicely done..... |
FrenchieCat |
Apr-04-11 11:51 AM |
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Well said!!!! |
vduhr |
Apr-04-11 12:19 PM |
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"Me, I'll blame all of this nation's citizens," Well, thanks for blaming the victims. We happen to |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-04-11 12:38 PM |
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The fact is clear in your response, |
FrenchieCat |
Apr-04-11 01:08 PM |
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I agree, Frenchie. No, I don't agree with everything but I'll be |
Fire1 |
Apr-04-11 03:31 PM |
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Thanks, FC, as always. I just think it's royally fucked up that out of anger, |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 04:30 PM |
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Thanks, FC, as always. I just think it's royally fucked up that out of anger, |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 04:30 PM |
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+1 n/t |
politicasista |
Apr-04-11 04:47 PM |
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It is not just one man, it is his enablers as well. |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-04-11 08:54 PM |
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Unfortunately, I share your sentiments. |
archiemo |
Apr-04-11 12:01 PM |
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The other side of the coin is that a tea bag presidency may lead to |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-04-11 12:34 PM |
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I guess you could teach Obama a lesson and not vote. |
ReturnoftheDjedi |
Apr-04-11 12:46 PM |
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Trust me, you are going to vote Obama and LOVE doing it! |
Township75 |
Apr-04-11 01:03 PM |
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The downward nature of that cycle is why many of us are so frustrated |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 01:11 PM |
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+1 |
Fearless |
Apr-04-11 01:13 PM |
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Im with you dude, |
Township75 |
Apr-04-11 01:17 PM |
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I guess my quibble is with the concept of being "happy" ablout it |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 02:30 PM |
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I think you're wrong. Obama has been the most progressive Democratic president |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 04:39 PM |
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+1 |
dionysus |
Apr-04-11 07:11 PM |
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as a long time DUer, you jogged my memory. the Dean\Kerry wars (i liked Dean) |
dionysus |
Apr-04-11 07:10 PM |
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Sorry. Won't happen. nt |
Lorien |
Apr-04-11 10:23 PM |
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If you're worried now, let the Republicans take over the Senate and the presidency, too, |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 01:18 PM |
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k/r |
emilyg |
Apr-04-11 01:30 PM |
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The GOP's goal all along has been to block Obama at every turn ... |
JoePhilly |
Apr-04-11 01:59 PM |
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I've been waiting patiently for you to come up in here and drop some knowledge! |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 04:48 PM |
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Apr-04-11 01:59 PM |
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i think |
DemocratAholic |
Apr-04-11 02:38 PM |
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+1 The politics that breeds cynicism is as big a threat as the GOP strategies |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 02:46 PM |
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But that's what the Republicans want you to think. And by and large, they have suceeded. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 04:59 PM |
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I want liberal bumpersticker slogans |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 05:11 PM |
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I've had the distinct pleasure of meeting Bernie many times. I am a Sanders Democrat. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Apr-04-11 10:13 PM |
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You hit the nail on the head |
Armstead |
Apr-04-11 11:00 PM |
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Apr-04-11 07:14 PM |
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Bill Maher: "...the difference between a disappointing friend and a deadly enemy". |
CakeGrrl |
Apr-04-11 02:40 PM |
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Very well said - and about health care |
democrat2thecore |
Apr-04-11 03:18 PM |
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Door 1 and door 2 will lead to the same place? Really? |
Mass |
Apr-04-11 03:39 PM |
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I only have one good reason left to vote for Obama. |
Efilroft Sul |
Apr-04-11 04:01 PM |
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Me too. |
DH of Oregon |
Apr-04-11 04:42 PM |
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My advice: YouTube Rachel Maddow for the HUGE list of Obama's PROGRESSIVE accomplishments.SLAM DUNK! |
RBInMaine |
Apr-04-11 05:29 PM |
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It's a small world we have the same degrees. |
craigmatic |
Apr-04-11 06:22 PM |
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If still don't know, that's pretty sad. |
Ikonoklast |
Apr-04-11 06:45 PM |
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Whoever runs to the Left of Obama has my vote |
Lorien |
Apr-04-11 10:22 PM |
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Good luck with that! |
FrenchieCat |
Apr-04-11 11:28 PM |
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Run For Office... |
graceastrology |
Apr-04-11 11:38 PM |
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The election is over now. The republicans are assured a win... |
Safetykitten |
Apr-04-11 11:52 PM |
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If you cannot see the difference between the tea party and the Democrats..t here is nothing |
Peacetrain |
Apr-05-11 10:26 AM |
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really too funny. oh my that evil President Obama has let us all |
okieinpain |
Apr-05-11 03:43 PM |
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Apr-06-11 10:11 PM |
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It really isn't difficult at all |
quaker bill |
Apr-06-11 11:08 PM |
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more like "Clueless".. |
DCBob |
Apr-06-11 11:10 PM |
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Unfortunately |
LatteLibertine |
Apr-07-11 08:25 AM |
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