jefferson_dem
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Wed Dec-16-09 12:38 PM
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We both wouuld be jumping for joy if they used reconciliation. Sadly, I don't see that happening so we have to deal with reality.
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| -Howard Dean and the Goal Posts - His healthcare plan in 2004 was worse than the current bill. |
jefferson_dem |
Dec-16-09 12:17 PM |
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So like Lieberman who was for Medicare expansion before he was against it. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-16-09 12:19 PM |
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That's interesting, if true. Funny how standards change. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-16-09 12:21 PM |
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His plan - no public option, no co-opts, no market controls such as protection from denial... |
jefferson_dem |
Dec-16-09 12:23 PM |
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No individual mandate? |
Laelth |
Dec-17-09 05:58 PM |
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Standards can change when circumstances do |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-16-09 12:26 PM |
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But doesn't this lend credibility to the "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" argument? |
jefferson_dem |
Dec-16-09 12:29 PM |
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There is also the "don't let the so-so be the enemy of the good argument" |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-16-09 12:36 PM |
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I hear you. |
jefferson_dem |
Dec-16-09 12:38 PM |
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Name removed |
Dec-16-09 12:23 PM |
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People are allowed to evolve and change their mionds based on changing circumstances |
Armstead |
Dec-16-09 12:24 PM |
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What has practically changed in regards to HC from five years ago? TIA |
uponit7771 |
Dec-16-09 12:32 PM |
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Practically speaking? The number of Dem votes in Senate and Congress. |
blm |
Dec-16-09 12:51 PM |
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Much higher rates, more angry policyholders, Democratic majority, etc. |
Armstead |
Dec-16-09 12:54 PM |
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lol, is the President? NT |
Clio the Leo |
Dec-16-09 12:39 PM |
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But was there a mandate |
atreides1 |
Dec-16-09 12:24 PM |
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Need mandate to make it universal and so people don't game the system |
Larkspur |
Dec-16-09 12:27 PM |
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Yes. There was a mandate just as there is a mandate in the Vermont state plan. |
quiller4 |
Dec-17-09 05:15 PM |
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false on both counts |
dsc |
Dec-17-09 05:56 PM |
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Dean also told Countdown that Congress can pass the few good parts of the bill |
Larkspur |
Dec-16-09 12:25 PM |
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Shhhhhhh....No thinking allowed. |
Armstead |
Dec-16-09 12:27 PM |
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Yes, thinking is quite allowed..I welcome it. |
Cha |
Dec-16-09 12:33 PM |
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So the good parts of this bill are still better than the best parts of Dean's. |
jefferson_dem |
Dec-16-09 12:32 PM |
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And how long will that take? |
Clio the Leo |
Dec-16-09 12:40 PM |
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So what's with all the "Kill The Bill"? That's not |
Cha |
Dec-16-09 12:57 PM |
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It aint 2004. |
harun |
Dec-16-09 12:34 PM |
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Pretty remarkable. Thanks K and R. |
Kdillard |
Dec-16-09 12:37 PM |
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6 reccomendations on a Dean bashing post? |
Sebastian Doyle |
Dec-16-09 12:38 PM |
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Wow. |
jefferson_dem |
Dec-16-09 12:39 PM |
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T'weren't for Dean, there's be no party |
BeyondGeography |
Dec-16-09 12:42 PM |
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lol, some leaders are worthy of hero worship and some aren't? |
Clio the Leo |
Dec-16-09 12:42 PM |
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I see it as facts being brought to light and you think it's bashing? |
Cha |
Dec-16-09 12:45 PM |
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Who do people work for? The DEMOCRATIC president -- Barack |
CBR |
Dec-17-09 03:44 PM |
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Nice try, Ezra |
Zodiak |
Dec-16-09 12:46 PM |
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+1 |
PassingFair |
Dec-16-09 12:51 PM |
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+++1 that needs an OP all of its own |
ima_sinnic |
Dec-17-09 05:20 PM |
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I hope so. Show people what a fool Dean really is |
sandnsea |
Dec-17-09 06:06 PM |
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great post |
dana_b |
Dec-17-09 06:00 PM |
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Thanks for this. Klein is clearly working someone's agenda... nt |
Blasphemer |
Dec-17-09 06:03 PM |
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You have a whacko interpretation of what the man said |
sandnsea |
Dec-17-09 06:04 PM |
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How much have insurance premiums increased since 2004? |
PassingFair |
Dec-16-09 12:48 PM |
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You know how Obama used to support single payer - but now we're told his position has "evolved"? |
dflprincess |
Dec-17-09 12:23 PM |
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Not sure how we could get another |
Cha |
Dec-16-09 04:37 PM |
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Kick. |
jefferson_dem |
Dec-16-09 07:38 PM |
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It's not only better than Dean's plan, it is better than Clintons too |
SpartanDem |
Dec-17-09 02:57 PM |
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Did it contain an individual mandate? I doubt it. |
Laelth |
Dec-17-09 05:57 PM |
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Did Obama's before it hit Congress? |
BklnDem75 |
Dec-17-09 06:02 PM |
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Admittedly, Obama "changed his mind." |
Laelth |
Dec-17-09 06:07 PM |
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You call it changing his mind |
BklnDem75 |
Dec-17-09 06:22 PM |
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If I am lucky, he will veto the bill that hits his desk. |
Laelth |
Dec-17-09 06:26 PM |
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Until then, let's all panic! |
BklnDem75 |
Dec-17-09 06:48 PM |
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Once the bill is signed, there will be nothing we can do. |
Laelth |
Dec-17-09 06:51 PM |
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How's that working out so far? |
BklnDem75 |
Dec-17-09 07:08 PM |
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I hope he'll listen and alter course. We'll see. |
Laelth |
Dec-17-09 07:23 PM |
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Yes, let's wait until he signs the mandate into law. |
brentspeak |
Dec-17-09 07:11 PM |
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Or better yet |
BklnDem75 |
Dec-17-09 07:16 PM |
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This is like watching one of those terrible MTP episodes when comments taken out of |
grantcart |
Dec-17-09 06:11 PM |
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