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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 01:40 PM
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18. No one can factually deny that domestic, diplomatic and economic policies have changed dramatically.
Its true that some of whats been done has fell short of living up to the all mighty progressive standard. But he didn't have to get an A+ on the scale of liberalism in order to claim that there have been vast changes.

The health insurance industry is in fact subject to a significant amount of new, consumer favoring regulations. This is true with or without a public option.

The financial industry is in fact subject to a significant amount of new regulation and oversight. This is true with or without nationalizing the banks, banning derivatives or reinstating Glass Steagal.

Our economy has had an enormous amount of domestic stimulus poured into it by this administration. Yes, its half of what Paul Krugman says it should have been, but it doesn't have to be Krugman's number to still be enormous. This kind of spending was basically ignored for 8 years.

And despite the fact that we are still in Afghanistan, Iraq actually has came to a close. Yes, we still have people stationed there, but its nowhere near the kind of thing it was when it could still be called a real war. Its not a real war anymore and its been wound down significantly. On top of that, this administration has actually reached out to the middle eastern world in ways that are direct opposite of the way the last administration approached its relations over there. That doesn't mean we don't still have some bad policies because of energy concerns, that doesn't mean we aren't still doing a lot of bad shit we shouldn't be doing over there. But the sabre isn't rattling nearly as much as it was when the cowboy was in charge.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell was ended. The federal government is no longer supporting or defending the anti-gay parts of DOMA. Hate crimes against GLBT folk are more strongly prosecuted. Women now have more room to defend themselves against pay discrimination. And people from all walks of life, races, religions, sexual orientations and various ethnic backgrounds have been given high positions in the federal government as this is one of the most diverse administrations in American history. 2 brilliant women have been appointed to the Supreme Court, 1 being the first latino.

When you put the entire policy picture together and compare it to what was going on from 2000-2008, there is no way you can say there haven't been significant changes. There have been problems. There have been letdowns. There have been compromises, some necessary, some not so necessary. Barack Obama has been, as he said he would be, an imperfect President. Yet, he has been a vastly different kind of President than George Bush and he has overseen the push through of the most progressive leaning legislations since LBJ. For those of us in our 30s or younger, that means he has been the most progressive President in our lifetime.
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  -Will the 'hope' and 'change' memes come back to haunt Obama in 2012? Avant Guardian  Mar-04-11 01:06 PM   #0 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-04-11 01:10 PM   #1 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-04-11 01:11 PM   #2 
  - Sorry that you are offended  Avant Guardian   Mar-04-11 01:19 PM   #6 
  - Have you been ignoring current events during the two years? Obviously you have.  ClarkUSA   Mar-04-11 01:14 PM   #3 
  - I don't think he can use "change" again.  Autumn   Mar-04-11 01:16 PM   #4 
  - True on every point  Avant Guardian   Mar-04-11 01:18 PM   #5 
  - He can use "continuing Progress" then. Because that's what he will do.  WolfoftheWild   Mar-04-11 01:20 PM   #7 
  - Why not, considering how much CHANGE he's already wrought and how much more he can do?  ClarkUSA   Mar-04-11 01:21 PM   #8 
     - Proof of what? Your link goes to the poster  Autumn   Mar-04-11 01:26 PM   #11 
        - Fixed.  ClarkUSA   Mar-04-11 01:30 PM   #13 
  - He can't run on change again at least not unless he means changing congress. As far as hope goes I  craigmatic   Mar-04-11 01:21 PM   #9 
  - Good ideas.  ClarkUSA   Mar-04-11 01:24 PM   #10 
  - He has to take ownership of the message first  Avant Guardian   Mar-04-11 01:34 PM   #16 
     - lol! Like BushCo's "ownership society"? No thanks. Obama personifies CHANGE.  ClarkUSA   Mar-04-11 01:42 PM   #19 
        - No not like Bushes, 'Ownership society'  Avant Guardian   Mar-04-11 01:59 PM   #21 
           - You sure?? BTW, I'm still waiting for proof of your claim re: "... no hope for the economic future"  ClarkUSA   Mar-04-11 02:03 PM   #22 
              - See post #26  Avant Guardian   Mar-04-11 03:18 PM   #29 
  - The economy is improving, and will despite GOP efforts, continue to do so ...  JoePhilly   Mar-04-11 01:28 PM   #12 
  - He can run on an altered version of the change meme  Avant Guardian   Mar-04-11 03:27 PM   #31 
  - I think so ... recall that he always said ....  JoePhilly   Mar-04-11 05:14 PM   #40 
  - OH yeah ... the "jobless recovery."  Bake   Mar-07-11 06:37 PM   #58 
  - If he wanted to be very Democratic, he'd run on "Gov't of, by and for THE PEOPLE"...  polichick   Mar-04-11 01:32 PM   #14 
  - Well, his Wall Street reform bill is proof of his Democratic values and leadership.  ClarkUSA   Mar-04-11 01:36 PM   #17 
  - There is hope and change afoot IMHO  Proud Liberal Dem   Mar-04-11 01:33 PM   #15 
  - Obama has to wrest back control of the messsage  Avant Guardian   Mar-04-11 02:21 PM   #25 
     - I agree  Proud Liberal Dem   Mar-04-11 02:42 PM   #27 
        - That is why using his principles (cabinet members) is so critical  Avant Guardian   Mar-04-11 03:17 PM   #28 
  - No one can factually deny that domestic, diplomatic and economic policies have changed dramatically.  phleshdef   Mar-04-11 01:40 PM   #18 
  - Of course, an incumbent president would never run on "change".  jefferson_dem   Mar-04-11 01:50 PM   #20 
  - Unless he controls the message  Avant Guardian   Mar-04-11 02:09 PM   #23 
  - Didn't you already agree w/Autumn that he couldn't run on change or hope?  ClarkUSA   Mar-04-11 02:18 PM   #24 
     - See post #21  Avant Guardian   Mar-04-11 02:25 PM   #26 
        - LOL! In other words, you don't want to explain why you're backtracking now.  ClarkUSA   Mar-04-11 03:25 PM   #30 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-04-11 03:30 PM   #32 
           - See post #31  Avant Guardian   Mar-05-11 12:06 PM   #48 
  - A recycled Ronnie Reagan slogan,  Autumn   Mar-05-11 11:21 AM   #45 
  - This gives me so much hope,said 17-year-old Zakiya Willies.It inspires me to always do my best."  ClarkUSA   Mar-04-11 03:36 PM   #33 
  - What do you mean "come back"?  blogslut   Mar-04-11 03:46 PM   #34 
  - I mean to be used against him politically In the 2012 race  Avant Guardian   Mar-04-11 04:11 PM   #35 
  - Obama's 2012 slogan "Hope for Change"  ReggieVeggie   Mar-04-11 04:16 PM   #36 
  - That slogan was doomed from the start.  bigwillq   Mar-04-11 04:29 PM   #37 
  - It should be "ACTION AND PROGRESS" because that is just exactly what we have gotten.  RBInMaine   Mar-04-11 04:45 PM   #38 
  - Out of curiosity...  Sheepshank   Mar-04-11 05:11 PM   #39 
  - He can definitely run on HOPE and CHANGE. However I see hi m pushing D vs. R.  vaberella   Mar-04-11 05:23 PM   #41 
  - no, they won't come back to haunt him.  OhioBlue   Mar-04-11 09:39 PM   #42 
  - These have a familiar ring.  rug   Mar-04-11 10:53 PM   #43 
  - this post has a familiar ring.  WolfoftheWild   Mar-05-11 12:15 PM   #49 
  - Republicans will be hammering those catch phrases.  EndElectoral   Mar-05-11 10:05 AM   #44 
  - He can reuse them with a new truthful slant  whatchamacallit   Mar-05-11 11:47 AM   #46 
  - They have already haunted him in the midterms  mochajava666   Mar-05-11 11:57 AM   #47 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-05-11 03:00 PM   #51 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-05-11 03:22 PM   #52 
  - The youth didn't show up  Avant Guardian   Mar-05-11 10:58 PM   #54 
     - Speaking as a young political junkie..  Kitsune   Mar-06-11 12:42 PM   #56 
  - The Paucity of Hope  rusty fender   Mar-06-11 10:48 AM   #55 
  - Only among those who didn't understand that change doesn't happen easily  Arkana   Mar-05-11 02:59 PM   #50 
  - Hopey Changey  otohara   Mar-05-11 03:55 PM   #53 
  - Obama has done a latta POSITIVE things in 24 months....he will kill um nx year.  opihimoimoi   Mar-07-11 02:28 AM   #57 

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