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Fri Feb-25-11 08:17 AM
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| 24. On the issue of FIGHTING I must agree, the Dem's do tend to be spineless |
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However, you should remember that when you push people hard and far enough they will at some point fight back. The middle class is now fighting for it's very existence and I do NOT believe the people will lose.
The Democratic party will conclude that the people will not be denied their rights on this issue and when the majority of the democratic party realizes this they will get on board. They will then get a lot of sound bites out about them "standing for the working man/woman" in order to take credit for the movement the people have accomplished.
Never forget Politicians are opportunists.
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| -Labor is going to lose this fight...And we have only ourselves to blame |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 03:12 AM |
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As long as the WI 14 stay out of WI, the Repukes won't win on this union-busting issue |
Larkspur |
Feb-25-11 03:14 AM |
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The 14 are doing a great job -- But they can't stay away forever |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 03:25 AM |
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they don't care that they are losing the PR battle. |
provis99 |
Feb-25-11 03:25 AM |
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The PR battle was lost years ago. |
olegramps |
Feb-25-11 09:27 AM |
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Thats a problem? Everything points back at Repukes let |
Lastactiongyro |
Mar-09-11 07:02 AM |
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And we should do what? |
Sherman A1 |
Feb-25-11 03:24 AM |
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I don't think there are any solutions. |
provis99 |
Feb-25-11 03:26 AM |
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Get our damn leaders to actually take a stand and LEAD |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 03:33 AM |
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You mean like Russ Feingold? |
mahina |
Feb-25-11 05:00 AM |
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Why is LEAD always in capital letters? |
treestar |
Feb-25-11 03:20 PM |
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People sorta thought they were doing that in 2008 |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 05:33 PM |
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Self delete -- posted twice |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 03:33 AM |
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I predict this will go to the courts and be OVERTURNED!! before 2012 election |
bigdarryl |
Feb-25-11 04:07 AM |
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I hope it gets overturned....But in the meantime, our national leaders should be... |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 08:31 AM |
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If they did, it would undermine the growing grassroots labor movement |
guruoo |
Mar-08-11 05:43 PM |
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Can you please elaborate on what legal basis it would be overturned? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Feb-25-11 09:12 AM |
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Whose side are you on? |
Kingofalldems |
Feb-25-11 10:48 AM |
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The Democratic side, oh course |
Freddie Stubbs |
Feb-25-11 11:14 AM |
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actually it is a valid question |
dsc |
Mar-01-11 05:39 AM |
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The wingnuts get elected and do what their constituents elected them to do. |
Tatiana |
Feb-25-11 04:28 AM |
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^ This is the answer. n/t |
QC |
Feb-25-11 07:58 AM |
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+100 |
Myrina |
Feb-25-11 08:50 AM |
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Great Response -- One reply though...Maybe the workers can somehow prevail in this one BUT |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 09:05 AM |
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Let's flip that around.... |
Tatiana |
Feb-25-11 09:24 AM |
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Maybe we all need to unite |
GinaMaria |
Feb-25-11 03:35 PM |
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Indeed! |
somone |
Feb-25-11 02:29 PM |
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You speak the truth n/t |
golfguru |
Mar-08-11 09:45 PM |
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I can't make the dem leadership do anything. |
xchrom |
Feb-25-11 04:36 AM |
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"Leadership is a matter of action, not position." |
Tansy_Gold |
Feb-25-11 06:36 AM |
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+1 |
xchrom |
Feb-25-11 06:50 AM |
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+1! eom |
jtuck004 |
Feb-25-11 07:29 AM |
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yeah, i'm sure it broke your heart . |
dionysus |
Feb-25-11 08:24 AM |
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Seriously, I don't like writing this shit |
Tansy_Gold |
Feb-25-11 09:09 AM |
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+1000 to you Tansy |
louslobbs |
Feb-25-11 01:51 PM |
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Republicans create a monolithic block with a single goal. Can't beat that. |
Kablooie |
Feb-25-11 04:56 AM |
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We have our BOUGHT LEADERS to thank - I'm not blaming Dems who... |
polichick |
Feb-25-11 05:13 AM |
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I should amend it and make clear I am not saying ALL of us... |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 08:38 AM |
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imo we're getting to the time when our party has to decide what it actually stands for... |
polichick |
Feb-25-11 09:38 AM |
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Not necessarily... |
rasputin1952 |
Feb-25-11 05:31 AM |
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You may be correct -- But this is a national issue at core, and they need some backup |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 08:39 AM |
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I think that as far as WH goes, they should support the protesters... |
rasputin1952 |
Feb-25-11 09:19 AM |
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There ya go! |
BobbyBoring |
Feb-25-11 12:23 PM |
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Parts of the Democratic party no longer care about labor. They |
Exilednight |
Feb-25-11 05:50 AM |
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True - and Obama probably thinks he'll get more indie votes if he... |
polichick |
Feb-25-11 06:01 AM |
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That is complete BS |
karynnj |
Feb-25-11 02:39 PM |
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Open Secrets also tells us that Obama took 76.5 million in bundled money from corporate elites. |
Exilednight |
Feb-25-11 08:15 PM |
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Don't worry, Kerry is a strong closer! |
Democat |
Feb-25-11 06:34 AM |
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dems should stand up for the workers |
mdmc |
Feb-25-11 07:03 AM |
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You presume that when the goppies pass the bill, there's nothing we can do |
sybylla |
Feb-25-11 07:23 AM |
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You may be correct. But my point is... |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 08:43 AM |
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The Dems lost the working class because they never even put up a fight |
rocktivity |
Feb-25-11 07:51 AM |
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On the issue of FIGHTING I must agree, the Dem's do tend to be spineless |
fasttense |
Feb-25-11 08:17 AM |
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"Labor is going to lose this fight..." |
ProSense |
Feb-25-11 08:23 AM |
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Er, you just made my point |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 08:51 AM |
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No, I didn't make your point |
ProSense |
Feb-25-11 08:54 AM |
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Because Democfrats don't give working people many real alternatives |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 09:00 AM |
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Oh please. |
ProSense |
Feb-25-11 09:07 AM |
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No I think it would be a golod idea to tell the truth and fight for it |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 09:31 AM |
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I simply don't buy this argument. |
ProSense |
Feb-25-11 09:47 AM |
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I am not talking about the state leaders in Wisconsin |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 09:53 AM |
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That would be dumb |
jeff47 |
Feb-25-11 10:27 AM |
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Um, how many times have we heard that before? |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 11:17 AM |
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I'm not saying that |
jeff47 |
Feb-25-11 01:33 PM |
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Who exactly said the last two things? |
Arkana |
Feb-28-11 04:39 PM |
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Is this Eeyore Underground? I swear this is *why* we lose - we give up too early |
myrna minx |
Feb-25-11 08:31 AM |
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I'm not saying we SHOULD give this up. I am saying our national leaders are not taking a lead |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 08:53 AM |
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Walker has woken labor up across the United States. And the public, |
Jennicut |
Feb-25-11 08:35 AM |
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Walker has woken up labor -- But the question is has he woken up the Democratic Establishment? |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 08:54 AM |
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Walker |
ProSense |
Feb-25-11 09:12 AM |
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They have been stupid for decades and have been quick to overreach for even longer |
TheKentuckian |
Mar-09-11 06:30 AM |
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The people in Wisconsin can start a recall as ProSense has posted. |
Jennicut |
Feb-25-11 09:30 AM |
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While your post is true, it leaves out the "elephant in the room", which |
ladjf |
Feb-25-11 09:37 AM |
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In theory Obama tapped into the desire of a counterweight to that in 08 |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 09:40 AM |
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And a lot of that was smoke and mirrors anyway - he got more money... |
polichick |
Feb-25-11 09:42 AM |
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No argument there or with the previous poster either. nt |
ladjf |
Feb-25-11 12:12 PM |
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From your point of view ... |
GeorgeGist |
Feb-25-11 09:43 AM |
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My point was that by continuing -- for decades -- to move away from... |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 09:58 AM |
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There will a fight...Truth, wisdom, common sense, and Reason will WIN. |
opihimoimoi |
Feb-25-11 10:01 AM |
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And it's attitudes like this that are the reason we lose all the time. |
Arkana |
Feb-25-11 10:37 AM |
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I am not saying come down like a brick on Walker personally... |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 11:12 AM |
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The labor movement will have to rise again, in a new form |
frazzled |
Feb-25-11 11:13 AM |
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20 years from now the US will be a fuedal backwater if we don't address this stuff NOW |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 11:26 AM |
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I didn't say we shouldn't start this rebuilding right now |
frazzled |
Feb-25-11 11:38 AM |
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Alas, I've seen us continually slip backward in terms of issues of money and power |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 11:43 AM |
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With $3.6 Billion shortfall, results in WI are inevitable |
golfguru |
Feb-25-11 11:21 AM |
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The best way to destroy a party and everything it stands for is to buy it. |
HughBeaumont |
Feb-25-11 12:04 PM |
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Obama completely understands what is at risk nationally |
Sheepshank |
Feb-25-11 02:18 PM |
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It's not rlocket science |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 02:45 PM |
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The rocket science in this is that you are implying nothing has been said on the matter. |
Sheepshank |
Feb-25-11 03:06 PM |
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Dick Durbin nailed it the other day.... |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 03:13 PM |
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If the vote goes the wrong way, there's always the option to strike |
JustABozoOnThisBus |
Feb-25-11 04:37 PM |
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The media is to blame for a lot of our problems, look at how uninformed people are |
ShadowLiberal |
Feb-25-11 05:42 PM |
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True -- which is one reason Democrats should have fought against... |
Armstead |
Feb-25-11 05:51 PM |
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Walker may win this round but I believe he will lose the war. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-28-11 09:00 AM |
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Wisconsin is going to be the Right's Pearl Harbor. |
Ikonoklast |
Feb-28-11 09:06 AM |
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Bull. |
CLANG |
Feb-28-11 09:42 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-28-11 12:14 PM |
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NAH |
Armstead |
Mar-08-11 03:46 PM |
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a good number of Wisconsin's union households screwed it for the rest |
asphalt.jungle |
Mar-01-11 06:59 AM |
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.. |
mdmc |
Mar-08-11 03:30 PM |
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This is bigger than Wisconsin, and leadership of it (for now) needs to remain with the grassoots, |
guruoo |
Mar-08-11 05:16 PM |
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You make good points. |
Jakes Progress |
Mar-08-11 09:39 PM |
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The Democrats and Republicans are basically the same |
murdoch |
Mar-08-11 10:08 PM |
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Recall of the senators is underway. Time is on our side. |
Lastactiongyro |
Mar-09-11 06:51 AM |
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How's that crow tasting right about now? n/t |
backscatter712 |
Mar-09-11 11:39 AM |
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Did we win? I guess I missed that in the news. |
former9thward |
Mar-09-11 11:54 AM |
#105 |
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