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Due to falling energy prices, Obama is proposing cuts to LIHEAP funding without reducing services
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Edited on Fri Feb-18-11 07:47 PM by ClarkUSA
The cost of running the program is the same but since energy prices have gone down since he first called for an increase, there's no longer the need to sustain an increase which was never meant to be permanent in the first place.

President Obama defended Tuesday his proposal to slash funding for a program to provide assistance to poor Americans who can't pay their heating bills.

Obama said he called for significant increases to the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program earlier in his presidency when energy prices were spiking. But he said the program can be cut because energy prices have stabilized. LIHEAP is currently funded at $5.1 billion and Obama's fiscal year 2012 budget request calls for cutting the program by $2.5 billlion.

"Energy prices have now gone down but the cost of the program has stayed the same," Obama said during a press conference Tuesday. "Lets go back to a more sustainable level."

Obama signaled that he would be willing to reconsider the cuts if energy prices spike again. "If it turns out there is another huge energy spike, then we can revisit it," he said.

Get it? President Obama is exercising common sense.

These are the facts. The logic here is pretty easy to follow, so I hope those who are so concerned about this issue are more informed now.
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  -Due to falling energy prices, Obama is proposing cuts to LIHEAP funding without reducing services ClarkUSA  Feb-18-11 07:24 PM   #0 
  - Interesting  atreides1   Feb-18-11 07:26 PM   #1 
  - Pres. Obama has that covered. See the last quoted sentence.  ClarkUSA   Feb-18-11 07:32 PM   #2 
     - yes "we can revisit it", code for "you're fooked". nm  rhett o rick   Feb-21-11 07:19 PM   #164 
  - I tried explaining that the other day to no avail  BklnDem75   Feb-18-11 07:33 PM   #3 
  - Demonizing Pres. Obama rather than listening to the facts is a sign of obvious bias, of course.  ClarkUSA   Feb-18-11 07:35 PM   #4 
  - You are probably right  polmaven   Feb-18-11 08:32 PM   #7 
  - Your facts are disinformation. I crunched through ALL the data myself laboriously.  Bonobo   Feb-19-11 09:59 AM   #26 
  - Your OP offers no facts except that the funding is cut by nearly half.  tekisui   Feb-19-11 11:11 AM   #30 
     - And it's still crickets from the OP and the people high fiving him. eom  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 11:51 AM   #35 
  - Probably because everyone laughed  brentspeak   Feb-18-11 08:58 PM   #11 
  - I know I'm laughing.. $3.75 9/10ths per gallon here.  Grinchie   Feb-18-11 11:43 PM   #18 
  - Yeah hilarious  BklnDem75   Feb-19-11 06:52 PM   #117 
  - EXACTLY! People simply like to bash Obama!  SkyDaddy7   Feb-20-11 01:11 PM   #155 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-18-11 07:42 PM   #5 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-18-11 08:26 PM   #6 
     - Bonobo in post #23 has rebutted your OP  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 11:49 AM   #34 
     - Check post #37, too.  tekisui   Feb-19-11 11:55 AM   #39 
  - Thank you for this ClarkUSA...  tallahasseedem   Feb-18-11 08:36 PM   #8 
  - This OP offers no facts.  tekisui   Feb-19-11 01:27 PM   #62 
  - What energy prices have gone down?  former9thward   Feb-18-11 08:40 PM   #9 
  - Not mine. Just about to pay the highest electric bill I've ever had  Lucinda   Feb-19-11 01:46 PM   #63 
     - Mine was $400 last month -- National Greed/Grid  eilen   Feb-19-11 03:03 PM   #83 
        - Ouch. Mine is $300....which is obscene.  Lucinda   Feb-19-11 03:24 PM   #89 
           - It's been mighty cold here in upstate NY.  eilen   Feb-19-11 03:45 PM   #94 
  - I find it hard to believe energy prices are all that down  dsc   Feb-18-11 08:49 PM   #10 
  - Your instincts are correct.  Bonobo   Feb-19-11 09:59 AM   #27 
  - You are guessing here  treestar   Feb-19-11 12:18 PM   #46 
  - Here are the facts, the OP is baseless and without any:  tekisui   Feb-19-11 02:05 PM   #70 
  - I know one thing, my propane is higher.  Autumn   Feb-19-11 06:23 PM   #113 
  - Thank you for posting this! n/t  jenmito   Feb-18-11 09:01 PM   #12 
  - According to the National Energy Assistance Directors Association  PA Democrat   Feb-18-11 09:17 PM   #13 
  - knr your reply - "Adm. Proposal Cuts 3.1 Million Households from Energy Assistance"  slipslidingaway   Feb-18-11 09:31 PM   #16 
  - I just don't see how the numbers can support Obama's claim.  tekisui   Feb-19-11 11:35 AM   #33 
  - Some prices up, some down.  hay rick   Feb-18-11 09:19 PM   #14 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-18-11 09:20 PM   #15 
  - What a complete load of crap. What President Obama is actually doing is once again  xphile   Feb-18-11 11:20 PM   #17 
  - Welcome to DU  Auntie Bush   Feb-21-11 09:43 PM   #166 
  - Kick  angee_is_mad   Feb-18-11 11:49 PM   #19 
  - It's like talking to the wall  impik   Feb-19-11 08:55 AM   #20 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-19-11 09:58 AM   #25 
  - Thank you - it didn't make sense to me that Obama would cut off heat for the poor.  hedgehog   Feb-19-11 09:15 AM   #21 
  - I'd like to see the math behind this unsubstantiated statement.  tekisui   Feb-19-11 09:34 AM   #22 
  - You can see all the numbers I collected in my link to my post below.  Bonobo   Feb-19-11 09:58 AM   #24 
  - Except that energy prices aren't falling. They are going up.  Bonobo   Feb-19-11 09:55 AM   #23 
  - Thank you for looking at the numbers ...  slipslidingaway   Feb-19-11 10:08 AM   #28 
  - Thanks Bonobo. Maybe you could repost that  chill_wind   Feb-19-11 11:06 AM   #29 
  - Where are the numbers to prove this assertion?  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 11:30 AM   #31 
  - No one has produced any evidence supporting Obama's claim yet.  tekisui   Feb-19-11 11:34 AM   # 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Feb-19-11 11:34 AM   #32 
  - Keeping this kicked until the statement is substantiated. eom  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 11:53 AM   #36 
  - Check post #37, just below.  tekisui   Feb-19-11 11:55 AM   #38 
     - Where are the OP's numbers?  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 12:00 PM   #42 
  - I don't think Obama is right on this one.  tekisui   Feb-19-11 11:54 AM   #37 
  - The OP is a classic example of Appeal to Authority  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 11:56 AM   #40 
  - It's a fact!  tekisui   Feb-19-11 11:56 AM   #41 
  - Heh. Choosing to look only at 2009 does confirm your hypothesis.  Robb   Feb-19-11 12:39 PM   #50 
  - I'm not looking for a trend. I am looking at the numbers from last  tekisui   Feb-19-11 12:41 PM   #51 
  - So if energy prices aren't falling in the specific years you pick, they aren't falling?  Robb   Feb-19-11 12:48 PM   #55 
     - NGE are the only prices that I can find that are trending downward,  tekisui   Feb-19-11 01:07 PM   #59 
        - Your ultimate conclusion is correct, at least.  Robb   Feb-19-11 01:10 PM   #61 
  - That's not taking into account the increase in the number of households on LIHEAP  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 12:46 PM   #53 
  - Tekisui... you are the man. Glad to have you around. nt  Bonobo   Feb-20-11 12:10 AM   #146 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-19-11 12:04 PM   #43 
  - What a crock. n/t  hulka38   Feb-19-11 12:04 PM   #44 
  - So we should get all of the facts before jumping to conclusions?  treestar   Feb-19-11 12:17 PM   #45 
  - Facts are all over this thread, treestar  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 12:20 PM   #48 
  - The fucking laughing thingee!!!  displacedvermoter   Feb-22-11 11:56 AM   #178 
  - Neither Obama, the OP or you have offered any facts.  tekisui   Feb-19-11 12:42 PM   #52 
  - Oh come on, it's just poor people!  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 12:55 PM   #56 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-19-11 07:36 PM   #121 
     - Yeah, that's it.  tekisui   Feb-19-11 08:10 PM   #123 
  - There are no facts in the OP. It's pure spin.  xphile   Feb-19-11 05:42 PM   #104 
  - Where are the facts to substantiate the points in the OP ...  slipslidingaway   Feb-19-11 12:19 PM   #47 
  - That's what a lot of us keep asking  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 12:26 PM   #49 
     - Very telling that not one person has come forward to support the OP's claim. n/t  slipslidingaway   Feb-19-11 02:01 PM   #66 
        - Nope. All they have is "President Obama said so, neener neener." eom  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 02:03 PM   #68 
        - And still no facts, nice to just believe without any questions. n/t  slipslidingaway   Feb-20-11 10:08 PM   #157 
        - Because they can't. Obama is being very deceptive here.  tekisui   Feb-19-11 02:06 PM   #71 
           - When the OP says people are demonizing Obama and obviously have a bias...  slipslidingaway   Feb-20-11 10:13 PM   #158 
  - I agree ...It is just common sense.  bvar22   Feb-19-11 12:48 PM   #54 
  - Yep.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 12:57 PM   #57 
  - Politics. Good article at ProPublica  chill_wind   Feb-19-11 12:58 PM   #58 
  - I love one of the comments  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 01:08 PM   #60 
     - Plus it debunks all the actual BS about the waste and management  chill_wind   Feb-19-11 02:30 PM   #74 
  - so, Obama's not really kicking poor people out in the cold after all.  WolfoftheWild   Feb-19-11 01:52 PM   #64 
  - Yes he is.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 02:00 PM   #65 
  - Bullshit. Where's your data?  Phx_Dem   Feb-19-11 02:47 PM   #77 
     - Check posts #23 and #37,  tekisui   Feb-19-11 02:51 PM   #78 
     - And telling considering that this administration loves to put out spiffy charts  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 03:01 PM   #81 
     - It's all over this thread if you bothered to look.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 02:57 PM   #79 
        - posting old data again and again doesn't make it relevant.  WolfoftheWild   Feb-19-11 03:03 PM   #82 
           - This administration has never been shy about releasing numbers that make its policies look good  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 03:07 PM   #84 
           - First off, it isn't 'old data'. It is current and accurate.  tekisui   Feb-19-11 03:12 PM   #85 
              - do you work in the energy industry? where did you gain your expertise on this subject?  WolfoftheWild   Feb-19-11 03:21 PM   #87 
                 - THey haven't offered any numbers. The numbers are here. No  tekisui   Feb-19-11 03:24 PM   #88 
                    - You don't even have the facts on how LIHEAP was apportioned in the first place.  WolfoftheWild   Feb-19-11 03:44 PM   #92 
                       - It is easy logic.  tekisui   Feb-19-11 03:54 PM   #95 
                       - And you're agreeing with the President based on NO facts but his statement.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 04:55 PM   #101 
                          - post 106 is just for you  WolfoftheWild   Feb-19-11 05:55 PM   #108 
  - Maybe you should try reading some links instead of posting the same thing...  slipslidingaway   Feb-19-11 02:04 PM   #69 
  - And, you back that up how?  tekisui   Feb-19-11 02:28 PM   #73 
     - It is the Fox News method of back up.  bvar22   Feb-19-11 03:19 PM   #86 
  - So I'm only imagining my fuel oil bill is 50 cents a gallon higher this year?  Vinca   Feb-19-11 02:02 PM   #67 
  - And fuel prices don't tell the whole story anyway.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 02:13 PM   #72 
  - Of course he's not cuting heating for the poor. Anyone who thought he  Phx_Dem   Feb-19-11 02:38 PM   #75 
  - Can you support that? No one in this thread has been able to yet.  tekisui   Feb-19-11 02:43 PM   #76 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-19-11 02:58 PM   #80 
     - see post 106  WolfoftheWild   Feb-19-11 05:56 PM   #109 
  - if only the facts supported the logic  northernlights   Feb-19-11 03:33 PM   #90 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-19-11 03:40 PM   #91 
  - Yup, Prosense had explained this in a post when the budget came out.  vaberella   Feb-19-11 03:45 PM   #93 
  - Too bad there are no facts whatsoever to back the claim up.  tekisui   Feb-19-11 03:55 PM   #96 
  - I really didn't address this. The post  ProSense   Feb-19-11 05:20 PM   #103 
  - Yet, some Senators got attacked for jumping to conclusions  politicasista   Feb-19-11 05:53 PM   #107 
  - what crap  SwampG8r   Feb-22-11 12:20 PM   #179 
  - Kick, Rec. Excellent OP. n/t.  apocalypsehow   Feb-19-11 04:01 PM   #97 
  - The OP has nothing of substance. No facts, nothing to back up the claims.  tekisui   Feb-19-11 04:19 PM   #98 
  - Energy prices are falling? Really?  MadHound   Feb-19-11 04:42 PM   #99 
  - It's easy when it doesn't affect you personally  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 04:51 PM   #100 
     - I'll bet not a single person attacking *or* defending this needs LIHEAP.  boppers   Feb-22-11 02:45 AM   #176 
  - It IS Common Sense:  bvar22   Feb-19-11 05:16 PM   #102 
  - To put this forward is stunning.  hulka38   Feb-19-11 05:42 PM   #105 
  - Here are some numbers backing this up  WolfoftheWild   Feb-19-11 05:51 PM   #106 
  - You have not proven the thesis of the OP  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 06:05 PM   #110 
  - do you not get that most people on LIHEAP use Natural Gas, and that the price has gone down 18%  WolfoftheWild   Feb-19-11 06:25 PM   #114 
     - If there are more people on LIHEAP than in 2008 with the same funding  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 06:41 PM   #115 
        - "If".  boppers   Feb-19-11 10:22 PM   #129 
           - Here are the number. This is why he is right and you are wrong.  Bonobo   Feb-19-11 10:43 PM   #133 
           - You're missing a 2011 column, and a 2012 column.  boppers   Feb-19-11 10:48 PM   #134 
              - that's the big catch. they don't factor economic improvement into their equation.  WolfoftheWild   Feb-19-11 11:13 PM   #135 
              - So where are your numbers with that factored in?  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 11:19 PM   #137 
                 - do you notice in the numbers of LIHEAP recipients above that the rate of increase dropped  WolfoftheWild   Feb-19-11 11:35 PM   #140 
                    - A drop in the rate of growth is justification to cut the program in half now?  Hello_Kitty   Feb-20-11 12:05 AM   #145 
                       - the reason the program amount was doubled was because the Country was in a deep Recession  WolfoftheWild   Feb-20-11 12:26 AM   #148 
                          - And you haven't provided numbers that back up the OP's claim.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-20-11 12:45 AM   #150 
                             - not if the reduction in rate continues. that means LIHEAP recipients will begin decreasing  WolfoftheWild   Feb-20-11 12:35 PM   #154 
              - Huh? There is an unambiguous increase over 3 years.  Bonobo   Feb-19-11 11:36 PM   #141 
                 - is the rate of increase going up or going down?  WolfoftheWild   Feb-20-11 12:28 AM   #149 
                    - Is the actual number of people needing LIHEAP projected to go up or down?  Hello_Kitty   Feb-20-11 01:21 AM   #151 
                       - why do you choose to ignore the fact I'm pointing out?  WolfoftheWild   Feb-20-11 12:32 PM   #153 
           - Here's the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities take on it.  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 11:18 PM   #136 
              - Where did they get their 2012 numbers from?  boppers   Feb-19-11 11:21 PM   #138 
                 - Did you read the article?  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 11:36 PM   #142 
  - Do the math using your facts.  quakerboy   Feb-21-11 10:12 PM   #167 
  - Common sense , maybe  Autumn   Feb-19-11 06:10 PM   #111 
  - Prices peaked in mid 2008  BklnDem75   Feb-19-11 06:12 PM   #112 
  - You have not substantiated the claim the OP made  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 06:47 PM   #116 
     - You keep copying and pasting that  BklnDem75   Feb-19-11 06:59 PM   #118 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-19-11 09:10 PM   #126 
  - I can only compare this to a Bush move in its stunning contempt for the truth.  Bonobo   Feb-19-11 07:19 PM   #119 
  - well.....  MNBrewer   Feb-19-11 07:35 PM   #120 
  - that article has a ton of its facts wrong.  WolfoftheWild   Feb-19-11 07:55 PM   #122 
     - SO that's a ton of facts?  MNBrewer   Feb-19-11 08:13 PM   #124 
     - the article was badly researched. that is obvious from the first paragraph.  WolfoftheWild   Feb-20-11 12:13 AM   #147 
        - Sure it was, LOL.  chill_wind   Feb-20-11 01:12 PM   #156 
     - looks roughly equivalent to me  MNBrewer   Feb-19-11 08:20 PM   #125 
        - And cutting to piece's conclusion, with some disturbing projections  chill_wind   Feb-19-11 10:29 PM   #131 
  - If you feel so, please read this You shouldn't fear reading a full analysis.  Bonobo   Feb-19-11 09:33 PM   #127 
  - energy prices are higher than at the beginning of FY2008 (October 2007) when $2.8B was the level  CreekDog   Feb-19-11 09:39 PM   #128 
  - How many people are are on LIHEAP, and was the energy company subsidy excessive?  boppers   Feb-19-11 10:29 PM   #132 
     - It was not "excessive"  Hello_Kitty   Feb-19-11 11:32 PM   #139 
     - That link is the source of my compiled state by state stats. nt  Bonobo   Feb-19-11 11:36 PM   #143 
        - I didn't see a single state that doubled....  boppers   Feb-21-11 01:03 AM   #159 
           - This link, check Vermont...  slipslidingaway   Feb-21-11 01:20 AM   #160 
              - Outliers which don't even double...  boppers   Feb-21-11 01:51 AM   #161 
     - And I'm always astounded at the relative silence on the billions and trillions "lost" and defrauded  chill_wind   Feb-20-11 10:15 AM   #152 
        - Well, in this case, the "Orange Growers" are often multinational fossil energy companies.  boppers   Feb-22-11 02:40 AM   #175 
  - What falling energy prices??  OwnedByFerrets   Feb-19-11 10:23 PM   #130 
  - I cut my oil use my 16% and the bills went UP!  midnight armadillo   Feb-20-11 12:01 AM   #144 
  - Mr. Obama said that very thing a week ago in a press conference...  old mark   Feb-21-11 04:32 AM   #162 
  - So, the entire Northeastern delegation are all crazy anti-Obama people  Mass   Feb-21-11 07:41 AM   #163 
  - "So, the entire Northeastern delegation are all crazy"  boppers   Feb-22-11 02:55 AM   #177 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-21-11 08:28 PM   #165 
  - Energy prices are dropping? Really?  Safetykitten   Feb-21-11 10:15 PM   #168 
  - I wish someone would inform my local gas company of this fact.  QC   Feb-21-11 11:28 PM   #171 
  - Common sense? Or fuzzy math.  frustrated_lefty   Feb-21-11 10:32 PM   #169 
  - What dropping energy prices???????  Beacool   Feb-21-11 11:22 PM   #170 
  - Rapidly rising gas, oil prices hammer LI  girl_interrupted   Feb-22-11 12:19 AM   #172 
  - That's what I meant.  Beacool   Feb-22-11 12:41 AM   #173 
  - People in the northeast apparently do not count.  Bonobo   Feb-22-11 01:12 AM   #174 
  - For proof, see Reply #106. Oil prices spiked yesterday due to the crisis in Libya.  ClarkUSA   Feb-22-11 03:41 PM   #180 
  - AWESOME thread, Clark!  Number23   Feb-23-11 05:13 PM   #181 

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