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Wed Dec-16-09 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #76 |
| 77. Again, the White House can NOT FORCE.....FORCE Reid into reconciliation no matter how... |
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...it's been handled.
We need reconciliation for the cost controls and we'd be done, Obama can't MAKE Reid do such...
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| -Question for Obama Critics: What Can Obama Do To Get Lieberman and Others To Not Filibuster |
Yavin4 |
Dec-15-09 07:21 PM |
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terrify them, a la LBJ; threaten the pork that goes to their states, etc. |
villager |
Dec-15-09 07:23 PM |
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First, Obama Cannot Stop Pork from Going Into Their States |
Yavin4 |
Dec-15-09 07:47 PM |
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No, but Harry Reid can. |
iceman66 |
Dec-16-09 09:37 AM |
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LBJ sure terrified |
CTLawGuy |
Dec-16-09 06:08 AM |
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Medicare and the Civil Rights act both passed.... |
villager |
Dec-16-09 09:20 AM |
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yeah |
CTLawGuy |
Dec-16-09 05:05 PM |
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be prepared for the canned response "Be a Leader" |
krawhitham |
Dec-15-09 07:23 PM |
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Nor would we want that, it is the point of our system that no one |
treestar |
Dec-16-09 09:26 AM |
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reform the whole Democratic Party and stop enabling the Corporate ConservaDems |
Armstead |
Dec-15-09 07:24 PM |
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That Would Take Decades To Accomplish |
Yavin4 |
Dec-15-09 07:48 PM |
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we know what he is doing |
Enrique |
Dec-15-09 07:24 PM |
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HE COULD DO MANY THINGS! |
DontTreadOnMe |
Dec-15-09 07:26 PM |
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+++1! |
ima_sinnic |
Dec-15-09 07:37 PM |
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Bill Clinton Did Exactly That In 1993 |
Yavin4 |
Dec-15-09 08:03 PM |
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Response |
Yavin4 |
Dec-15-09 07:50 PM |
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Stop being rational, please |
Inuca |
Dec-16-09 10:42 AM |
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This battle was lost when we failed to communicate the health care message effectively. |
bluethruandthru |
Dec-15-09 08:05 PM |
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He Gave A Prime Time Speech from Congress on Healthcare |
Yavin4 |
Dec-15-09 08:13 PM |
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I'm not saying it was all Obama's fault. |
bluethruandthru |
Dec-15-09 08:19 PM |
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repubs are more unified |
angee_is_mad |
Dec-15-09 09:43 PM |
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But those are just speeches! That's not action! |
treestar |
Dec-16-09 09:33 AM |
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at least for one and two |
CTLawGuy |
Dec-16-09 06:11 AM |
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...and that'll FORCE Lieberman to change his vote?!?!?! |
uponit7771 |
Dec-16-09 09:25 AM |
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Does the President control the chairmanships in the Senate? |
treestar |
Dec-16-09 09:27 AM |
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I think doing a simple vote count on controversial legislation before you try to enact it |
AllentownJake |
Dec-15-09 07:28 PM |
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hapless harry reid needs to make lieberman do an old fashioned fillibuster - they want one let em |
msongs |
Dec-15-09 07:33 PM |
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I absolutely agree. Make them actually fillibuster. No more of |
rzemanfl |
Dec-15-09 07:43 PM |
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Doesn't work that way anymore |
liberalpragmatist |
Dec-15-09 07:48 PM |
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You're right. What a bullshit operation the Senate is. n/t |
rzemanfl |
Dec-15-09 08:01 PM |
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Please provide a link to this rule change. |
LooseWilly |
Dec-15-09 09:01 PM |
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Here you go |
liberalpragmatist |
Dec-15-09 11:13 PM |
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This should be posted prominently somewhere since so many on DU are confused about it. |
DCBob |
Dec-16-09 05:09 AM |
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Use the Patriot Act and put them in Gitmo as domestic terrorists. |
valerief |
Dec-15-09 07:45 PM |
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Air Strike? nt |
Jakes Progress |
Dec-15-09 07:48 PM |
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As an Obama supporter, I can say this: fire Rahm, fire Geithner, fire Summers |
Popular Front |
Dec-15-09 07:49 PM |
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Again, How Does That In Any Way Stop The Filibuster? |
Yavin4 |
Dec-15-09 07:52 PM |
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It shows that he means business |
Popular Front |
Dec-15-09 07:54 PM |
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Why Would Lieberman et al Be Swayed... |
Yavin4 |
Dec-15-09 07:59 PM |
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I'd like to know what YOU THINK he should do so I understand where you are coming from before |
KoKo |
Dec-15-09 07:51 PM |
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I Really Cannot Think of Anything Else That He Could Do |
Yavin4 |
Dec-15-09 07:57 PM |
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I hear 'ya..but how much farther are our Dems going to push the "carrot treat" forward |
KoKo |
Dec-16-09 07:21 PM |
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Hop into a phone booth, put on his tights and get ON IT! |
Clio the Leo |
Dec-15-09 07:53 PM |
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Punch them in their damn mouths |
uponit7771 |
Dec-15-09 08:05 PM |
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That's Illegal and an Impeachable Offense |
Yavin4 |
Dec-15-09 08:09 PM |
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but it would make people feel good though |
uponit7771 |
Dec-15-09 08:12 PM |
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Punching Lieberman In The Face Is Not Going to Stop Him |
Yavin4 |
Dec-15-09 08:14 PM |
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Nah, they'd still find something wrong with it |
treestar |
Dec-16-09 09:32 AM |
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Squelch their careers. |
quakerboy |
Dec-15-09 08:08 PM |
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These folks are politicians as well |
Yavin4 |
Dec-15-09 08:11 PM |
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I think that is a naive statement |
quakerboy |
Dec-15-09 08:33 PM |
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Again, Nelson won in a state that Obama lost |
Yavin4 |
Dec-15-09 08:42 PM |
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Obama Won 47% of the state |
quakerboy |
Dec-15-09 08:57 PM |
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What I Am Arguing Is That Threatening Nelson Won't Sway Him |
Yavin4 |
Dec-15-09 09:31 PM |
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I answered your question |
quakerboy |
Dec-15-09 09:52 PM |
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No, You Did Not Answer The Question |
Yavin4 |
Dec-15-09 10:00 PM |
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Just say no. No reasoning, just "NO". |
quakerboy |
Dec-15-09 10:10 PM |
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I'm Still Waiting for My Answer |
Yavin4 |
Dec-15-09 08:15 PM |
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Don't Hold Your Breath, Reality Is No Salve For Bitterness |
Beetwasher |
Dec-16-09 09:56 AM |
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Other than put people on blast there's NOTHING he can do. He's not a dictator, he can only preasure |
uponit7771 |
Dec-15-09 08:17 PM |
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Thank You. |
Yavin4 |
Dec-15-09 08:39 PM |
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My answer is here... |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-15-09 09:31 PM |
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That's An Answer for Harry Reid |
Yavin4 |
Dec-15-09 10:02 PM |
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No it's an answer for the Democratic Party. And Obama is the leader of the Democratic Party |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-16-09 10:25 AM |
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Drop the health care reform attempts. They have failed. Move on to something... |
Honeycombe8 |
Dec-15-09 11:17 PM |
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What would lead you to think that we won't have eerily similar problems |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-16-09 11:17 AM |
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K&R |
lamp_shade |
Dec-16-09 02:34 AM |
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Well, for starters, Obama could have refrained from campaigning for Lieberman's worthless ass. |
jgraz |
Dec-16-09 04:56 AM |
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Lieberman Would Still Be A Senator And Still Be Obstructing |
Beetwasher |
Dec-16-09 09:58 AM |
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Attack Republicans and Lieberman as wanting insurance profits over people's lives |
muriel_volestrangler |
Dec-16-09 05:29 AM |
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K, people...THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ATTACKS! They're NOT up for reelection and they do NOT get ... |
uponit7771 |
Dec-16-09 09:29 AM |
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Well, there's Vitter up for re-election in 2010 |
muriel_volestrangler |
Dec-16-09 10:07 AM |
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This is the closest I've seen to a real answer |
treestar |
Dec-16-09 09:37 AM |
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I'd suggest waterboarding. |
backscatter712 |
Dec-16-09 05:52 AM |
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Unfortunately, you pose a question based on an assumption. |
crappyjazz |
Dec-16-09 06:21 AM |
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I'll take Obama at his word, you can call him a liar like the teabaggers are doing |
uponit7771 |
Dec-16-09 09:25 AM |
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Feel free to, many do take politicians at their word. |
crappyjazz |
Dec-16-09 04:39 PM |
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exactly Lieberman is the "bad cop" or the "scapegoat" |
Moochy |
Dec-16-09 10:43 AM |
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He should twist LIEbermans' arm, literally |
treestar |
Dec-16-09 09:25 AM |
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Feels good to read it but Lieberman still wouldn't change his vote.... |
uponit7771 |
Dec-16-09 09:27 AM |
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"Lil Joey is not going to change his vote folks |
goclark |
Dec-16-09 10:46 AM |
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51 votes. nt |
asdjrocky |
Dec-16-09 09:28 AM |
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Obama can not force Reid by law or force to force cost controls via reconciliation... |
uponit7771 |
Dec-16-09 09:30 AM |
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But he can force him to cave to Lieberman. |
asdjrocky |
Dec-16-09 09:38 AM |
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Link and quote? TIA |
uponit7771 |
Dec-16-09 09:43 AM |
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I don't play that game. |
asdjrocky |
Dec-16-09 09:51 AM |
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Thought so, you can only find "sources"....Come on people, lets deal in facts not in "sources" |
uponit7771 |
Dec-16-09 10:20 AM |
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The video link to the Young Turks' rant on the front page has some ideas. |
Efilroft Sul |
Dec-16-09 09:34 AM |
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Do any of those FORCE the hands of the opposing dems?! Again, speach's threats demonizing hasn't.... |
uponit7771 |
Dec-16-09 09:36 AM |
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The reconciliation tactic is exactly what the TYT video urges. |
Efilroft Sul |
Dec-16-09 09:47 AM |
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Again, the White House can NOT FORCE.....FORCE Reid into reconciliation no matter how... |
uponit7771 |
Dec-16-09 09:48 AM |
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True, but the White House and Reid can strategize together. If they had the will. |
Efilroft Sul |
Dec-16-09 09:58 AM |
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Reid "I don't work for Obama" (link).... |
uponit7771 |
Dec-16-09 10:27 AM |
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And I found a link for you, FWIW. |
Efilroft Sul |
Dec-16-09 10:53 AM |
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Pics of Lieberman in bed with Tiger Woods LOL |
JamesA1102 |
Dec-16-09 09:49 AM |
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lofl!!! |
uponit7771 |
Dec-16-09 09:51 AM |
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Oh poor weak and powerless Obama |
depakid |
Dec-16-09 10:32 AM |
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Leader = dictator?! |
uponit7771 |
Dec-16-09 10:37 AM |
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Hate to say it, but it is probably too late. |
freddie mertz |
Dec-16-09 10:48 AM |
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A little "clandestine action" might be the best option |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-16-09 04:54 PM |
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Sic Rahm on them. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Dec-16-09 04:57 PM |
#98 |
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