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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 07:50 PM
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<<1. State on National Television that Lieberman will have his committee chairmanship TAKEN AWAY!
And state he is doing it, BECAUSE HE DOES NOT REPRESENT THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS on healthcare reform!>>

And Liberman would still filibuster. How would that stop him?


<<2. PUT PRESSURE on EVERY other BLUE DOG in the Senate, that Obama will CAMPAIGN AGAINST any DEMOCRAT that does not support healthcare reform!>>

Ben Nelson represents a state that voted for McCain and Bush. Obama does not have any credibility in that state. If you take out someone like Ben, then a Republican is guaranteed a win there.


<<3. Announce there will be NO MORE PANDERING to the right for the rest of his term as President. STAND FIRM.>>

That does nothing.

None of what you propose does in any way move these senators off of filibustering.


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  -Question for Obama Critics: What Can Obama Do To Get Lieberman and Others To Not Filibuster Yavin4  Dec-15-09 07:21 PM   #0 
  - terrify them, a la LBJ; threaten the pork that goes to their states, etc.  villager   Dec-15-09 07:23 PM   #1 
  - First, Obama Cannot Stop Pork from Going Into Their States  Yavin4   Dec-15-09 07:47 PM   #11 
  - No, but Harry Reid can.  iceman66   Dec-16-09 09:37 AM   #72 
  - LBJ sure terrified  CTLawGuy   Dec-16-09 06:08 AM   #55 
     - Medicare and the Civil Rights act both passed....  villager   Dec-16-09 09:20 AM   #58 
        - yeah  CTLawGuy   Dec-16-09 05:05 PM   #99 
  - be prepared for the canned response "Be a Leader"  krawhitham   Dec-15-09 07:23 PM   #2 
  - Nor would we want that, it is the point of our system that no one  treestar   Dec-16-09 09:26 AM   #62 
  - reform the whole Democratic Party and stop enabling the Corporate ConservaDems  Armstead   Dec-15-09 07:24 PM   #3 
  - That Would Take Decades To Accomplish  Yavin4   Dec-15-09 07:48 PM   #12 
  - we know what he is doing  Enrique   Dec-15-09 07:24 PM   #4 
  - HE COULD DO MANY THINGS!  DontTreadOnMe   Dec-15-09 07:26 PM   #5 
  - +++1!  ima_sinnic   Dec-15-09 07:37 PM   #8 
  - Bill Clinton Did Exactly That In 1993  Yavin4   Dec-15-09 08:03 PM   #24 
  - Response  Yavin4   Dec-15-09 07:50 PM   #16 
  - Stop being rational, please  Inuca   Dec-16-09 10:42 AM   #90 
  - This battle was lost when we failed to communicate the health care message effectively.  bluethruandthru   Dec-15-09 08:05 PM   #26 
  - He Gave A Prime Time Speech from Congress on Healthcare  Yavin4   Dec-15-09 08:13 PM   #31 
     - I'm not saying it was all Obama's fault.  bluethruandthru   Dec-15-09 08:19 PM   #35 
     - repubs are more unified  angee_is_mad   Dec-15-09 09:43 PM   #43 
     - But those are just speeches! That's not action!  treestar   Dec-16-09 09:33 AM   #69 
  - at least for one and two  CTLawGuy   Dec-16-09 06:11 AM   #56 
  - ...and that'll FORCE Lieberman to change his vote?!?!?!  uponit7771   Dec-16-09 09:25 AM   #61 
  - Does the President control the chairmanships in the Senate?  treestar   Dec-16-09 09:27 AM   #63 
  - I think doing a simple vote count on controversial legislation before you try to enact it  AllentownJake   Dec-15-09 07:28 PM   #6 
  - hapless harry reid needs to make lieberman do an old fashioned fillibuster - they want one let em  msongs   Dec-15-09 07:33 PM   #7 
  - I absolutely agree. Make them actually fillibuster. No more of  rzemanfl   Dec-15-09 07:43 PM   #9 
     - Doesn't work that way anymore  liberalpragmatist   Dec-15-09 07:48 PM   #14 
        - You're right. What a bullshit operation the Senate is. n/t  rzemanfl   Dec-15-09 08:01 PM   #23 
        - Please provide a link to this rule change.  LooseWilly   Dec-15-09 09:01 PM   #40 
        - Here you go  liberalpragmatist   Dec-15-09 11:13 PM   #48 
        - This should be posted prominently somewhere since so many on DU are confused about it.  DCBob   Dec-16-09 05:09 AM   #52 
  - Use the Patriot Act and put them in Gitmo as domestic terrorists.  valerief   Dec-15-09 07:45 PM   #10 
  - Air Strike? nt  Jakes Progress   Dec-15-09 07:48 PM   #13 
  - As an Obama supporter, I can say this: fire Rahm, fire Geithner, fire Summers  Popular Front   Dec-15-09 07:49 PM   #15 
  - Again, How Does That In Any Way Stop The Filibuster?  Yavin4   Dec-15-09 07:52 PM   #18 
     - It shows that he means business  Popular Front   Dec-15-09 07:54 PM   #20 
        - Why Would Lieberman et al Be Swayed...  Yavin4   Dec-15-09 07:59 PM   #22 
  - I'd like to know what YOU THINK he should do so I understand where you are coming from before  KoKo   Dec-15-09 07:51 PM   #17 
  - I Really Cannot Think of Anything Else That He Could Do  Yavin4   Dec-15-09 07:57 PM   #21 
     - I hear 'ya..but how much farther are our Dems going to push the "carrot treat" forward  KoKo   Dec-16-09 07:21 PM   #100 
  - Hop into a phone booth, put on his tights and get ON IT!  Clio the Leo   Dec-15-09 07:53 PM   #19 
  - Punch them in their damn mouths  uponit7771   Dec-15-09 08:05 PM   #25 
  - That's Illegal and an Impeachable Offense  Yavin4   Dec-15-09 08:09 PM   #28 
     - but it would make people feel good though  uponit7771   Dec-15-09 08:12 PM   #30 
        - Punching Lieberman In The Face Is Not Going to Stop Him  Yavin4   Dec-15-09 08:14 PM   #32 
        - Nah, they'd still find something wrong with it  treestar   Dec-16-09 09:32 AM   #68 
  - Squelch their careers.  quakerboy   Dec-15-09 08:08 PM   #27 
  - These folks are politicians as well  Yavin4   Dec-15-09 08:11 PM   #29 
     - I think that is a naive statement  quakerboy   Dec-15-09 08:33 PM   #36 
        - Again, Nelson won in a state that Obama lost  Yavin4   Dec-15-09 08:42 PM   #38 
           - Obama Won 47% of the state  quakerboy   Dec-15-09 08:57 PM   #39 
              - What I Am Arguing Is That Threatening Nelson Won't Sway Him  Yavin4   Dec-15-09 09:31 PM   #41 
                 - I answered your question  quakerboy   Dec-15-09 09:52 PM   #44 
                    - No, You Did Not Answer The Question  Yavin4   Dec-15-09 10:00 PM   #45 
                       - Just say no. No reasoning, just "NO".  quakerboy   Dec-15-09 10:10 PM   #47 
  - I'm Still Waiting for My Answer  Yavin4   Dec-15-09 08:15 PM   #33 
  - Don't Hold Your Breath, Reality Is No Salve For Bitterness  Beetwasher   Dec-16-09 09:56 AM   #81 
  - Other than put people on blast there's NOTHING he can do. He's not a dictator, he can only preasure  uponit7771   Dec-15-09 08:17 PM   #34 
  - Thank You.  Yavin4   Dec-15-09 08:39 PM   #37 
  - My answer is here...  Tom Rinaldo   Dec-15-09 09:31 PM   #42 
  - That's An Answer for Harry Reid  Yavin4   Dec-15-09 10:02 PM   #46 
     - No it's an answer for the Democratic Party. And Obama is the leader of the Democratic Party  Tom Rinaldo   Dec-16-09 10:25 AM   #86 
  - Drop the health care reform attempts. They have failed. Move on to something...  Honeycombe8   Dec-15-09 11:17 PM   #49 
  - What would lead you to think that we won't have eerily similar problems  TheKentuckian   Dec-16-09 11:17 AM   #95 
  - K&R  lamp_shade   Dec-16-09 02:34 AM   #50 
  - Well, for starters, Obama could have refrained from campaigning for Lieberman's worthless ass.  jgraz   Dec-16-09 04:56 AM   #51 
  - Lieberman Would Still Be A Senator And Still Be Obstructing  Beetwasher   Dec-16-09 09:58 AM   #82 
  - Attack Republicans and Lieberman as wanting insurance profits over people's lives  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-16-09 05:29 AM   #53 
  - K, people...THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ATTACKS! They're NOT up for reelection and they do NOT get ...  uponit7771   Dec-16-09 09:29 AM   #66 
  - Well, there's Vitter up for re-election in 2010  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-16-09 10:07 AM   #84 
  - This is the closest I've seen to a real answer  treestar   Dec-16-09 09:37 AM   #73 
  - I'd suggest waterboarding.  backscatter712   Dec-16-09 05:52 AM   #54 
  - Unfortunately, you pose a question based on an assumption.  crappyjazz   Dec-16-09 06:21 AM   #57 
  - I'll take Obama at his word, you can call him a liar like the teabaggers are doing  uponit7771   Dec-16-09 09:25 AM   #59 
  - Feel free to, many do take politicians at their word.  crappyjazz   Dec-16-09 04:39 PM   #96 
  - exactly Lieberman is the "bad cop" or the "scapegoat"  Moochy   Dec-16-09 10:43 AM   #91 
  - He should twist LIEbermans' arm, literally  treestar   Dec-16-09 09:25 AM   #60 
  - Feels good to read it but Lieberman still wouldn't change his vote....  uponit7771   Dec-16-09 09:27 AM   #64 
     - "Lil Joey is not going to change his vote folks  goclark   Dec-16-09 10:46 AM   #92 
  - 51 votes. nt  asdjrocky   Dec-16-09 09:28 AM   #65 
  - Obama can not force Reid by law or force to force cost controls via reconciliation...  uponit7771   Dec-16-09 09:30 AM   #67 
     - But he can force him to cave to Lieberman.  asdjrocky   Dec-16-09 09:38 AM   #74 
        - Link and quote? TIA  uponit7771   Dec-16-09 09:43 AM   #75 
           - I don't play that game.  asdjrocky   Dec-16-09 09:51 AM   #79 
              - Thought so, you can only find "sources"....Come on people, lets deal in facts not in "sources"  uponit7771   Dec-16-09 10:20 AM   #85 
  - The video link to the Young Turks' rant on the front page has some ideas.  Efilroft Sul   Dec-16-09 09:34 AM   #70 
  - Do any of those FORCE the hands of the opposing dems?! Again, speach's threats demonizing hasn't....  uponit7771   Dec-16-09 09:36 AM   #71 
     - The reconciliation tactic is exactly what the TYT video urges.  Efilroft Sul   Dec-16-09 09:47 AM   #76 
        - Again, the White House can NOT FORCE.....FORCE Reid into reconciliation no matter how...  uponit7771   Dec-16-09 09:48 AM   #77 
           - True, but the White House and Reid can strategize together. If they had the will.  Efilroft Sul   Dec-16-09 09:58 AM   #83 
              - Reid "I don't work for Obama" (link)....  uponit7771   Dec-16-09 10:27 AM   #87 
                 - And I found a link for you, FWIW.  Efilroft Sul   Dec-16-09 10:53 AM   #94 
  - Pics of Lieberman in bed with Tiger Woods LOL  JamesA1102   Dec-16-09 09:49 AM   #78 
  - lofl!!!  uponit7771   Dec-16-09 09:51 AM   #80 
  - Oh poor weak and powerless Obama  depakid   Dec-16-09 10:32 AM   #88 
  - Leader = dictator?!  uponit7771   Dec-16-09 10:37 AM   #89 
  - Hate to say it, but it is probably too late.  freddie mertz   Dec-16-09 10:48 AM   #93 
  - A little "clandestine action" might be the best option  TheKentuckian   Dec-16-09 04:54 PM   #97 
  - Sic Rahm on them.  Hell Hath No Fury   Dec-16-09 04:57 PM   #98 
 

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