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181. Teachers think they have to talk down to everyone because their
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 01:11 PM by harun
job is talking down to everyone.

The civics lesson they tend to miss:

* You don't live in a Democracy, you live in a Corporate Representative Republic. Examples of some real Democracies are ...
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  -A Civics Lesson For Obama-Bashing DU'ers. RBInMaine  Dec-15-09 06:37 PM   #0 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-15-09 06:38 PM   #1 
  - Sometimes reality hurts. Obviously you can't face it.  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 06:43 PM   #8 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-15-09 06:51 PM   #27 
     - Snipe if you must. Refute the facts if you can.  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 06:53 PM   #32 
        - You must have missed the history classes on the New Deal and the Great Society.  avaistheone1   Dec-16-09 12:54 AM   #124 
           - Apparently he wasn't the only one.  SanchoPanza   Dec-16-09 03:59 AM   #131 
           - but they money can't have the unicorn's shit all over it  CTLawGuy   Dec-16-09 06:21 AM   #143 
           - DU of today would have had posts saying FDR was a failure because  treestar   Dec-16-09 08:41 AM   #158 
           - They were done through the process  treestar   Dec-16-09 08:39 AM   #156 
           - The New Deal was way before M$M and the Internet  goclark   Dec-16-09 11:22 AM   #168 
           - New Day  Kalun D   Dec-16-09 10:58 PM   #192 
           - Silence came the stern reply.  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-17-09 10:23 AM   #200 
  - It is the way things work...  rasputin1952   Dec-15-09 07:13 PM   #57 
  - Thanks. Much appreciated. I tend to agree.  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 07:15 PM   #60 
  - Good OP!  Hangingon   Dec-16-09 04:26 PM   #182 
  - OK  Old Codger   Dec-15-09 08:30 PM   #93 
  - And...to be honest, what if Congress essentially tells him to...  rasputin1952   Dec-15-09 08:47 PM   #101 
     - Sounds good  Old Codger   Dec-15-09 11:12 PM   #111 
        - More things get done behind the scenes than in the spolight...  rasputin1952   Dec-16-09 04:29 AM   #132 
           - Hopefully  Old Codger   Dec-16-09 08:40 AM   #157 
  - People act like Obama is a friggin dictator who is just choosing not to use his powers.  Pirate Smile   Dec-15-09 09:11 PM   #106 
     - Yep...  rasputin1952   Dec-15-09 10:24 PM   #109 
     - He is not using the power that he does have  Mojorabbit   Dec-17-09 12:46 AM   #196 
  - ???  treestar   Dec-16-09 08:38 AM   #155 
  - unrecd  optimator   Dec-15-09 06:40 PM   #2 
  - Real presidents with real platforms come prepared with the bill in hand. They do their homework.They  timeforpeace   Dec-16-09 07:33 PM   #185 
     - And then they get HCR passed the way CLinton did n/t  Inuca   Dec-16-09 10:05 PM   #191 
  - I certainly hope you're not teaching my child civics.  Lerkfish   Dec-15-09 06:40 PM   #3 
  - Perhaps your child should teach you civics. I speak reality. You think non-reality.  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 06:42 PM   #6 
  - you have access to my thoughts? really?  Lerkfish   Dec-15-09 06:43 PM   #9 
  - The OP views his/her role as lecturing highly informed adults on middle-school civics...  Kurt_and_Hunter   Dec-15-09 06:47 PM   #18 
  - Consider it a reminder then moreso than a "lecture," and some obviously require the reminder.  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 07:14 PM   #58 
  - I teach the objective curriculum and am highly regarded. Your comment is foolish and based on not  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 06:52 PM   #31 
  - "the less than objective parts of my OP"  Lerkfish   Dec-15-09 06:54 PM   #36 
  - 'I..... am highly regarded.' Oops. Not a compelling testimony, if you have to say so.  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-17-09 11:29 AM   #206 
  - I was taught Civics...  rasputin1952   Dec-15-09 07:14 PM   #59 
  - Perhaps you should learn some civility  niceypoo   Dec-15-09 06:52 PM   #30 
  - perhaps you should address that admonition to the OP  Lerkfish   Dec-15-09 06:55 PM   #37 
     - Um, it is addressed to the OP  niceypoo   Dec-15-09 07:00 PM   #43 
        - sorry, lost my way in the thread hierarchy.  Lerkfish   Dec-16-09 06:51 AM   #146 
  - You teach surrender.  Ken Burch   Dec-15-09 07:24 PM   #68 
     - There have been incremental gains throughout our history...  rasputin1952   Dec-15-09 10:26 PM   #110 
  - Why, because this is the way the system works, and sometimes it doesn't work out in our favor?  Writer   Dec-15-09 06:43 PM   #7 
  - way to miss the point.  Lerkfish   Dec-15-09 06:45 PM   #12 
     - You WERE posting in short-hand. And you were being a jerk.  Writer   Dec-15-09 06:47 PM   #17 
        - wow, overreact much?  Lerkfish   Dec-15-09 06:48 PM   #21 
           - The bully is you for taking a post that was supposed to be helpful and turning it...  Writer   Dec-15-09 06:54 PM   #33 
              - but you're being kind and complementary?  Lerkfish   Dec-15-09 06:56 PM   #39 
              - Look at the how the OP deals with anyone who disagrees with him  niceypoo   Dec-15-09 07:03 PM   #48 
              - I never called anyone "stupid," and I responded fairly to the fire I took.  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 07:23 PM   #66 
                 - You imply it  niceypoo   Dec-15-09 07:32 PM   #74 
              - Oh, horseshit  PVnRT   Dec-15-09 08:26 PM   #91 
              - Treating people like ignorant dullards in need of a poster's  spoony   Dec-16-09 01:02 AM   #126 
  - One feels sorry for their students.  spoony   Dec-16-09 01:01 AM   #125 
  - Fits right in with my memories of middle school. n/t  gkhouston   Dec-16-09 12:03 PM   #171 
  - The OP seems to have no awareness of the difference between facts and her opinion  Romulox   Dec-16-09 12:09 PM   #172 
  - Steaming  Old Codger   Dec-15-09 06:41 PM   #4 
  - While the POTUS may  billh58   Dec-16-09 08:47 PM   #188 
  - Exactly. Democracy would be easy if it weren't for all those "other" people.  Writer   Dec-15-09 06:42 PM   #5 
  - social studie, pre-existng ?  Yuugal   Dec-15-09 06:44 PM   #10 
  - Note I fixed the typos. It is an older keyboard. Do forgive me.  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 06:45 PM   #14 
     - that excuse does not change my child's grade, now does it?  Lerkfish   Dec-15-09 06:50 PM   #23 
     - I didnt know that older keyboards work like a player piano  niceypoo   Dec-15-09 06:54 PM   #35 
        - It's probably one of those Middle English keyboards  jgraz   Dec-16-09 05:17 AM   #137 
  - Thanks to you for being  O is 44   Dec-15-09 06:44 PM   #11 
  - Some posters on this  billh58   Dec-16-09 08:56 PM   #189 
  - Amen. We have a civic duty to our commander-in-chief  Popular Front   Dec-15-09 06:45 PM   #13 
  - A civic duty to do what? Shut up and watch sell-out after sell-out?  villager   Dec-15-09 06:50 PM   #24 
  - How exactly has President Obama sold us out?  Popular Front   Dec-15-09 06:50 PM   #26 
     - Please be specific in what you meant by"duty to the commander-in-chief"  villager   Dec-15-09 07:00 PM   #44 
        - We owe him our loyalty  Popular Front   Dec-15-09 07:08 PM   #53 
           - We do? We "owe" him our "loyalty," no matter what?  villager   Dec-15-09 07:19 PM   #62 
  - Achtung! Achtung!  IndianaGreen   Dec-15-09 06:52 PM   #28 
  - Yes! It's just like Nazi Germany!  SemiCharmedQuark   Dec-15-09 07:23 PM   #67 
  - More like Oceania  IndianaGreen   Dec-15-09 08:33 PM   #94 
  - But we OWE our dear leader!!!!  AndrewP   Dec-16-09 09:02 AM   #161 
  - What are you talking about? nt  mix   Dec-15-09 06:59 PM   #42 
  - Just saying I support the President  Popular Front   Dec-15-09 07:01 PM   #46 
     - I do too, but you've got a militaristic way of putting it.  mix   Dec-15-09 07:05 PM   #49 
        - He leads us though  Popular Front   Dec-15-09 07:06 PM   #50 
  - excuse me, he's not my "commander-in-chief"  ima_sinnic   Dec-15-09 08:46 PM   #99 
  - You do understand that Obama is CinC of the *military*, not of all citizens, don't you?  jgraz   Dec-16-09 04:43 AM   #135 
  - Did you have that same  pecwae   Dec-16-09 06:50 AM   #145 
  - When will this OBVIOUS bozo be TSed? nt  Romulox   Dec-16-09 12:10 PM   #173 
  - Benjamin Franklin was not omniscient, but he seems to have been a particularly wise statesman,  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-17-09 11:20 AM   #204 
  - "Don't tell me what can't be done, Tell me how to do what I want  marybourg   Dec-15-09 06:46 PM   #15 
  - Sorry, but it is not a perfect world.  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 07:07 PM   #51 
     - I was agreeing with you & summing up your critics' complaints. I guess. I  marybourg   Dec-15-09 09:06 PM   #104 
  - What debunks your argument is that we could have used the reconciliation route  IndianaGreen   Dec-15-09 06:46 PM   #16 
  - Tricky route with this one though. Very tricky. Take insurance reform for now and get a victory.  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 07:02 PM   #47 
     - If it was reform, I'd take it.  Dr.Phool   Dec-17-09 10:34 AM   #201 
     - Tricky, tricky, tricky! Do you think any worthwhile achievement in government is not  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-17-09 10:34 AM   #202 
  - Thank you for making sense. People are fuming mad  rwheeler31   Dec-15-09 06:48 PM   #19 
  - You get an A-  bluestateguy   Dec-15-09 06:48 PM   #20 
  - I'll take the A- :-) And I like SchoolhouseRock, as factually lacking as it is, it's fun.  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 06:57 PM   #41 
  - Keep in mind...  HiFructosePronSyrup   Dec-15-09 06:49 PM   #22 
  - Is that the same parent who wants to jail teachers because her child doesn't do his/her homework?  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 07:09 PM   #55 
  - Two Suggestions, And A Statistic  MannyGoldstein   Dec-15-09 06:50 PM   #25 
  - Thank you.  avaistheone1   Dec-16-09 12:16 AM   #119 
  - I'll see your two suggestions  billh58   Dec-17-09 10:15 AM   #199 
  - Rec'd....thank you! n/t  firedupdem   Dec-15-09 06:52 PM   #29 
  - That's rather patronizing  tularetom   Dec-15-09 06:54 PM   #34 
  - Well put top to bottom! nt  spoony   Dec-15-09 11:30 PM   #113 
  - Teachers think they have to talk down to everyone because their  harun   Dec-16-09 01:08 PM   #181 
  - "Obama bashing"--what a refreshing change of pace!  Starry Messenger   Dec-15-09 06:55 PM   #38 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-15-09 07:08 PM   #54 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-15-09 07:22 PM   #64 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-15-09 07:34 PM   #75 
  - Good reminder, thanks.  JohnnyLib2   Dec-15-09 06:56 PM   #40 
  - Most here are very well-meaning and have a right to their views. What becomes tiresome are the  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 07:01 PM   #45 
     - And some folks are far too easily satisfied.  BlueIdaho   Dec-15-09 08:45 PM   #98 
  - Excellent post. Thank you. nt  JamesA1102   Dec-15-09 07:08 PM   #52 
  - Thanks for reminding us about the basics.  FLyellowdog   Dec-15-09 07:10 PM   #56 
  - Thanks. And Obama inherited HUGE messes. They can't be fixed overnight as some would like.  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 07:17 PM   #61 
     - He is creating huge messes by not doing much of anything in  avaistheone1   Dec-16-09 12:18 AM   #120 
  - Excellent OP...  rasputin1952   Dec-15-09 07:19 PM   #63 
  - Thanks! Hey, I'd love to see single payer. Can't happen now though. So take the best you can get.  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 07:27 PM   #70 
     - Everything is incremental in politics...  rasputin1952   Dec-15-09 07:29 PM   #72 
  - Good explanation.  The Velveteen Ocelot   Dec-15-09 07:22 PM   #65 
  - Very good point. American democracy is the art of compromise, not cowboyism.  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 07:25 PM   #69 
     - In theory, yes...  niceypoo   Dec-15-09 07:39 PM   #78 
  - Why are "realist" Democrats so good at explaining why things can;t get done?  Armstead   Dec-15-09 07:28 PM   #71 
  - Dems have always had a more diverse caucus, and things do get done. Maybe not your ideal, but that  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 07:38 PM   #77 
     - I'd be a little more open to your point if faiklure was not so longstanding and entrenched  Armstead   Dec-15-09 07:56 PM   #84 
  - This sounds like the Three Little Pigs without the Big Bad Wolf of capital.  rug   Dec-15-09 07:31 PM   #73 
  - You forgot the part about corporate lobbyists taking control of the government.  BlueIdaho   Dec-15-09 07:38 PM   #76 
  - True, and yes, we do talk about lobbying. But lobbying of many kinds is legal and good. And $ ?  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 07:46 PM   #80 
     - Here's the reform we need.  BlueIdaho   Dec-15-09 07:55 PM   #83 
        - The first amendment might have something to say about your idea though.  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 08:25 PM   #90 
           - I don't care what the courts say  BlueIdaho   Dec-15-09 08:42 PM   #97 
  - It's obvious you need some American history lessons. So please don't lecture us!  Better Believe It   Dec-15-09 07:42 PM   #79 
  - How little you really know is quite striking. Read on.  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 08:06 PM   #85 
  - Well...  rasputin1952   Dec-15-09 08:40 PM   #95 
  - Wow ...  RoyGBiv   Dec-15-09 09:48 PM   #108 
  - Great post. It is the lack of basic PERSPECTIVE on this site on a host of issues, not just how  Number23   Dec-15-09 11:44 PM   #115 
     - I do a lot of head shaking ...  RoyGBiv   Dec-16-09 12:04 AM   #118 
        - Oh, common sense AND a Tolkien fiend??  Number23   Dec-16-09 12:25 AM   #121 
  - Wow... LOL!  JTFrog   Dec-16-09 05:32 AM   #138 
  - You may be talking over their heads....  Clio the Leo   Dec-15-09 07:48 PM   #81 
  - Thats the civics class version  quakerboy   Dec-15-09 07:50 PM   #82 
  - First, that also is what it is. All kinds of lobbying happens,  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 08:15 PM   #87 
     - Do what? My senators do not appear to be listening to me,  quakerboy   Dec-15-09 08:42 PM   #96 
  - Here's a civics lesson- reconciliation has been used over 20 times by different presidents  depakid   Dec-15-09 08:14 PM   #86 
  - Yes, that's it! Reconcilliation! President Obama MUST Use teh Reconcilliation!!!  NYC_SKP   Dec-15-09 08:18 PM   #88 
  - If you want responsible public policy- that's what will have to happen  depakid   Dec-15-09 08:46 PM   #100 
  - This is different though, and polling data indicate they don't want major overhaul. Most Americans  RBInMaine   Dec-15-09 08:20 PM   #89 
     - No-one in Congress is proposing a major overhaul  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-15-09 08:26 PM   #92 
     - The simply doesn't have answers to elementary objections to his  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-17-09 11:26 AM   #205 
     - You must have been looking at entirely different numbers than I've seen  depakid   Dec-15-09 08:49 PM   #102 
     - I think there are right and wrong interpretations here  TheKentuckian   Dec-16-09 12:34 PM   #177 
  - This is a good reminder, RB  SeattleGirl   Dec-15-09 08:58 PM   #103 
  - K&R  billh58   Dec-15-09 09:08 PM   #105 
  - Wha!? "doable"?! Gah man geeze, we be all about the Utopian Pies n'Da Skies...  bridgit   Dec-15-09 09:15 PM   #107 
  - We would never have had the accomplishment of FDR New Deal or LBJ's Great Society with your thinking  avaistheone1   Dec-16-09 12:34 AM   #122 
     - This from a person too bawk-bawk-bawk to show any kind of profile?  bridgit   Dec-16-09 10:18 AM   #164 
  - Since you teach middle school...  Zomby Woof   Dec-15-09 11:23 PM   #112 
  - +20 I rec'd the OP too. Got him/her to +1 for about 14 seconds.  Number23   Dec-15-09 11:49 PM   #116 
  - k&r'd  Kaleva   Dec-15-09 11:32 PM   #114 
  - The fact that there are not 51 Democratic senators willing to abolish the 60-vote rule...  burning rain   Dec-15-09 11:57 PM   #117 
  - Here's a civics lesson for you.  avaistheone1   Dec-16-09 12:46 AM   #123 
  - "While the President can submit legislation for consideration"  jeanpalmer   Dec-16-09 02:04 AM   #127 
  - K&R  lamp_shade   Dec-16-09 02:13 AM   #128 
  - Thanks.  elleng   Dec-16-09 02:15 AM   #129 
  - Obama is a failure  Kalun D   Dec-16-09 03:12 AM   #130 
  - Please list the 60 Democrats in the Senate.  SemiCharmedQuark   Dec-16-09 04:33 AM   #133 
  - Obama and Lieberman  Kalun D   Dec-16-09 07:55 PM   #187 
  - Kind of premature don't you think?  rasputin1952   Dec-16-09 04:35 AM   #134 
  - LBJ also had 68 Democratic Senate votes to work with when he got Medicare, not 58 + Bernie Sanders.  ClarkUSA   Dec-16-09 08:59 AM   #160 
  - you look at history  CTLawGuy   Dec-16-09 06:22 AM   #144 
  - Wait... we have *three branches* of government??? REALLY??  jgraz   Dec-16-09 04:54 AM   #136 
  - If he thought that were necessary to overcome the conservative members of congress...  urgk   Dec-16-09 05:46 AM   #139 
  - I'm not demonizing Obama for this.  backscatter712   Dec-16-09 05:50 AM   #140 
  - You're a single engine prop pilot lecturing fighter pilots about hostile engagements.  TexasObserver   Dec-16-09 06:00 AM   #141 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-16-09 07:59 AM   #150 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-16-09 08:13 AM   #153 
  - didn't LBJ  CTLawGuy   Dec-16-09 06:18 AM   #142 
  - A Steaming Pile of Crap  itsrobert   Dec-16-09 06:58 AM   #147 
  - How can you say that facts are a "steaming pile of crap"?  rasputin1952   Dec-16-09 07:54 AM   #148 
     - are you responding as a moderator or a member?  Lerkfish   Dec-16-09 07:57 AM   #149 
        - You can address or answer any post I put in DU...  rasputin1952   Dec-16-09 08:03 AM   #151 
           - I cannot speak for the other poster, but IMHO the steaming pile refers to this section  Lerkfish   Dec-16-09 08:58 AM   #159 
              - I don't agree...  rasputin1952   Dec-16-09 10:58 AM   #165 
                 - that's a huge amount of typing to say basically the same thing  Lerkfish   Dec-16-09 11:04 AM   #166 
                 - You have your right to your opinion...  rasputin1952   Dec-16-09 11:16 AM   #167 
                 - then why do you ask for clarifications?  Lerkfish   Dec-16-09 11:54 AM   #169 
                    - Basically, you asked for the conversation in Post #149...  rasputin1952   Dec-16-09 12:01 PM   #170 
                       - no, #149 was a response to your #148, asking for clarification from another poster  Lerkfish   Dec-16-09 12:18 PM   #174 
                 - Actually, the Constitution itself  billh58   Dec-16-09 12:27 PM   #175 
                    - but why argue to leave the warts untreated?  Lerkfish   Dec-16-09 12:29 PM   #176 
                       - And again, my  billh58   Dec-16-09 12:41 PM   #178 
                 - "Quick legislature is rarely clean legislature."  Snazzy   Dec-16-09 11:49 PM   #195 
  - Absolutely! K&R  zulchzulu   Dec-16-09 08:10 AM   #152 
  - Exactly  treestar   Dec-16-09 08:38 AM   #154 
  - K&R n/t  architect359   Dec-16-09 09:18 AM   #162 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-16-09 09:23 AM   #163 
  - And that's why they say it's like watching sausage being made.  Swede   Dec-16-09 12:51 PM   #179 
  - Stick to teaching the kids how it is suppose to work  itsrobert   Dec-16-09 12:55 PM   #180 
  - So why did Reagan and Bush get so much done with less favorable  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-16-09 04:28 PM   #183 
  - Not to be  billh58   Dec-16-09 07:26 PM   #184 
  - Duh, of course they weren't beneficial, but they accomplished so much of their agenda  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-16-09 10:03 PM   #190 
     - ALL criminals can  billh58   Dec-16-09 11:04 PM   #193 
        - You think we have a responsible Congress NOW?  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-16-09 11:12 PM   #194 
           - No, we do not  billh58   Dec-17-09 09:58 AM   #198 
  - And to think it took only 183 posts to point out the obvious.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Dec-17-09 10:57 AM   #203 
  - It's not a small step, it's a step in the wrong direction.  grahamhgreen   Dec-16-09 07:49 PM   #186 
  - How do kids survive the cr@p they're served up in Middle School.  EFerrari   Dec-17-09 01:08 AM   #197 
  - GREAT POST..wake up and smell the political system...K &R.  dcsmart   Dec-17-09 11:35 AM   #207 
  - You lost me at "Obama bashing."  racaulk   Dec-17-09 11:54 AM   #208 
 

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