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one of the people flaming you once suggested that the president declare single payer health care via executive order, so that's the sort of people you're dealing with.
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| -A Civics Lesson For Obama-Bashing DU'ers. |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 06:37 PM |
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Dec-15-09 06:38 PM |
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Sometimes reality hurts. Obviously you can't face it. |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 06:43 PM |
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Dec-15-09 06:51 PM |
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Snipe if you must. Refute the facts if you can. |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 06:53 PM |
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You must have missed the history classes on the New Deal and the Great Society. |
avaistheone1 |
Dec-16-09 12:54 AM |
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Apparently he wasn't the only one. |
SanchoPanza |
Dec-16-09 03:59 AM |
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but they money can't have the unicorn's shit all over it |
CTLawGuy |
Dec-16-09 06:21 AM |
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DU of today would have had posts saying FDR was a failure because |
treestar |
Dec-16-09 08:41 AM |
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They were done through the process |
treestar |
Dec-16-09 08:39 AM |
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The New Deal was way before M$M and the Internet |
goclark |
Dec-16-09 11:22 AM |
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New Day |
Kalun D |
Dec-16-09 10:58 PM |
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Silence came the stern reply. |
Joe Chi Minh |
Dec-17-09 10:23 AM |
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It is the way things work... |
rasputin1952 |
Dec-15-09 07:13 PM |
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Thanks. Much appreciated. I tend to agree. |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 07:15 PM |
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Good OP! |
Hangingon |
Dec-16-09 04:26 PM |
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OK |
Old Codger |
Dec-15-09 08:30 PM |
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And...to be honest, what if Congress essentially tells him to... |
rasputin1952 |
Dec-15-09 08:47 PM |
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Sounds good |
Old Codger |
Dec-15-09 11:12 PM |
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More things get done behind the scenes than in the spolight... |
rasputin1952 |
Dec-16-09 04:29 AM |
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Hopefully |
Old Codger |
Dec-16-09 08:40 AM |
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People act like Obama is a friggin dictator who is just choosing not to use his powers. |
Pirate Smile |
Dec-15-09 09:11 PM |
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Yep... |
rasputin1952 |
Dec-15-09 10:24 PM |
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He is not using the power that he does have |
Mojorabbit |
Dec-17-09 12:46 AM |
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??? |
treestar |
Dec-16-09 08:38 AM |
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unrecd |
optimator |
Dec-15-09 06:40 PM |
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Real presidents with real platforms come prepared with the bill in hand. They do their homework.They |
timeforpeace |
Dec-16-09 07:33 PM |
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And then they get HCR passed the way CLinton did n/t |
Inuca |
Dec-16-09 10:05 PM |
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I certainly hope you're not teaching my child civics. |
Lerkfish |
Dec-15-09 06:40 PM |
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Perhaps your child should teach you civics. I speak reality. You think non-reality. |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 06:42 PM |
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you have access to my thoughts? really? |
Lerkfish |
Dec-15-09 06:43 PM |
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The OP views his/her role as lecturing highly informed adults on middle-school civics... |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Dec-15-09 06:47 PM |
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Consider it a reminder then moreso than a "lecture," and some obviously require the reminder. |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 07:14 PM |
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I teach the objective curriculum and am highly regarded. Your comment is foolish and based on not |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 06:52 PM |
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"the less than objective parts of my OP" |
Lerkfish |
Dec-15-09 06:54 PM |
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'I..... am highly regarded.' Oops. Not a compelling testimony, if you have to say so. |
Joe Chi Minh |
Dec-17-09 11:29 AM |
#206 |
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I was taught Civics... |
rasputin1952 |
Dec-15-09 07:14 PM |
#59 |
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Perhaps you should learn some civility |
niceypoo |
Dec-15-09 06:52 PM |
#30 |
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perhaps you should address that admonition to the OP |
Lerkfish |
Dec-15-09 06:55 PM |
#37 |
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Um, it is addressed to the OP |
niceypoo |
Dec-15-09 07:00 PM |
#43 |
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sorry, lost my way in the thread hierarchy. |
Lerkfish |
Dec-16-09 06:51 AM |
#146 |
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You teach surrender. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-15-09 07:24 PM |
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There have been incremental gains throughout our history... |
rasputin1952 |
Dec-15-09 10:26 PM |
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Why, because this is the way the system works, and sometimes it doesn't work out in our favor? |
Writer |
Dec-15-09 06:43 PM |
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way to miss the point. |
Lerkfish |
Dec-15-09 06:45 PM |
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You WERE posting in short-hand. And you were being a jerk. |
Writer |
Dec-15-09 06:47 PM |
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wow, overreact much? |
Lerkfish |
Dec-15-09 06:48 PM |
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The bully is you for taking a post that was supposed to be helpful and turning it... |
Writer |
Dec-15-09 06:54 PM |
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but you're being kind and complementary? |
Lerkfish |
Dec-15-09 06:56 PM |
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Look at the how the OP deals with anyone who disagrees with him |
niceypoo |
Dec-15-09 07:03 PM |
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I never called anyone "stupid," and I responded fairly to the fire I took. |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 07:23 PM |
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You imply it |
niceypoo |
Dec-15-09 07:32 PM |
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Oh, horseshit |
PVnRT |
Dec-15-09 08:26 PM |
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Treating people like ignorant dullards in need of a poster's |
spoony |
Dec-16-09 01:02 AM |
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One feels sorry for their students. |
spoony |
Dec-16-09 01:01 AM |
#125 |
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Fits right in with my memories of middle school. n/t |
gkhouston |
Dec-16-09 12:03 PM |
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The OP seems to have no awareness of the difference between facts and her opinion |
Romulox |
Dec-16-09 12:09 PM |
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Steaming |
Old Codger |
Dec-15-09 06:41 PM |
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While the POTUS may |
billh58 |
Dec-16-09 08:47 PM |
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Exactly. Democracy would be easy if it weren't for all those "other" people. |
Writer |
Dec-15-09 06:42 PM |
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social studie, pre-existng ? |
Yuugal |
Dec-15-09 06:44 PM |
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Note I fixed the typos. It is an older keyboard. Do forgive me. |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 06:45 PM |
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that excuse does not change my child's grade, now does it? |
Lerkfish |
Dec-15-09 06:50 PM |
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I didnt know that older keyboards work like a player piano |
niceypoo |
Dec-15-09 06:54 PM |
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It's probably one of those Middle English keyboards |
jgraz |
Dec-16-09 05:17 AM |
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Thanks to you for being |
O is 44 |
Dec-15-09 06:44 PM |
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Some posters on this |
billh58 |
Dec-16-09 08:56 PM |
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Amen. We have a civic duty to our commander-in-chief |
Popular Front |
Dec-15-09 06:45 PM |
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A civic duty to do what? Shut up and watch sell-out after sell-out? |
villager |
Dec-15-09 06:50 PM |
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How exactly has President Obama sold us out? |
Popular Front |
Dec-15-09 06:50 PM |
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Please be specific in what you meant by"duty to the commander-in-chief" |
villager |
Dec-15-09 07:00 PM |
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We owe him our loyalty |
Popular Front |
Dec-15-09 07:08 PM |
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We do? We "owe" him our "loyalty," no matter what? |
villager |
Dec-15-09 07:19 PM |
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Achtung! Achtung! |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-15-09 06:52 PM |
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Yes! It's just like Nazi Germany! |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Dec-15-09 07:23 PM |
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More like Oceania |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-15-09 08:33 PM |
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But we OWE our dear leader!!!! |
AndrewP |
Dec-16-09 09:02 AM |
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What are you talking about? nt |
mix |
Dec-15-09 06:59 PM |
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Just saying I support the President |
Popular Front |
Dec-15-09 07:01 PM |
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I do too, but you've got a militaristic way of putting it. |
mix |
Dec-15-09 07:05 PM |
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He leads us though |
Popular Front |
Dec-15-09 07:06 PM |
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excuse me, he's not my "commander-in-chief" |
ima_sinnic |
Dec-15-09 08:46 PM |
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You do understand that Obama is CinC of the *military*, not of all citizens, don't you? |
jgraz |
Dec-16-09 04:43 AM |
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Did you have that same |
pecwae |
Dec-16-09 06:50 AM |
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When will this OBVIOUS bozo be TSed? nt |
Romulox |
Dec-16-09 12:10 PM |
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Benjamin Franklin was not omniscient, but he seems to have been a particularly wise statesman, |
Joe Chi Minh |
Dec-17-09 11:20 AM |
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"Don't tell me what can't be done, Tell me how to do what I want |
marybourg |
Dec-15-09 06:46 PM |
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Sorry, but it is not a perfect world. |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 07:07 PM |
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I was agreeing with you & summing up your critics' complaints. I guess. I |
marybourg |
Dec-15-09 09:06 PM |
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What debunks your argument is that we could have used the reconciliation route |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-15-09 06:46 PM |
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Tricky route with this one though. Very tricky. Take insurance reform for now and get a victory. |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 07:02 PM |
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If it was reform, I'd take it. |
Dr.Phool |
Dec-17-09 10:34 AM |
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Tricky, tricky, tricky! Do you think any worthwhile achievement in government is not |
Joe Chi Minh |
Dec-17-09 10:34 AM |
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Thank you for making sense. People are fuming mad |
rwheeler31 |
Dec-15-09 06:48 PM |
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You get an A- |
bluestateguy |
Dec-15-09 06:48 PM |
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I'll take the A- :-) And I like SchoolhouseRock, as factually lacking as it is, it's fun. |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 06:57 PM |
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Keep in mind... |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Dec-15-09 06:49 PM |
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Is that the same parent who wants to jail teachers because her child doesn't do his/her homework? |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 07:09 PM |
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Two Suggestions, And A Statistic |
MannyGoldstein |
Dec-15-09 06:50 PM |
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Thank you. |
avaistheone1 |
Dec-16-09 12:16 AM |
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I'll see your two suggestions |
billh58 |
Dec-17-09 10:15 AM |
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Rec'd....thank you! n/t |
firedupdem |
Dec-15-09 06:52 PM |
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That's rather patronizing |
tularetom |
Dec-15-09 06:54 PM |
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Well put top to bottom! nt |
spoony |
Dec-15-09 11:30 PM |
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Teachers think they have to talk down to everyone because their |
harun |
Dec-16-09 01:08 PM |
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"Obama bashing"--what a refreshing change of pace! |
Starry Messenger |
Dec-15-09 06:55 PM |
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Dec-15-09 07:08 PM |
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Dec-15-09 07:22 PM |
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Dec-15-09 07:34 PM |
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Good reminder, thanks. |
JohnnyLib2 |
Dec-15-09 06:56 PM |
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Most here are very well-meaning and have a right to their views. What becomes tiresome are the |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 07:01 PM |
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And some folks are far too easily satisfied. |
BlueIdaho |
Dec-15-09 08:45 PM |
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Excellent post. Thank you. nt |
JamesA1102 |
Dec-15-09 07:08 PM |
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Thanks for reminding us about the basics. |
FLyellowdog |
Dec-15-09 07:10 PM |
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Thanks. And Obama inherited HUGE messes. They can't be fixed overnight as some would like. |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 07:17 PM |
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He is creating huge messes by not doing much of anything in |
avaistheone1 |
Dec-16-09 12:18 AM |
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Excellent OP... |
rasputin1952 |
Dec-15-09 07:19 PM |
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Thanks! Hey, I'd love to see single payer. Can't happen now though. So take the best you can get. |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 07:27 PM |
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Everything is incremental in politics... |
rasputin1952 |
Dec-15-09 07:29 PM |
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Good explanation. |
The Velveteen Ocelot |
Dec-15-09 07:22 PM |
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Very good point. American democracy is the art of compromise, not cowboyism. |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 07:25 PM |
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In theory, yes... |
niceypoo |
Dec-15-09 07:39 PM |
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Why are "realist" Democrats so good at explaining why things can;t get done? |
Armstead |
Dec-15-09 07:28 PM |
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Dems have always had a more diverse caucus, and things do get done. Maybe not your ideal, but that |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 07:38 PM |
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I'd be a little more open to your point if faiklure was not so longstanding and entrenched |
Armstead |
Dec-15-09 07:56 PM |
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This sounds like the Three Little Pigs without the Big Bad Wolf of capital. |
rug |
Dec-15-09 07:31 PM |
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You forgot the part about corporate lobbyists taking control of the government. |
BlueIdaho |
Dec-15-09 07:38 PM |
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True, and yes, we do talk about lobbying. But lobbying of many kinds is legal and good. And $ ? |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 07:46 PM |
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Here's the reform we need. |
BlueIdaho |
Dec-15-09 07:55 PM |
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The first amendment might have something to say about your idea though. |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 08:25 PM |
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I don't care what the courts say |
BlueIdaho |
Dec-15-09 08:42 PM |
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It's obvious you need some American history lessons. So please don't lecture us! |
Better Believe It |
Dec-15-09 07:42 PM |
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How little you really know is quite striking. Read on. |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 08:06 PM |
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Well... |
rasputin1952 |
Dec-15-09 08:40 PM |
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Wow ... |
RoyGBiv |
Dec-15-09 09:48 PM |
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Great post. It is the lack of basic PERSPECTIVE on this site on a host of issues, not just how |
Number23 |
Dec-15-09 11:44 PM |
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I do a lot of head shaking ... |
RoyGBiv |
Dec-16-09 12:04 AM |
#118 |
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Oh, common sense AND a Tolkien fiend?? |
Number23 |
Dec-16-09 12:25 AM |
#121 |
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Wow... LOL! |
JTFrog |
Dec-16-09 05:32 AM |
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You may be talking over their heads.... |
Clio the Leo |
Dec-15-09 07:48 PM |
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Thats the civics class version |
quakerboy |
Dec-15-09 07:50 PM |
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First, that also is what it is. All kinds of lobbying happens, |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 08:15 PM |
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Do what? My senators do not appear to be listening to me, |
quakerboy |
Dec-15-09 08:42 PM |
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Here's a civics lesson- reconciliation has been used over 20 times by different presidents |
depakid |
Dec-15-09 08:14 PM |
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Yes, that's it! Reconcilliation! President Obama MUST Use teh Reconcilliation!!! |
NYC_SKP |
Dec-15-09 08:18 PM |
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If you want responsible public policy- that's what will have to happen |
depakid |
Dec-15-09 08:46 PM |
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This is different though, and polling data indicate they don't want major overhaul. Most Americans |
RBInMaine |
Dec-15-09 08:20 PM |
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No-one in Congress is proposing a major overhaul |
muriel_volestrangler |
Dec-15-09 08:26 PM |
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The simply doesn't have answers to elementary objections to his |
Joe Chi Minh |
Dec-17-09 11:26 AM |
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You must have been looking at entirely different numbers than I've seen |
depakid |
Dec-15-09 08:49 PM |
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I think there are right and wrong interpretations here |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-16-09 12:34 PM |
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This is a good reminder, RB |
SeattleGirl |
Dec-15-09 08:58 PM |
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K&R |
billh58 |
Dec-15-09 09:08 PM |
#105 |
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Wha!? "doable"?! Gah man geeze, we be all about the Utopian Pies n'Da Skies... |
bridgit |
Dec-15-09 09:15 PM |
#107 |
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We would never have had the accomplishment of FDR New Deal or LBJ's Great Society with your thinking |
avaistheone1 |
Dec-16-09 12:34 AM |
#122 |
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This from a person too bawk-bawk-bawk to show any kind of profile? |
bridgit |
Dec-16-09 10:18 AM |
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Since you teach middle school... |
Zomby Woof |
Dec-15-09 11:23 PM |
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+20 I rec'd the OP too. Got him/her to +1 for about 14 seconds. |
Number23 |
Dec-15-09 11:49 PM |
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k&r'd |
Kaleva |
Dec-15-09 11:32 PM |
#114 |
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The fact that there are not 51 Democratic senators willing to abolish the 60-vote rule... |
burning rain |
Dec-15-09 11:57 PM |
#117 |
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Here's a civics lesson for you. |
avaistheone1 |
Dec-16-09 12:46 AM |
#123 |
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"While the President can submit legislation for consideration" |
jeanpalmer |
Dec-16-09 02:04 AM |
#127 |
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K&R |
lamp_shade |
Dec-16-09 02:13 AM |
#128 |
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Thanks. |
elleng |
Dec-16-09 02:15 AM |
#129 |
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Obama is a failure |
Kalun D |
Dec-16-09 03:12 AM |
#130 |
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Please list the 60 Democrats in the Senate. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Dec-16-09 04:33 AM |
#133 |
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Obama and Lieberman |
Kalun D |
Dec-16-09 07:55 PM |
#187 |
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Kind of premature don't you think? |
rasputin1952 |
Dec-16-09 04:35 AM |
#134 |
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LBJ also had 68 Democratic Senate votes to work with when he got Medicare, not 58 + Bernie Sanders. |
ClarkUSA |
Dec-16-09 08:59 AM |
#160 |
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you look at history |
CTLawGuy |
Dec-16-09 06:22 AM |
#144 |
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Wait... we have *three branches* of government??? REALLY?? |
jgraz |
Dec-16-09 04:54 AM |
#136 |
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If he thought that were necessary to overcome the conservative members of congress... |
urgk |
Dec-16-09 05:46 AM |
#139 |
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I'm not demonizing Obama for this. |
backscatter712 |
Dec-16-09 05:50 AM |
#140 |
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You're a single engine prop pilot lecturing fighter pilots about hostile engagements. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-16-09 06:00 AM |
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Dec-16-09 08:13 AM |
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didn't LBJ |
CTLawGuy |
Dec-16-09 06:18 AM |
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A Steaming Pile of Crap |
itsrobert |
Dec-16-09 06:58 AM |
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How can you say that facts are a "steaming pile of crap"? |
rasputin1952 |
Dec-16-09 07:54 AM |
#148 |
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are you responding as a moderator or a member? |
Lerkfish |
Dec-16-09 07:57 AM |
#149 |
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You can address or answer any post I put in DU... |
rasputin1952 |
Dec-16-09 08:03 AM |
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I cannot speak for the other poster, but IMHO the steaming pile refers to this section |
Lerkfish |
Dec-16-09 08:58 AM |
#159 |
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I don't agree... |
rasputin1952 |
Dec-16-09 10:58 AM |
#165 |
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that's a huge amount of typing to say basically the same thing |
Lerkfish |
Dec-16-09 11:04 AM |
#166 |
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You have your right to your opinion... |
rasputin1952 |
Dec-16-09 11:16 AM |
#167 |
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then why do you ask for clarifications? |
Lerkfish |
Dec-16-09 11:54 AM |
#169 |
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Basically, you asked for the conversation in Post #149... |
rasputin1952 |
Dec-16-09 12:01 PM |
#170 |
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no, #149 was a response to your #148, asking for clarification from another poster |
Lerkfish |
Dec-16-09 12:18 PM |
#174 |
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Actually, the Constitution itself |
billh58 |
Dec-16-09 12:27 PM |
#175 |
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but why argue to leave the warts untreated? |
Lerkfish |
Dec-16-09 12:29 PM |
#176 |
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And again, my |
billh58 |
Dec-16-09 12:41 PM |
#178 |
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"Quick legislature is rarely clean legislature." |
Snazzy |
Dec-16-09 11:49 PM |
#195 |
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Absolutely! K&R |
zulchzulu |
Dec-16-09 08:10 AM |
#152 |
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Exactly |
treestar |
Dec-16-09 08:38 AM |
#154 |
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K&R n/t |
architect359 |
Dec-16-09 09:18 AM |
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Dec-16-09 09:23 AM |
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And that's why they say it's like watching sausage being made. |
Swede |
Dec-16-09 12:51 PM |
#179 |
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Stick to teaching the kids how it is suppose to work |
itsrobert |
Dec-16-09 12:55 PM |
#180 |
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So why did Reagan and Bush get so much done with less favorable |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Dec-16-09 04:28 PM |
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Not to be |
billh58 |
Dec-16-09 07:26 PM |
#184 |
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Duh, of course they weren't beneficial, but they accomplished so much of their agenda |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Dec-16-09 10:03 PM |
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ALL criminals can |
billh58 |
Dec-16-09 11:04 PM |
#193 |
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You think we have a responsible Congress NOW? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Dec-16-09 11:12 PM |
#194 |
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No, we do not |
billh58 |
Dec-17-09 09:58 AM |
#198 |
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And to think it took only 183 posts to point out the obvious. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Dec-17-09 10:57 AM |
#203 |
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It's not a small step, it's a step in the wrong direction. |
grahamhgreen |
Dec-16-09 07:49 PM |
#186 |
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How do kids survive the cr@p they're served up in Middle School. |
EFerrari |
Dec-17-09 01:08 AM |
#197 |
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GREAT POST..wake up and smell the political system...K &R. |
dcsmart |
Dec-17-09 11:35 AM |
#207 |
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You lost me at "Obama bashing." |
racaulk |
Dec-17-09 11:54 AM |
#208 |