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Mon Jan-31-11 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #58 |
| 59. "We should emulate Europe, they seem to be happier than" Are you |
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Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 08:58 PM by ProSense
suggesting that the U.S. emulate Europe by raising our effective corporate taxe rate, implementing government-run health care and instituting other excellent benefits and retirement systems? How about mandated vacations and cutting the number of hours worked?
Also, their consumption tax isn't in lieu of an income tax, and many of their total income tax rates are higher than the top U.S. rate
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| -Would you support a more progressive tax system? |
ProSense |
Jan-30-11 12:23 AM |
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Neither. As much as I hate what some of these fuckwads take in, I don't think |
gateley |
Jan-30-11 12:47 AM |
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Most people in that |
ProSense |
Jan-30-11 12:55 AM |
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If that's true, how would we ever raise enough revenue with those rates? n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 01:01 AM |
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we don't |
quaker bill |
Feb-03-11 04:30 AM |
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Yeah, well in my fantasy scenario they wouldn't get those breaks, just pay the tax. nt |
gateley |
Jan-30-11 01:20 AM |
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Tariffs |
Hawkowl |
Jan-30-11 02:25 AM |
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self-delete. n/t |
vaberella |
Jan-31-11 08:13 AM |
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Just so we are clear, those rates are not rates for 'fuckwads' or |
Bluenorthwest |
Jan-30-11 09:35 AM |
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Thank-you for mentioning that. |
verges |
Jan-30-11 01:47 PM |
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90% is not accurate |
joeglow3 |
Jan-31-11 08:56 AM |
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"90% is not accurate. Nobody paid that because of all the deductions allowed back then. " |
ProSense |
Jan-31-11 09:18 AM |
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I am saying you ignore on side of the equation |
joeglow3 |
Feb-01-11 02:41 PM |
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No, there is nothing being ignored. |
ProSense |
Feb-01-11 03:09 PM |
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Absolutely no one would be paying 60% of their income in taxes under either suggestion. |
LiberalFighter |
Jan-30-11 10:39 AM |
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+1 |
Hansel |
Jan-30-11 12:13 PM |
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Great point. |
ProSense |
Jan-30-11 12:28 PM |
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Nobody paid those high rates, loop holes galore before Reagan |
golfguru |
Jan-30-11 10:48 AM |
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Even with the loopholes, the tax rates were much higher |
ProSense |
Jan-30-11 12:52 PM |
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No question, and no manufacturing competition from 1.3 Billion Chinese |
golfguru |
Jan-30-11 03:57 PM |
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That still doesn't explain why |
ProSense |
Jan-30-11 04:13 PM |
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All depends on how that 4.5% is calculated |
golfguru |
Jan-30-11 08:03 PM |
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No it doesn't depend. |
ProSense |
Jan-30-11 09:39 PM |
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How do you know how they are calculated? |
golfguru |
Jan-31-11 02:55 AM |
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The numbers aren't individual tax filings |
ProSense |
Jan-31-11 09:04 AM |
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Sure it does |
joeglow3 |
Jan-31-11 09:00 AM |
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"As a CPA who does income taxes for a Fortune 500, I can assure you it is not that easy. " |
ProSense |
Jan-31-11 09:05 AM |
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Chart |
ProSense |
Jan-31-11 09:56 AM |
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Jan-31-11 12:12 PM |
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You're making no sense and now resorting to condescension? n/t |
ProSense |
Jan-31-11 12:15 PM |
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That also happens to follow the trend towards globilization |
joeglow3 |
Feb-01-11 02:45 PM |
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Again, that does not tell the whole picture |
joeglow3 |
Feb-01-11 02:44 PM |
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national sales tax is extremely unfair. The poor and middle class pay way to much, even with |
Mass |
Jan-31-11 10:04 AM |
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The poor should get a tax refund based on income to compensate |
golfguru |
Jan-31-11 12:09 PM |
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Still very unfair. The very rich are helped by that, while the middle class is killed. |
Mass |
Jan-31-11 12:12 PM |
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How is it unfair if sales tax you paid is pretty much returned to you |
golfguru |
Jan-31-11 12:13 PM |
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Because the rich consume a much lower percent of their income than the poor or the middle class. |
Mass |
Jan-31-11 12:15 PM |
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You may be missing my entire point |
golfguru |
Jan-31-11 08:33 PM |
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I am not missing anything and have a pretty good idea how it works in other countries. |
Mass |
Jan-31-11 09:45 PM |
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how often? |
quaker bill |
Feb-03-11 04:33 AM |
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That makes no sense. |
ProSense |
Jan-31-11 12:13 PM |
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Europe has high consumption tax |
golfguru |
Jan-31-11 08:37 PM |
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"We should emulate Europe, they seem to be happier than" Are you |
ProSense |
Jan-31-11 08:51 PM |
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I have read many places only Japan has a higher tax rate than US |
golfguru |
Feb-01-11 12:06 AM |
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Except noone would ever reach 60% |
dbmk |
Jan-31-11 09:50 AM |
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Why? If people make $6 millions and more, they certainly benefit of the infrastructure of the |
Mass |
Jan-31-11 10:01 AM |
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Remember, they're only paying 60% on income over $5M. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Feb-03-11 08:34 AM |
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Would either of these proposals be revenue neutral? |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 01:00 AM |
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The top 1 percent |
ProSense |
Jan-30-11 01:07 AM |
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I agree with raising rates on the higher earners. But I'm still wondering |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 01:10 AM |
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The purpose seems to be |
ProSense |
Jan-30-11 01:18 AM |
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Armchair budget makers floating random numbers |
Telly Savalas |
Jan-30-11 08:09 AM |
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Tax rates should be higher. Those were the rates when the US was still producing and leading the |
craigmatic |
Jan-30-11 01:09 AM |
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Agreed |
Sherman A1 |
Jan-30-11 02:58 AM |
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It was a lot easier leading in production |
Recovered Repug |
Jan-31-11 05:34 PM |
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It also didn't hurt that we still had a big manufacturing base either. |
craigmatic |
Jan-31-11 10:01 PM |
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Couldn't possible have an opinion without some analysis of the effects. I'll pass. n/t |
MrModerate |
Jan-30-11 02:04 AM |
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Definitely needs to be much more progressive than it is now. |
pampango |
Jan-30-11 09:00 AM |
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Tax Rates |
dugog55 |
Jan-30-11 10:04 AM |
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I agree that the more wealthy should pay more. |
LiberalFighter |
Jan-30-11 10:42 AM |
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I would learn from history |
golfguru |
Jan-30-11 10:52 AM |
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This makes no sense. |
vaberella |
Jan-31-11 04:43 AM |
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Neither, but it should be really progressive- and it should have very abreviated |
old mark |
Jan-30-11 11:19 AM |
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And this is why it's hard to do |
ProSense |
Jan-30-11 11:27 AM |
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But I still would not have capital gains |
marlakay |
Jan-30-11 03:14 PM |
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Neither. I say increase taxes on everyone, just more as you go up the line. n/t |
vaberella |
Jan-31-11 04:51 AM |
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I'm for any progressive tax system that increases our tax revenue-percentage of GDP ratio |
Blasphemer |
Jan-31-11 02:24 PM |
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"Ours is around 28% while it's 39% for the UK and 43-49% for Scandinavian countries. " |
ProSense |
Jan-31-11 02:43 PM |
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Proposal C - this variation |
whosinpower |
Jan-31-11 04:17 PM |
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What do those rate cuts mean? n/t |
ProSense |
Feb-02-11 03:44 PM |
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No body earning less than $50k/yr should pay federal income tax. |
baldguy |
Jan-31-11 08:06 PM |
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why have steps instead of a sloped line? |
yurbud |
Feb-01-11 01:05 AM |
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The steps are there for ease of understanding, more or less. |
dbmk |
Feb-01-11 04:34 AM |
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OK, a slope with a plateau. If you do your own taxes, you look it up in a table anyway |
yurbud |
Feb-01-11 10:54 AM |
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Except when having to put it into words to Mr and Mrs US. n/t |
dbmk |
Feb-01-11 11:47 AM |
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I think both the personal exemption and the standared deduction should raised high enough |
yellowcanine |
Feb-02-11 04:07 PM |
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The problem is that tax policy alone |
quaker bill |
Feb-03-11 05:03 AM |
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WTH.. |
GTurck |
Feb-03-11 07:15 AM |
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I would like a flat tax with NO loopholes or tax shelters. |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Feb-03-11 01:48 PM |
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