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Sun Jan-30-11 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #30 |
| 31. No it doesn't depend. |
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The income tax rates in the chart are not based on varying calculations.
"Eliminate the income tax and replace it
with sales tax."
Consumption taxes are ridiculously regressive.
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| -Would you support a more progressive tax system? |
ProSense |
Jan-30-11 12:23 AM |
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Neither. As much as I hate what some of these fuckwads take in, I don't think |
gateley |
Jan-30-11 12:47 AM |
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Most people in that |
ProSense |
Jan-30-11 12:55 AM |
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If that's true, how would we ever raise enough revenue with those rates? n/t |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 01:01 AM |
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we don't |
quaker bill |
Feb-03-11 04:30 AM |
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Yeah, well in my fantasy scenario they wouldn't get those breaks, just pay the tax. nt |
gateley |
Jan-30-11 01:20 AM |
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Tariffs |
Hawkowl |
Jan-30-11 02:25 AM |
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self-delete. n/t |
vaberella |
Jan-31-11 08:13 AM |
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Just so we are clear, those rates are not rates for 'fuckwads' or |
Bluenorthwest |
Jan-30-11 09:35 AM |
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Thank-you for mentioning that. |
verges |
Jan-30-11 01:47 PM |
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90% is not accurate |
joeglow3 |
Jan-31-11 08:56 AM |
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"90% is not accurate. Nobody paid that because of all the deductions allowed back then. " |
ProSense |
Jan-31-11 09:18 AM |
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I am saying you ignore on side of the equation |
joeglow3 |
Feb-01-11 02:41 PM |
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No, there is nothing being ignored. |
ProSense |
Feb-01-11 03:09 PM |
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Absolutely no one would be paying 60% of their income in taxes under either suggestion. |
LiberalFighter |
Jan-30-11 10:39 AM |
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+1 |
Hansel |
Jan-30-11 12:13 PM |
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Great point. |
ProSense |
Jan-30-11 12:28 PM |
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Nobody paid those high rates, loop holes galore before Reagan |
golfguru |
Jan-30-11 10:48 AM |
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Even with the loopholes, the tax rates were much higher |
ProSense |
Jan-30-11 12:52 PM |
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No question, and no manufacturing competition from 1.3 Billion Chinese |
golfguru |
Jan-30-11 03:57 PM |
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That still doesn't explain why |
ProSense |
Jan-30-11 04:13 PM |
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All depends on how that 4.5% is calculated |
golfguru |
Jan-30-11 08:03 PM |
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No it doesn't depend. |
ProSense |
Jan-30-11 09:39 PM |
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How do you know how they are calculated? |
golfguru |
Jan-31-11 02:55 AM |
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The numbers aren't individual tax filings |
ProSense |
Jan-31-11 09:04 AM |
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Sure it does |
joeglow3 |
Jan-31-11 09:00 AM |
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"As a CPA who does income taxes for a Fortune 500, I can assure you it is not that easy. " |
ProSense |
Jan-31-11 09:05 AM |
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Chart |
ProSense |
Jan-31-11 09:56 AM |
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Jan-31-11 12:12 PM |
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You're making no sense and now resorting to condescension? n/t |
ProSense |
Jan-31-11 12:15 PM |
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That also happens to follow the trend towards globilization |
joeglow3 |
Feb-01-11 02:45 PM |
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Again, that does not tell the whole picture |
joeglow3 |
Feb-01-11 02:44 PM |
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national sales tax is extremely unfair. The poor and middle class pay way to much, even with |
Mass |
Jan-31-11 10:04 AM |
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The poor should get a tax refund based on income to compensate |
golfguru |
Jan-31-11 12:09 PM |
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Still very unfair. The very rich are helped by that, while the middle class is killed. |
Mass |
Jan-31-11 12:12 PM |
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How is it unfair if sales tax you paid is pretty much returned to you |
golfguru |
Jan-31-11 12:13 PM |
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Because the rich consume a much lower percent of their income than the poor or the middle class. |
Mass |
Jan-31-11 12:15 PM |
#51 |
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You may be missing my entire point |
golfguru |
Jan-31-11 08:33 PM |
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I am not missing anything and have a pretty good idea how it works in other countries. |
Mass |
Jan-31-11 09:45 PM |
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how often? |
quaker bill |
Feb-03-11 04:33 AM |
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That makes no sense. |
ProSense |
Jan-31-11 12:13 PM |
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Europe has high consumption tax |
golfguru |
Jan-31-11 08:37 PM |
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"We should emulate Europe, they seem to be happier than" Are you |
ProSense |
Jan-31-11 08:51 PM |
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I have read many places only Japan has a higher tax rate than US |
golfguru |
Feb-01-11 12:06 AM |
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Except noone would ever reach 60% |
dbmk |
Jan-31-11 09:50 AM |
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Why? If people make $6 millions and more, they certainly benefit of the infrastructure of the |
Mass |
Jan-31-11 10:01 AM |
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Remember, they're only paying 60% on income over $5M. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Feb-03-11 08:34 AM |
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Would either of these proposals be revenue neutral? |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 01:00 AM |
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The top 1 percent |
ProSense |
Jan-30-11 01:07 AM |
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I agree with raising rates on the higher earners. But I'm still wondering |
pnwmom |
Jan-30-11 01:10 AM |
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The purpose seems to be |
ProSense |
Jan-30-11 01:18 AM |
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Armchair budget makers floating random numbers |
Telly Savalas |
Jan-30-11 08:09 AM |
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Tax rates should be higher. Those were the rates when the US was still producing and leading the |
craigmatic |
Jan-30-11 01:09 AM |
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Agreed |
Sherman A1 |
Jan-30-11 02:58 AM |
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It was a lot easier leading in production |
Recovered Repug |
Jan-31-11 05:34 PM |
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It also didn't hurt that we still had a big manufacturing base either. |
craigmatic |
Jan-31-11 10:01 PM |
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Couldn't possible have an opinion without some analysis of the effects. I'll pass. n/t |
MrModerate |
Jan-30-11 02:04 AM |
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Definitely needs to be much more progressive than it is now. |
pampango |
Jan-30-11 09:00 AM |
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Tax Rates |
dugog55 |
Jan-30-11 10:04 AM |
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I agree that the more wealthy should pay more. |
LiberalFighter |
Jan-30-11 10:42 AM |
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I would learn from history |
golfguru |
Jan-30-11 10:52 AM |
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This makes no sense. |
vaberella |
Jan-31-11 04:43 AM |
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Neither, but it should be really progressive- and it should have very abreviated |
old mark |
Jan-30-11 11:19 AM |
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And this is why it's hard to do |
ProSense |
Jan-30-11 11:27 AM |
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But I still would not have capital gains |
marlakay |
Jan-30-11 03:14 PM |
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Neither. I say increase taxes on everyone, just more as you go up the line. n/t |
vaberella |
Jan-31-11 04:51 AM |
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I'm for any progressive tax system that increases our tax revenue-percentage of GDP ratio |
Blasphemer |
Jan-31-11 02:24 PM |
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"Ours is around 28% while it's 39% for the UK and 43-49% for Scandinavian countries. " |
ProSense |
Jan-31-11 02:43 PM |
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Proposal C - this variation |
whosinpower |
Jan-31-11 04:17 PM |
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What do those rate cuts mean? n/t |
ProSense |
Feb-02-11 03:44 PM |
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No body earning less than $50k/yr should pay federal income tax. |
baldguy |
Jan-31-11 08:06 PM |
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why have steps instead of a sloped line? |
yurbud |
Feb-01-11 01:05 AM |
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The steps are there for ease of understanding, more or less. |
dbmk |
Feb-01-11 04:34 AM |
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OK, a slope with a plateau. If you do your own taxes, you look it up in a table anyway |
yurbud |
Feb-01-11 10:54 AM |
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Except when having to put it into words to Mr and Mrs US. n/t |
dbmk |
Feb-01-11 11:47 AM |
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I think both the personal exemption and the standared deduction should raised high enough |
yellowcanine |
Feb-02-11 04:07 PM |
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The problem is that tax policy alone |
quaker bill |
Feb-03-11 05:03 AM |
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WTH.. |
GTurck |
Feb-03-11 07:15 AM |
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I would like a flat tax with NO loopholes or tax shelters. |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Feb-03-11 01:48 PM |
#78 |
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