Axrendale
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Wed Jan-26-11 07:34 AM
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| 8. *snorts* You think THIS is the political equivalent of three dimensional chess? |
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If so, then you demonstrate some considerable naivety about the dark facts of politics my friend.
While Obama in this instance is certainly engaging in politicking of a high standard, he is nowhere even close to plumbing the murky depths of political complexity in which the machinations of the great progressive leaders of the past operated. When one compares such basic political sleight-of-hand to the mind-numbingly sophisticated strategies that were employed by presidents like FDR, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, or for that matter Obama himself on other occaisons, in order to achieve their ends, this sort of thing by comparison looks about as subtle as an arm-wrestling match rather than a game of chess.
Obama has long since proved that as a politician he is capable of operating at a high level indeed of the machiavellian art - higher than any POTUS since Nixon (though thankfully with few of Nixon's flaws) - and that is good, for without such "chess playing", the liberal dream never becomes anything more than a fantasy.
History, if nothing else, stands as proof of that.
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| -President Obama and Corporate America: Is he a 'sell-out' or a brilliant progressive politician? |
Axrendale |
Jan-26-11 06:37 AM |
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When you use the "sell-out" memo, you can forget from me reading anything beyond |
impik |
Jan-26-11 06:40 AM |
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Why? Are you afraid that what you might read will indicate that the President is in fact |
Axrendale |
Jan-26-11 07:09 AM |
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People who complain endlessly about a President speaking to |
treestar |
Jan-26-11 06:56 AM |
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While the anti-business sentiment that has come to define a large portion of the Left |
Axrendale |
Jan-26-11 07:22 AM |
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Really, that sounds like what the republicans say about JFK. |
boston bean |
Jan-26-11 07:39 AM |
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Actually it should sound like what many of JFK's staunchest but most clear-eyed liberal admirers say |
Axrendale |
Jan-26-11 08:23 AM |
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You're right on the mark with that. |
badtoworse |
Jan-26-11 07:42 AM |
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Spot on sir! |
Axrendale |
Jan-26-11 08:26 AM |
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Exactly! +1 |
treestar |
Jan-26-11 02:36 PM |
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We're back to obama playing three dimensional chess on uranus. |
boston bean |
Jan-26-11 07:21 AM |
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*snorts* You think THIS is the political equivalent of three dimensional chess? |
Axrendale |
Jan-26-11 07:34 AM |
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The results point to sell-out. |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-26-11 07:32 AM |
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I disagree. |
Axrendale |
Jan-26-11 07:52 AM |
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I don't want to discourage you from continuing to work on this angle, |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-26-11 09:23 AM |
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The proof will always be in the pudding. |
Axrendale |
Jan-27-11 07:04 AM |
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Obama is right we should tax the Corporations who don't pay any taxes |
barbiegeek |
Jan-26-11 07:33 AM |
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I am not a fan of Obama |
nod factor |
Jan-26-11 07:48 AM |
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Alas friend, circumstances hardly conspired to offer him a wealth of options |
Axrendale |
Jan-26-11 08:03 AM |
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Very well said |
nod factor |
Jan-26-11 10:49 AM |
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Believe me, I can fully appreciate the sense of expectation that so many felt after 2008. |
Axrendale |
Jan-27-11 06:47 AM |
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In 2008, we all voted for change. |
LAGC |
Jan-27-11 07:38 AM |
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Your ability to tell the future and speak for millions amazes even me and |
cliffordu |
Jan-27-11 10:58 AM |
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If Obama's presidency were to end tommorow, then I personally would rank him |
Axrendale |
Jan-28-11 02:54 AM |
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He is NOT a progressive! n/t |
Fire1 |
Jan-26-11 09:53 AM |
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What is he then? |
Axrendale |
Jan-27-11 07:09 AM |
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He has definitely proven himself to be a centrist and he's |
Fire1 |
Jan-27-11 06:33 PM |
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Define progressive...because I'm sure you don't know what it means. n/t |
vaberella |
Jan-27-11 08:50 AM |
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Jan-27-11 09:00 AM |
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Well we all can't be as brilliant as you! But MY definition is |
Fire1 |
Jan-27-11 06:32 PM |
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If you would avail yourself to actually study President Obama's personal political views, |
Axrendale |
Jan-28-11 03:12 AM |
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In terms of legislation, this is true. His appointments |
Fire1 |
Jan-28-11 09:40 AM |
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You are right, there is a clear distinction between Obama and Dean, Weiner, Grayson, Kucinich, and |
Axrendale |
Jan-28-11 11:15 PM |
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80% access to high speed rail, 80% of the nation running on clean energy, government investments.... |
phleshdef |
Jan-27-11 09:24 AM |
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These are proposals and projections. Try again. n/t |
Fire1 |
Jan-27-11 06:36 PM |
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Um, no, just proposals, and they are being proposed by this President... |
phleshdef |
Jan-27-11 08:17 PM |
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Projections relative to future performance, thus the "80%." |
Fire1 |
Jan-28-11 09:48 AM |
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You are just making shit up. You aren't even writing relevant responses. |
phleshdef |
Jan-28-11 12:23 PM |
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Then don't read or respond. n/t |
Fire1 |
Jan-28-11 06:26 PM |
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If he had even one Progressive in his inner circle I may harbor the same |
harun |
Jan-27-11 08:37 AM |
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What about Elizabeth Warren? She's a part of his inner circle, and I hear, fairly progressive. |
Axrendale |
Jan-28-11 02:39 AM |
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Just pointing out that those aren't mutually exclusive. He could be both. |
yellowcanine |
Jan-27-11 09:01 AM |
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To be honest, I would say that as far as political brilliance goes, |
Axrendale |
Jan-28-11 04:05 AM |
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Wow. When did Michelle Obama wake up next to George Lakoff??! |
ClassWarrior |
Jan-27-11 09:18 AM |
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You know, sometimes as parents |
Hutzpa |
Jan-27-11 08:07 PM |
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Indeed. |
Axrendale |
Jan-28-11 04:24 AM |
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Somebody who actually knows FDR, not just the absurd hagiography! |
boppers |
Jan-28-11 03:03 AM |
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Thank you :) |
Axrendale |
Jan-28-11 04:11 AM |
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Some spell check: |
boppers |
Jan-28-11 04:42 AM |
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Thanks again. |
Axrendale |
Jan-28-11 05:58 AM |
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