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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:34 PM
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148. I work directly with politicians
both Dems and Republicans. This is the one thing they have in common, a desire to keep the job. If you can get them elected, or raise them lots of money to increase their chances of being re-elected, you will be attended to. If your support is conditional and ineffective, you are done.

It doesn't matter how "right" you may be ideologically. You can have the best arguments and thought out positions in the world. The problem is that we use the wrong metric. We see correct as the most morally justified position. Politicians are all but universally situational beasts. Their lives are dominated by the election in a few weeks or the one in two years. They are raising money for the next campaign from day 1. It is a profession that is all about winning elections and not angering too many of the wrong folks in between them.

How does one become one of the "wrong folks to anger"? You do it by being in their corner constantly and reliably as a significant source of votes and money. This kind of relationship is not created by a single election, it is built over a career. Why was Kennedy a "liberal lion"? In part because he believed in it, but in easily equal measure because he could count on being re-elected doing it. If this were not the case, he would have lost doing it, and losing candidates are never "liberal lions".

Serving liberals are not in "safe seats" because they were already liberal and happen to move there. Neither do they change the District to a more blue shade. They become liberals because this is what the voters in these areas have supported with consistently dollars and votes. The politician is the product of the process, not the other way around.

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  -Lawrence O'Donnell just pointed out that NEVER BEFORE has a Democratic president jenmito  Jan-06-11 09:05 PM   #0 
  - I don't recall people paying as much attention as these days  eleny   Jan-06-11 09:08 PM   #1 
  - I don't either,  jenmito   Jan-06-11 09:13 PM   #5 
  - Cable and the net changed our scope  eleny   Jan-06-11 09:17 PM   #9 
     - You are absolutely right.  RichGirl   Jan-07-11 06:18 AM   #60 
     - The Clintonistas want someone to keep an eye on Obama  molly77   Jan-08-11 07:15 AM   #129 
  - We started paying close attention when SCOTUS put Bush in the WH; we paid closer attention  pacalo   Jan-06-11 10:16 PM   #21 
  - What does that have to do with White House staffers?  Lord Magus   Jan-07-11 01:41 AM   #47 
     - You're absolutely right, your lordship! My comment was in reply to #1...  pacalo   Jan-08-11 01:31 AM   #117 
  - In the good old days we did not have Limbaugh, Hannity & Levine  golfguru   Jan-06-11 10:21 PM   #22 
  - Absolutely  eleny   Jan-07-11 08:43 AM   #76 
  - I'm don't remember any President  JamesA1102   Jan-08-11 08:56 AM   #132 
  - One would think President Obama appointed him co-President.  ProSense   Jan-06-11 09:09 PM   #2 
  - "One" being Adam Green.  jenmito   Jan-06-11 09:18 PM   #10 
  - +1  Phx_Dem   Jan-07-11 08:17 AM   #75 
  - Adam Green can hold his  Nite Owl   Jan-06-11 09:10 PM   #3 
  - I really don't think that's  ProSense   Jan-06-11 09:13 PM   #6 
  - Just look at the unrecs on this thread.  tridim   Jan-06-11 09:28 PM   #15 
  - Are you serious??  jenmito   Jan-06-11 09:17 PM   #8 
  - Bill Clinton ran as a new Democrat  Nite Owl   Jan-07-11 11:10 AM   #83 
  - +10...This prez, IMO, barely deserves the designation "Democrat". n/t  whathehell   Jan-06-11 09:19 PM   #11 
  - How 'bout Bill Clinton???  jenmito   Jan-06-11 09:23 PM   #14 
  - Is he really your baseline?  Union Scribe   Jan-07-11 02:13 AM   #53 
  - How about Bill Clinton?....I feel the same about him.  whathehell   Jan-07-11 08:11 AM   #73 
  - Him too. nt  Enthusiast   Jan-08-11 04:22 AM   #119 
  - That is truly, truly ridiculous.  Pirate Smile   Jan-06-11 10:35 PM   #28 
  - I'm sorry you feel that way, but clearly many here on DU agree with me. n/t  whathehell   Jan-07-11 08:05 AM   #72 
     - and that says a lot about the state of DU these days.  Pirate Smile   Jan-07-11 11:39 AM   #85 
     - Again, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but I don't share it.n/t  whathehell   Jan-07-11 02:01 PM   #96 
     - I am a democrat . I still like Obama.  molly77   Jan-08-11 08:05 PM   #139 
     - Like me, I agree. nt  Enthusiast   Jan-08-11 04:23 AM   #120 
  - We have had Republican Presidents  Nite Owl   Jan-07-11 11:13 AM   #84 
  - I agree...Thom Hartmann has said he thought Eisenhower was more liberal.  whathehell   Jan-07-11 02:58 PM   #101 
     - Nixon's domestic policies were more liberal. WE are a fascist country.  molly77   Jan-08-11 08:06 PM   #140 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-07-11 02:13 PM   #97 
  - He doesn't deserve it.  Enthusiast   Jan-08-11 04:22 AM   #118 
     - I gotcha...and yeah, it is a "stretch" to say the least. n/t  whathehell   Jan-08-11 03:12 PM   #135 
  - I was going to ask ...  frazzled   Jan-07-11 12:14 AM   #42 
  - I consider myself part of the base and I cheer the Daley appointment  quiller4   Jan-07-11 02:08 AM   #51 
  - + 1000...n/t  MissDeeds   Jan-08-11 08:37 AM   #131 
  - His choice on Rahm Emanuel wasn't criticized?  baldguy   Jan-06-11 09:13 PM   #4 
  - It was-and he was Obama's choice-same president. n/t  jenmito   Jan-06-11 09:14 PM   #7 
  - He is hyper-criticized for EVERYTHING he says or does.  tridim   Jan-06-11 09:29 PM   #16 
     - Agree. Its new. And we saw it clearly during DADT.  JoePhilly   Jan-07-11 07:00 AM   #63 
        - You have absolutely nailed it  Number23   Jan-08-11 06:18 PM   #136 
  - Never before has so much been expected from a president.  nevergiveup   Jan-06-11 09:19 PM   #12 
  - I agree...  jenmito   Jan-06-11 09:21 PM   #13 
  - Respectfully, I would never have expected a Democratic president to even hint at  pacalo   Jan-06-11 10:29 PM   #26 
     - "making cuts to Social Security & Medicare "  ProSense   Jan-06-11 11:06 PM   #32 
     - He himself has hinted at it & so has his appointed catfood commission.  pacalo   Jan-06-11 11:31 PM   #34 
        - No, that wasn't a hint  ProSense   Jan-06-11 11:38 PM   #38 
           - I'm anxiously waiting for the SOTU speech on Jan. 27.  pacalo   Jan-06-11 11:44 PM   #39 
           - He put it on the table when he appointed those two clowns  jeanpalmer   Jan-07-11 01:05 AM   #46 
              - Obama has not said, "Social Security  Enthusiast   Jan-08-11 04:32 AM   #122 
                 - Why hasn't the president used your exact words of choice?  boppers   Jan-08-11 06:34 PM   #137 
                    - And how will does the Sec. of Defense think we should cut  molly77   Jan-08-11 08:10 PM   #142 
                    - The F-22 is a healthcare program?  boppers   Jan-08-11 08:14 PM   #145 
                    - If he was on 'our side' his words  Enthusiast   Jan-09-11 06:39 AM   #151 
     - Obama is going to embrace new trade deals.  Enthusiast   Jan-08-11 04:29 AM   #121 
  - Let's not forget  laugle   Jan-06-11 09:47 PM   #17 
  - Obama is the one who raised the expectations level  Art_from_Ark   Jan-06-11 09:54 PM   #18 
  - So Obama is to blame for people complaining?  ProSense   Jan-06-11 10:23 PM   #23 
  - If those people are right, then yeah.  Union Scribe   Jan-07-11 02:10 AM   #52 
     - Exactly how it works. nt  Enthusiast   Jan-08-11 04:33 AM   #123 
  - Those are not "unrealistic" expectation levels  nevergiveup   Jan-06-11 10:27 PM   #25 
     - "We are going to change this country, and change the world."  Bluenorthwest   Jan-07-11 08:47 AM   #77 
        - get a grip  nevergiveup   Jan-07-11 09:29 PM   #116 
  - Never before has a president asked us to expect so much from him.  demwing   Jan-06-11 11:37 PM   #36 
  - I agree with you ONE HUNDRED Percent.....He underdelivers and then  whathehell   Jan-07-11 02:44 PM   #99 
  - Good post.  Enthusiast   Jan-08-11 04:35 AM   #124 
  - Thank you.  whathehell   Jan-08-11 05:27 AM   #127 
  - BUT since since the Clintonistas rahm and larry were fired.  molly77   Jan-08-11 08:11 PM   #143 
     - You forgot Gibbs...Now that he's gone, we may go to zero. n/t  whathehell   Jan-09-11 10:40 AM   #153 
  - But you always knew the parameters of power the office of President  treestar   Jan-07-11 03:17 PM   #104 
  - Really? You never despised Haldeman and Ehrlichman?  CTyankee   Jan-07-11 12:23 AM   #43 
  - Never before had the country suffered through a stolen election and eight years of hell with two war  KoKo   Jan-07-11 07:28 AM   #68 
  - I'm with KoKo!  Enthusiast   Jan-08-11 04:42 AM   #125 
     - Obama as victim of constituents whom expect him not to appoint JP Morgan Chase Wall St Executives  lilyrl   Jan-08-11 11:52 PM   #150 
  - Exactly. Can people even name other COSs?  treestar   Jan-07-11 03:15 PM   #103 
  - I think he should have his vacations.  molly77   Jan-08-11 08:14 PM   #144 
     - "But his appointments are neo con"??? You can't be serious!  jenmito   Jan-08-11 08:34 PM   #147 
  - That's true. Obama promised a change from the exesses of the Bush presidency  Canuckistanian   Jan-09-11 07:18 PM   #155 
  - HIs last chief of staff was so bad  tularetom   Jan-06-11 09:58 PM   #19 
  - WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE CHIEF OF STAFF? That's a personal choice...  TreasonousBastard   Jan-06-11 09:59 PM   #20 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-06-11 10:26 PM   #24 
  - I completely agree.  AtomicKitten   Jan-06-11 10:36 PM   #29 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-09-11 06:55 AM   #152 
  - The chief of staff is as powerful as a president allows him to be.  pacalo   Jan-06-11 10:40 PM   #30 
  - "as powerful as a president allows him to be"  ProSense   Jan-06-11 10:43 PM   #31 
  - Wow  Ramulux   Jan-06-11 11:22 PM   #33 
  - Not really.  ProSense   Jan-06-11 11:36 PM   #35 
  - And your point is...? I can't think of any way a bunch of nitpicking kibitzers...  TreasonousBastard   Jan-07-11 01:02 AM   #45 
  - What are you talking about?  Ramulux   Jan-07-11 02:17 AM   #54 
  - You sound like you would rather just have a King and be done with the whole democracy experiment.  w4rma   Jan-07-11 07:57 AM   #71 
  - Yep, it's that "just trust 'em" philosophy that lets us get conned over and over.  Union Scribe   Jan-07-11 01:58 AM   #50 
  - THAT'S O'DONNELL'S POINT!  jenmito   Jan-07-11 10:29 AM   #80 
  - None of our business?  Enthusiast   Jan-08-11 04:44 AM   #126 
  - Yes, the reaction here is just about hatred of people who worked  treestar   Jan-08-11 07:17 AM   #130 
  - just in my own lifetime, ham jordan was criticized by democrats  unblock   Jan-06-11 10:31 PM   #27 
  - McLarty was a force behind NAFTA and the war on welfare recipients, iirc  Union Scribe   Jan-07-11 01:56 AM   #49 
  - Many of us held our tongues for too long  markpkessinger   Jan-06-11 11:38 PM   #37 
  - and many still not long enough  quaker bill   Jan-07-11 06:16 AM   #59 
  - Very well said, markpkessinger. +1 n/t  Laelth   Jan-07-11 07:30 AM   #69 
  - Quite frankly I think many had no idea what the fuck a Chief of Staff was before The West Wing  Hippo_Tron   Jan-06-11 11:49 PM   #40 
  - Don't know how old you are...but as a Dem who has been one since JFK  KoKo   Jan-07-11 07:22 AM   #67 
  - Did you not go to school? I mean, I knew who and what  Bluenorthwest   Jan-07-11 09:07 AM   #79 
  - Maybe because never before has a Democratic President put in such a lousy CoS... just saying. N/T  rachael7   Jan-06-11 11:58 PM   #41 
  - Or maybe this is the first Dem President DU has been around for.  vaberella   Jan-07-11 02:18 AM   #55 
  - Welcome to DU, Rachael7  txlibdem   Jan-07-11 11:08 AM   #82 
  - Adam Green is not the brightest bulb on the Progressive tree...  Clio the Leo   Jan-07-11 12:42 AM   #44 
  - Oh, those libs are such bullies! Poor Obama!  Union Scribe   Jan-07-11 01:51 AM   #48 
  - Racist fringe. They think they owned him.  impik   Jan-07-11 03:40 AM   #56 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-07-11 07:11 AM   #65 
  - Who are you calling  Nite Owl   Jan-07-11 11:42 AM   #86 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-07-11 12:31 PM   #89 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-07-11 03:26 PM   #107 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-07-11 09:12 PM   #115 
  - Oh my those horrible horrible liberals  Raine   Jan-07-11 04:15 AM   #57 
  - Pelosi told Ed Schultz she trusted the President's judgment of Dailey pick. She also pointed out we  flpoljunkie   Jan-07-11 06:04 AM   #58 
  - So faced with a Republican House,  quaker bill   Jan-07-11 06:25 AM   #61 
  - If the object is to just get re-elected...then Daley is a good pick.  KoKo   Jan-07-11 07:18 AM   #66 
     - You imagine a reality that does not exist  quaker bill   Jan-08-11 06:16 AM   #128 
        - Interesting what you say...don't agree with all...but it's an interesting read.  KoKo   Jan-08-11 07:20 PM   #138 
           - I work directly with politicians  quaker bill   Jan-08-11 10:34 PM   #148 
  - I think Democrats are paying attention since the last Chief of Staff  Vinca   Jan-07-11 06:49 AM   #62 
  - I blame it on West Wing. Before that show, no one knew what a Chief of Staff did  sybylla   Jan-07-11 07:10 AM   #64 
  - That's because they chose wisely  harun   Jan-07-11 07:50 AM   #70 
  - My husband and I were saying the same thing before O'Donnell's show!  Phx_Dem   Jan-07-11 08:15 AM   #74 
  - Tell that to Hamilton Jordan. He got a job for Monica as I recall  Bluenorthwest   Jan-07-11 08:54 AM   #78 
  - and he earned it fair and square.  ChairmanAgnostic   Jan-07-11 10:41 AM   #81 
  - There's a first for everything.  GeorgeGist   Jan-07-11 12:02 PM   #87 
  - "Deal with it"?  jenmito   Jan-07-11 12:27 PM   #88 
     - It has been pointed out that this IS NOT the first CoS appointment to be criticized, yet you go on.  cherokeeprogressive   Jan-07-11 12:36 PM   #90 
        - Tell Lawrence O'Donnell to "deal with it." I don't recall Dems. going on TV and slamming a Dem.  jenmito   Jan-07-11 01:10 PM   #91 
  - Adam Green is Not Easily Destroyed  otohara   Jan-07-11 01:22 PM   #92 
  - Yes he is.  jenmito   Jan-07-11 01:28 PM   #93 
     - Obama's Message  otohara   Jan-07-11 02:43 PM   #98 
        - Bull!  jenmito   Jan-07-11 02:46 PM   #100 
           - ROFLMAO... Really? Then what does your post #98 mean?  ClassWarrior   Jan-07-11 07:32 PM   #112 
              - ROFLMAO at YOU!!!  jenmito   Jan-07-11 08:28 PM   #113 
  - No one cared who the unelected CoS was in the days before the Internet.  Arkana   Jan-07-11 01:45 PM   #94 
  - Honestly this guy is going to be no worse than Rahm.  craigmatic   Jan-07-11 01:57 PM   #95 
  - Dem Presidents HAVE INDEED been criticised by fellow Dems in the Party!  Mimosa   Jan-07-11 03:08 PM   #102 
  - Yup...  whathehell   Jan-07-11 03:23 PM   #105 
  - "...for his choice of Chief of Staff..." n/t  jenmito   Jan-07-11 03:24 PM   #106 
  - True but for policy disagreements  JamesA1102   Jan-07-11 06:10 PM   #109 
     - We have the internet now. Back in the day practically no one  Raine   Jan-07-11 07:18 PM   #110 
        - Bull!  JamesA1102   Jan-07-11 07:25 PM   #111 
  - President Obama could appoint the ghost of Thomas Jefferson as CoS, and  Ikonoklast   Jan-07-11 04:19 PM   #108 
  - Gergen and Morris  Warren Stupidity   Jan-07-11 09:02 PM   #114 
  - False premise Lawrence. I've been highly critical of all manners of appointments  TheKentuckian   Jan-08-11 09:19 AM   #133 
  - Obama won the primary because he was the "non-DLC" candidate.  PassingFair   Jan-08-11 11:36 AM   #134 
  - The internet was never a factor before. MSNBC was not a player either in the 1990's  LiberalFighter   Jan-08-11 08:08 PM   #141 
  - You don't have to find it on the internet. Dem. critics of Obama and his choice of CoS are all over  jenmito   Jan-08-11 08:30 PM   #146 
     - The internet makes it easier to spread it around.  LiberalFighter   Jan-09-11 05:29 PM   #154 
  - During last democratic president, there was  golfguru   Jan-08-11 11:04 PM   #149 
  - LOL  Skittles   Jan-09-11 09:35 PM   #156 

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