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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 07:41 PM
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35. The term "liberal" has been so vigorously and systematically stigmatized that this means little
People forget what was at the heart of "1984": the concept of newspeak and its ability, by destroying language, to destroy the feelings described by it. It has been a linguistic hate-fest of epic proportions for the last more than half a century to deride, denigrate and vilify the word "liberal" that people run from it from mere sense-memory alone.

That's why so many prefer the label "progressive", and why so many of us call those people out as being weak in the face of an onslaught.

It's also a bit of an imbalanced dichotomy, anyway: I would say that a "liberal" is a bit farther from the center than a "conservative", and even though this is all very imperfect and subjective, I'll bet this plays into the results cited.

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  -Reality Check for all liberals: Pisces  Dec-31-10 02:05 PM   #0 
  - The media has everything to do with it.  rucky   Dec-31-10 02:08 PM   #1 
  - You can't blame it on all the media. We might try and look in the mirror sometime. nt  demosincebirth   Dec-31-10 03:11 PM   #19 
     - I don't blame individuals in the media; but I DO blame their owners; and I blame  snot   Jan-01-11 01:09 AM   #40 
     - We, as in you and I, don't have to.  HughBeaumont   Jan-01-11 03:39 AM   #41 
     - check your sigline. n/t  rucky   Jan-01-11 08:48 PM   #48 
        - True!  demosincebirth   Jan-01-11 09:29 PM   #49 
  - Concise, practical  duhneece   Dec-31-10 02:09 PM   #2 
  - Kevin Drum from Mother Jones wrote the center piece. Here is a link, did not intend to  Pisces   Dec-31-10 02:14 PM   #4 
  - I don't trust Gallup's numbers. Why should Drum?  leveymg   Dec-31-10 02:35 PM   #15 
     - Drum is pretty good at this journalism thingie, wouldn't you say?  Capn Sunshine   Jan-03-11 06:23 PM   #53 
  - But if that is indeed correct, then how did we get liberal majorities for 2 years?  Go2Peace   Dec-31-10 05:21 PM   #31 
     - probably because the mishandling of Katrina was so obvious that  zbdent   Jan-01-11 12:56 PM   #47 
  - That's all about labels. "Self-IDs." Check the population on the issues and...  ClassWarrior   Dec-31-10 02:13 PM   #3 
  - 40% of Americans consider themselves conservative because of 2 issues: abortion and Balancing the  Tony_FLADEM   Dec-31-10 02:14 PM   #5 
  - Economics is not the main issue with abortion, it is about education which fundies object too.  Pisces   Dec-31-10 02:18 PM   #6 
  - According to the survey below, 73% of women have abortions for economic reasons  Tony_FLADEM   Dec-31-10 02:41 PM   #17 
  - But they want them to have religious eduction in school. From someone else!  SharonAnn   Jan-03-11 09:54 PM   #56 
  - They label themselves conservative because liberal is perjorative term...  rfranklin   Dec-31-10 02:19 PM   #7 
  - Kinda hard to balance the budget while providing the social safety net that would reduce abortion  Hello_Kitty   Dec-31-10 02:22 PM   #9 
  - I think the American People would support increased spending to support a safety net if it were  Tony_FLADEM   Dec-31-10 02:43 PM   #18 
  - Clinton Balanced 5 budgets which is 5 X as many balanced budgets as the last 5 Republican Presidents  mikekohr   Jan-03-11 06:57 PM   #54 
  - Don't talk about labels, talk about issues.  baldguy   Dec-31-10 02:20 PM   #8 
  - Or including torture as a 'family value'  niceypoo   Jan-01-11 12:07 PM   #46 
  - If you actually talk to people, that label doesn't mean much.  ThomCat   Dec-31-10 02:23 PM   #10 
  - People might like to call themselves "conservative"  tularetom   Dec-31-10 02:26 PM   #11 
  - and the democratic party inc has gone along with the dissing of liberal all the way nt  msongs   Dec-31-10 02:30 PM   #14 
  - It is "cool" to say you are conservative and liberal has been made  OHdem10   Dec-31-10 02:29 PM   #12 
  - What data is being referenced?  felix_numinous   Dec-31-10 02:29 PM   #13 
  - Gallup polling - traditionally biased toward the GOP and the Right.  leveymg   Dec-31-10 02:36 PM   #16 
     - Polls collect the opinions of the elderly  abelenkpe   Dec-31-10 03:22 PM   #21 
  - The best poll of last year was the one which showed that most  Bluenorthwest   Dec-31-10 03:19 PM   #20 
  - This could be true, but it still does not negate the fact that the Republican base votes repub no  Pisces   Dec-31-10 03:23 PM   #22 
  - I once met a woman while canvassing who considered herself conservative  Hello_Kitty   Jan-01-11 09:44 PM   #50 
  - First tell us where you get the numbers from.  craigmatic   Dec-31-10 03:29 PM   #23 
  - Harry Truman has a thought for you...  Pholus   Dec-31-10 03:47 PM   #24 
  - Your statistics were accurate. But, I don't accept your political  ladjf   Dec-31-10 03:57 PM   #25 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-31-10 04:08 PM   #26 
  - Wrong! It is a matter of labeling...when asked about specifics...  rfranklin   Dec-31-10 04:21 PM   #27 
  - I really think the labels are too restrictive.  Sherman A1   Dec-31-10 04:29 PM   #28 
  - Rush Limbaugh & the Right Wing have done their best to make the word "liberal" a bad word  mtnsnake   Dec-31-10 04:33 PM   #29 
  - This is the result of the power of Republican messaging propaganda  Go2Peace   Dec-31-10 05:10 PM   #30 
  - Reality Check??  Kermitt Gribble   Dec-31-10 05:56 PM   #32 
  - I have said this many times!  SkyDaddy7   Dec-31-10 06:03 PM   #33 
  - It is the word "liberal" that is in disrepute.  robcon   Dec-31-10 07:34 PM   #34 
  - Progressive is the new liberal  niceypoo   Jan-01-11 12:04 PM   #44 
  - The term "liberal" has been so vigorously and systematically stigmatized that this means little  PurityOfEssence   Dec-31-10 07:41 PM   #35 
  - When the DLC scum claimed to be "liberals"...when Joe Lieberman  PassingFair   Dec-31-10 09:37 PM   #37 
  - It has a lot to do  jeanpalmer   Dec-31-10 09:14 PM   #36 
  - To quote Winston Smith...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-31-10 11:47 PM   #38 
  - It's time for some compassionate Liberalism  Cutatious   Jan-01-11 12:13 AM   #39 
  - When Dukasis ran for prez he let the name "Liberal" be sullied, disrespected  Raine   Jan-01-11 03:41 AM   #42 
  - +10000000 to the power of infinity!  Hello_Kitty   Jan-01-11 10:04 PM   #51 
  - My core convictions do not drift with the polls  niceypoo   Jan-01-11 04:01 AM   #43 
  - That 20% is at least half of the Democratic party  niceypoo   Jan-01-11 12:06 PM   #45 
  - Exactly there is years of work ahead, but people msut at all costs stay in the game.  ProgressOnTheMove   Jan-03-11 06:04 PM   #52 
  - When asked a direct question  Cherchez la Femme   Jan-03-11 09:30 PM   #55 

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