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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 05:06 PM
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50. You know, you have a point! Why bother with "rehabilitation?"
He won't acually be around any dogs (on field, anyway). As an ex-football player myself, I remember the coach always wanting us to "kick ass." "No pussies!," was his cry.

So what better football player than one who got/gets his jollies watching dogs rip into each other, fighting to the death even, and then killing them when they're all used up or can't perform up to expectations.

That's the football coache's wet dream! (Oh, that have to believe in God so they can participate in the team prayer prior to the game).

GO TEAM!!! :applause:

As for "conditions," you mean this:
NEW YORK -- Michael Vick is back in the NFL. Now all he needs is a team.

Free after serving 18 months in prison for running a dogfighting ring, Vick was reinstated with conditions by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on Monday. The former Atlanta Falcons quarterback could participate in regular-season games as early as Week 1.

Michael Vick's skills are too hard to ignore, Bucky Brooks writes, and it's only a matter of time before the former Atlanta Falcons quarterback finds a team willing to take a chance now that he has been reinstated to the NFL.

Vick can immediately take part in preseason practices, workouts and meetings, and he can play in the final two preseason games -- if he finds a team that will sign him. A number of teams already have said they would not.

Once the season begins, Vick may participate in all team activities except games, and Goodell said he would consider the quarterback for full reinstatement by Week 6 (Oct. 18-19) at the latest.

Goodell indefinitely suspended Vick in August 2007 after the quarterback admitted bankrolling a dogfighting operation on his property in Virginia. At the time, Goodell said Vick must show remorse before he would consider reinstating him.

"I accept that you are sincere when you say that you want to, and will, turn your life around, and that you intend to be a positive role model for others," Goodell said in his letter to Vick informing him of the reinstatement. "I am prepared to offer you that opportunity. Whether you succeed is entirely in your hands."

"Needless to say, your margin for error is extremely limited," Goodell said in the letter. "I urge you to take full advantage of the resources available to support you and to dedicate yourself to rebuilding your life and your career. If you do this, the NFL will support you."

Goodell said he spoke to numerous current and former players and coaches as he weighed his decision and that the responses were "very mixed."

"I do recognize that some will never forgive him for what he did," Goodell said. "I hope that the public will have a chance to understand his position as I have."

Marc Morial, president of the National Urban League, praised Goodell's decision to reinstate Vick.

"Now Michael Vick can demonstrate that he can and will serve as a role model for young men in communities across the nation," he said. "I especially commend commissioner Goodell for demonstrating thoughtful courage as well as for reaching out to coach Tony Dungy, a man who is universally respected, for his assistance."

Vick, once the highest-paid player in the league, said he was grateful for a second chance.

"I would like to express my sincere gratitude and appreciation to commissioner Goodell for allowing me to be readmitted to the National Football League," Vick said in a statement released by his agent, Joel Segal. "I fully understand that playing football in the NFL is a privilege, not a right, and I am truly thankful for the opportunity I have been given.

"As you can imagine, the last two years have given me time to re-evaluate my life, mature as an individual and fully understand the terrible mistakes I have made in the past and what type of life I must lead moving forward."
Remorse?

The announcement came after a busy first week of freedom for Vick, who met with union leaders and Goodell on consecutive days last week. Vick's 23-month federal sentence ended when an electronic monitor was removed from his ankle on July 20 at his home in Hampton, Va.

Vick met with DeMaurice Smith, executive director of the NFL Players Association, last Tuesday and with Goodell on Wednesday at a security firm in Allendale, N.J.

Goodell said Vick agreed to undergo psychiatric testing, which determined that he was capable of returning to the NFL but needed continued counseling.

Goodell said keeping Vick from playing at the start of the regular season wasn't a form of punishment but a chance for the quarterback to gradually transition back into the league.

"I have thought about every alternative, but I think this gives him the best chance for success," Goodell said. "We are not looking for failure here. We are looking to see a young man succeed."

But Vick's issues are far from over, and he needs a team to call his own. So far, the owners of the New York Giants, New York Jets and Dallas Cowboys have said they had no interest in the 29-year-old quarterback. Neither do the Falcons, who officially released Vick in June.

Vick filed for bankruptcy protection last July, listing assets of about $16 million and debts of more than $20 million, and he has a hearing about his plan to repay his creditors scheduled for Friday in Newport News, Va. That plan is built around his ability to make NFL-type money again.

Vick is unlikely to command anything close to the 10-year, $130 million contract he once had with the Falcons or to receive endorsement deals after the grisly details of the dogfighting ring were publicized.

Vick pleaded guilty after his three co-defendants already had done so. They told of how Vick participated in the killing of dogs that didn't perform well in test fights by shooting, hanging, drowning or slamming them to the ground.

Vick's appearances at federal court in Richmond, Va., prompted large groups of protesters to gather outside. Many were with PETA and held signs depicting photographs of pit bulls ravaged in dogfights. Still, there were supporters who wore Vick's No. 7 jersey.

Vick already has taken steps to rebuild his image. He met with the president of the Humane Society of the United States while serving his federal sentence in Leavenworth, Kan. He plans to work with HSUS in a program designed to steer inner-city youth away from dogfighting. He wasn't permitted to work with the program while in custody.

Ed Sayres, president of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, said the organization hopes Vick "rises to the occasion and proves worthy of the rare second chance commissioner Goodell has granted him."

"Opportunities for redemption are rare -- but that is exactly the opportunity that awaits Mr. Vick," Sayres said.

Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press


Now, LET THE DOLLAR$$$ ROLL! :woohoo:
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  -DUers disappointed in Obama for praising the Eagles for giving Michael Vick a 2nd chance? wndycty  Dec-27-10 04:14 PM   #0 
  - Oh for christ fucking sake.  Bunny   Dec-27-10 04:15 PM   #1 
  - I'm glad it made you sick, unfortunately i want you to think. . .  wndycty   Dec-27-10 04:18 PM   #2 
  - Sorry, you aren't selling that pile of shit to me.  Bunny   Dec-27-10 04:21 PM   #6 
  - Do you, or do you not think recidivism is an issue and ex offenders need opportunities  wndycty   Dec-27-10 04:22 PM   #8 
  - Oh for fuck sake.  Bunny   Dec-27-10 04:24 PM   #12 
     - I read what you wrote about people being suspect. . .  wndycty   Dec-27-10 04:27 PM   #19 
        - Right. Because I'm ALWAYS attacking Obama.  Bunny   Dec-27-10 04:30 PM   #23 
           - Explain the whole "suspect" thing. . .  wndycty   Dec-27-10 04:31 PM   #26 
  - Anyone of any color who does not hate Vick is suspect?  wndycty   Dec-27-10 04:24 PM   #14 
     - You have got to be fucking kidding me.  Bunny   Dec-27-10 04:28 PM   #21 
        - Well go ahead believe me to stupid and spell out what you think I am "suspect" of?  wndycty   Dec-27-10 04:32 PM   #28 
  - Dream on.  lunatica   Dec-27-10 04:25 PM   #17 
     - You really think that? Read what the hell Obama told the Eagles. . .  wndycty   Dec-27-10 04:30 PM   #24 
        - What Obama said and reality are not the same  lunatica   Dec-27-10 04:34 PM   #30 
           - So Obama shouldn't attempt to encourage employers to employ deserving ex offenders?  wndycty   Dec-27-10 04:40 PM   #39 
  - +1 - well said  DrDan   Dec-27-10 04:19 PM   #4 
  - I don't care about Vick. I care about dogs & hope he is prohibited from owning any, ever.  AtomicKitten   Dec-27-10 04:19 PM   #3 
  - And what are your thoughts on recidivism and giving opportunities to ex offenders?  wndycty   Dec-27-10 04:21 PM   #7 
     - I'm fine with giving Vick a second chance to play.  AtomicKitten   Dec-27-10 04:24 PM   #15 
        - Thanks. . .  wndycty   Dec-27-10 04:31 PM   #27 
  - Well done, but don't you know by now that DUers can't wait to attack Obama?  Liberal_Stalwart71   Dec-27-10 04:20 PM   #5 
  - they seem to have overrun the place lately. nt  jezebel   Dec-27-10 04:22 PM   #9 
  - Lately? They've been here spewing shit since at least the primaries. n/t  Liberal_Stalwart71   Dec-27-10 04:23 PM   #10 
  - this is Democratic Underground . . . not Obama Underground  DrDan   Dec-27-10 04:25 PM   #16 
     - +10000 nt  woo me with science   Dec-27-10 04:41 PM   #40 
  - Do you think Obama was obligated to make his statement?  lunatica   Dec-27-10 04:24 PM   #11 
  - So we now get to censor Obama. Do you know anything about recidivism and its impact . . .  wndycty   Dec-27-10 04:26 PM   #18 
  - Censor?  lunatica   Dec-27-10 04:35 PM   #32 
  - If this is the "straw that breaks the camel's back" to support Obama, then  CakeGrrl   Dec-27-10 04:34 PM   #31 
     - And more importantly I would think progressives care about recidivism and would . . .  wndycty   Dec-27-10 04:39 PM   #37 
     - For some people it will be  lunatica   Dec-27-10 04:39 PM   #38 
        - Hopefully, his remarks will spark a discussion on recidivism and the need to provide. . .  wndycty   Dec-27-10 04:42 PM   #43 
  - I believe in rehabilitation  Cali_Democrat   Dec-27-10 04:24 PM   #13 
  - K&R  young but wise   Dec-27-10 04:27 PM   #20 
  - Where is the forgiveness?  90-percent   Dec-27-10 04:30 PM   #22 
  - I wonder if he underwent therapy while in prison?  KansDem   Dec-27-10 04:43 PM   #44 
     - Well if he underwent therapy it is very likely that he is still undergoing it. . .  wndycty   Dec-27-10 04:46 PM   #45 
  - "You know that little white speck on top of chicken shit? It's chicken shit too." n/t  jody   Dec-27-10 04:30 PM   #25 
  - Yet, some folks are offended when school districts hire "reformed" child molesters...  KansDem   Dec-27-10 04:33 PM   #29 
  - Well Michael Vick wasn't hired to work at Petco now was he?  wndycty   Dec-27-10 04:35 PM   #33 
     - You know, you have a point! Why bother with "rehabilitation?"  KansDem   Dec-27-10 05:06 PM   #50 
  - Once again, you bring up race  PurityOfEssence   Dec-27-10 04:36 PM   #34 
  - Do you have any idea why I brought up race and how I brought it up?  wndycty   Dec-27-10 04:38 PM   #35 
  - good post. nt  woo me with science   Dec-27-10 05:01 PM   #48 
  - No surprise at all  CakeGrrl   Dec-27-10 04:39 PM   #36 
  - Yup, didn't I read about this in the book "1984?"  wndycty   Dec-27-10 04:41 PM   #41 
  - The guy seems genuinely sorry and he has become an exemplary citizen.  dkf   Dec-27-10 04:42 PM   #42 
  - "he has become an exemplary citizen."  KansDem   Dec-27-10 05:06 PM   #52 
  - There's a difference  customerserviceguy   Dec-27-10 05:07 PM   #53 
  - Sorry, I disagree.  GOPBasher   Dec-27-10 04:57 PM   #46 
  - If you or I did what Vick did, once we were released the general public. . .  wndycty   Dec-27-10 05:05 PM   # 
  - I saw a movie once ...  frazzled   Dec-27-10 05:00 PM   #47 
  - If you were talking about  customerserviceguy   Dec-27-10 05:05 PM   #49 
  - Get real. The Eagles "gave Michael Vick an opportunity" not because of their big heart,  rhett o rick   Dec-27-10 05:06 PM   #51 
  - Fuck Vick. n/t  muffin1   Dec-27-10 05:07 PM   #54 
  - I've been surprised by the over-reaction here  OKNancy   Dec-27-10 05:09 PM   #55 
  - Locking  cbayer   Dec-27-10 05:11 PM   #56 
 

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