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Mon Dec-14-09 08:38 PM
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| -Does anyone here buy the "it's still a good bill without a public option or buy-in" meme? |
Ken Burch |
Dec-14-09 08:37 PM |
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It is a sellout... |
movonne |
Dec-14-09 08:38 PM |
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Nope. |
dkf |
Dec-14-09 08:38 PM |
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Not just NO. |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Dec-14-09 08:38 PM |
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OK now I know you're upset. 'Cause I've never seen you curse. |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
Dec-15-09 03:27 PM |
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The same ones that bought the Afghan surge as a path to peace. |
VMI Dem |
Dec-14-09 08:38 PM |
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BOMBS..YES!!!! HEALTHCARE NO!!! President 'Oh Bomb 'em' |
polpilot |
Dec-14-09 08:40 PM |
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No fucking way! |
El Supremo |
Dec-14-09 08:39 PM |
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A cheerleader or two maybe... |
AnOhioan |
Dec-14-09 08:40 PM |
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No |
Joe Bacon |
Dec-14-09 08:40 PM |
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No. I've given up...and I'm extremely unhappy. |
Diane R |
Dec-14-09 08:40 PM |
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They are trying to sell us a lemon |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-14-09 08:41 PM |
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No |
DJ13 |
Dec-14-09 08:41 PM |
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My guess is that Barack Obama does. |
timeforpeace |
Dec-14-09 08:45 PM |
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There is a difference between buying and selling |
JVS |
Dec-14-09 08:46 PM |
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No |
JVS |
Dec-14-09 08:45 PM |
#13 |
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It's a mediocre bill. I don't like it without a public option. |
Zynx |
Dec-14-09 08:45 PM |
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Nooooooo. |
asdjrocky |
Dec-14-09 08:45 PM |
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Progressives should do what Kucinich did and vote to kill it. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-14-09 08:48 PM |
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Coming from THIS Democratic Party? Not a chance. (nt) |
NorthCarolina |
Dec-14-09 08:48 PM |
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no -- absolutely NO |
Donnachaidh |
Dec-14-09 08:50 PM |
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Nope (nt) |
Dinger |
Dec-14-09 08:58 PM |
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Nope, I';m done buying into it. n/t |
WeDidIt |
Dec-14-09 09:00 PM |
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Nope. |
Lord Helmet |
Dec-14-09 09:01 PM |
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Yes. A piece of crap is better than a piece of shit! |
Better Believe It |
Dec-14-09 09:01 PM |
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What about a piece of dookie? |
Ken Burch |
Dec-14-09 09:02 PM |
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I'm Waiting For Someone (With Honesty) To Say Yes And Defend It |
Dinger |
Dec-14-09 09:03 PM |
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It's still better than nothing. It can and will be something to build on. n/t |
jenmito |
Dec-14-09 09:13 PM |
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The new Democratic platform for 2010, "It's better than nothing." nt |
bigjohn16 |
Dec-14-09 09:17 PM |
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It will still help hundreds of thousands of people. And it will be improved upon. n/t |
jenmito |
Dec-14-09 09:20 PM |
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In 2024, maybe. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-14-09 09:25 PM |
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That's your negative attitude talking. I disagree. And again, it will help |
jenmito |
Dec-14-09 09:29 PM |
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It is not going to help anyone, except possibly very wealthy people with pre-existing conditions |
eridani |
Dec-15-09 05:26 AM |
#81 |
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You can't build on lost ground |
Ken Burch |
Dec-14-09 09:24 PM |
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It helps people with pre-existing conditions. n/t |
jenmito |
Dec-14-09 09:29 PM |
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The ones in jobs that provide insurance, for as long as the companies continue to provide it. |
LooseWilly |
Dec-14-09 10:46 PM |
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What will the maximum co-pay be? nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-15-09 03:09 AM |
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Not unless they have good credit. |
Lyric |
Dec-15-09 09:10 AM |
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Not really. |
Milo_Bloom |
Dec-15-09 03:19 PM |
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I kept telling myself that until today |
high density |
Dec-14-09 09:28 PM |
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Not being able to reject people with pre-existing conditions is a big change. n/t |
jenmito |
Dec-14-09 09:34 PM |
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It's nice |
high density |
Dec-14-09 09:37 PM |
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For me, it's more than "nice." |
jenmito |
Dec-14-09 09:49 PM |
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Great. So you get the insurance, and you file a claim-- |
eridani |
Dec-15-09 09:17 AM |
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Where's the cost containment? |
dgibby |
Dec-14-09 10:44 PM |
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Bullshit. They can still charge you whatever they want |
eridani |
Dec-15-09 05:26 AM |
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The bad credit risk |
pecwae |
Dec-15-09 07:23 AM |
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Ya think? Maybe people who have been sick-- |
eridani |
Dec-15-09 09:16 AM |
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Of course they can. |
Milo_Bloom |
Dec-15-09 03:22 PM |
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Very true. The bill sucks, but is an improvement over no bill. n/t |
backscatter712 |
Dec-15-09 04:35 PM |
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No |
high density |
Dec-14-09 09:16 PM |
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Remove the mandates and its still a good bill because of the regulations. |
phleshdef |
Dec-14-09 09:19 PM |
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you cannot enforce pre existing selection without mandates |
grantcart |
Dec-14-09 09:33 PM |
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Mandates without public option is just a "mandatory insurance bill" |
Ken Burch |
Dec-14-09 09:40 PM |
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Without the public option the Democratic Party will be walking into a trap |
grantcart |
Dec-14-09 10:21 PM |
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what regulations are those? |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-14-09 11:11 PM |
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Well, there's a Sunshine Provision to expose price gouging |
eridani |
Dec-15-09 05:32 AM |
#83 |
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Can you fucking read? |
phleshdef |
Dec-15-09 09:01 AM |
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it seems you cannot list one meaningful reform |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-15-09 03:13 PM |
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They are in my post. If you can't read or refuse to, I'm not gonna baby you. |
phleshdef |
Dec-16-09 07:39 PM |
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If the co-payments are crazy then those things are pointless. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-15-09 08:47 AM |
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No, but you knew it was coming. Spin, baby spin! nt |
Umbral |
Dec-14-09 09:19 PM |
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HELL NO! n/t |
beaglelover |
Dec-14-09 09:20 PM |
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NO |
amborin |
Dec-14-09 09:21 PM |
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Nope, and you can send that to all the a-holes in the US Senate. |
Hawkeye-X |
Dec-14-09 09:22 PM |
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No, but I also dont buy the argument that nothing is better than something. |
MadBadger |
Dec-14-09 09:27 PM |
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This time, MadBladger, nothing will be better than something. |
David Zephyr |
Dec-14-09 10:03 PM |
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No... |
WillyT |
Dec-14-09 09:30 PM |
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No. n/t |
Kermitt Gribble |
Dec-14-09 09:31 PM |
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nope |
grantcart |
Dec-14-09 09:34 PM |
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This is about what I expected the Dems to deliver. |
Jackpine Radical |
Dec-14-09 09:42 PM |
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no...its a bad bill...... |
winyanstaz |
Dec-14-09 09:47 PM |
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OBAMA IS LIARING TO US! |
mkultra |
Dec-14-09 10:00 PM |
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It was barely acceptable with it... |
S_E_Fudd |
Dec-14-09 10:23 PM |
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NOT EVEN CLOSE |
27inCali |
Dec-14-09 10:25 PM |
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It's health care reform in name only. |
donheld |
Dec-14-09 10:36 PM |
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No... it's a mandated and subsidized handout to the industry without thems... |
LooseWilly |
Dec-14-09 10:41 PM |
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No |
Digit |
Dec-14-09 10:45 PM |
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Yes. |
jefferson_dem |
Dec-14-09 10:51 PM |
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It's barely a good bill WITH a public option. |
Eric Condon |
Dec-14-09 11:00 PM |
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I "Buy " It because it's true |
Capn Sunshine |
Dec-14-09 11:09 PM |
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Mandates without single payer is the stick without the carrot |
Armstead |
Dec-14-09 11:17 PM |
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well, you can cry if you want to |
Capn Sunshine |
Dec-14-09 11:41 PM |
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There is nothing much in this bill that helps the situation and plenty that makes it worse |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-14-09 11:22 PM |
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I just don't agree, Warren |
Capn Sunshine |
Dec-14-09 11:32 PM |
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annual caps: check; rate hikes for pre-existing conditions: check; |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-14-09 11:11 PM |
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No. |
Tom Rinaldo |
Dec-14-09 11:14 PM |
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No, I don't. |
slinkerwink |
Dec-14-09 11:46 PM |
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Yes! It's a good bill for the insurance corporations. Very good! |
Kablooie |
Dec-15-09 12:30 AM |
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Nope,. n/t |
Blue_In_AK |
Dec-15-09 12:32 AM |
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Nope. Only the sellouts buy that. |
LittleBlue |
Dec-15-09 12:40 AM |
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No. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Dec-15-09 12:49 AM |
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Of course it's still a good bill. |
Scarsdale Vibe |
Dec-15-09 01:09 AM |
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And those people will continue to die and be bankrupted |
eridani |
Dec-15-09 05:35 AM |
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Without a public option sucks really bad. |
taught_me_patience |
Dec-15-09 01:41 AM |
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"It's Still better than nothing" BULLCRAP.. It IS Nothing |
SoCalDemGrrl |
Dec-15-09 01:47 AM |
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NO, I don't! |
Raine |
Dec-15-09 03:22 AM |
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All the money they need for war, none for health care (unless you are an insurance company). |
Capt. America |
Dec-15-09 07:41 AM |
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No. It's a piece of shit. |
freddie mertz |
Dec-15-09 07:42 AM |
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No (nt) |
bigwillq |
Dec-15-09 07:59 AM |
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Fuck No...only the ones that walk in lockstep with the Party believe that |
Bullet1987 |
Dec-15-09 08:01 AM |
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Its a fucking Script. |
paparush |
Dec-15-09 08:05 AM |
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Without those and with mandates? |
tekisui |
Dec-15-09 08:19 AM |
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HELL NO! |
mochajava666 |
Dec-15-09 11:59 AM |
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No |
Clear Blue Sky |
Dec-15-09 12:58 PM |
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I once said, "before they're done, they will have you *begging* for the trigger" |
kenny blankenship |
Dec-15-09 03:14 PM |
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No. It actually does more harm than good! |
Milo_Bloom |
Dec-15-09 03:16 PM |
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I'm a staunch supporter but there is no way I can raionalize |
Fire1 |
Dec-15-09 03:47 PM |
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Only if you are in the health insurance business. n/t |
calico1 |
Dec-15-09 04:27 PM |
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It's better than no bill. |
backscatter712 |
Dec-15-09 04:34 PM |
#107 |
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No it isn't. And passage will open the door to social security cuts next year. |
Better Believe It |
Dec-15-09 04:41 PM |
#109 |
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