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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #16
17. What he's done is hand over ANY chance to make progress in future negotiations...
All they have to do is hold something else hostage - this path is crazy, unless he's actually in agreement with them on Bush policies.
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  -WHAT IF the president had spoken honestly to the people and asked for their help? polichick  Dec-12-10 09:49 AM   #0 
  - For me  Old Codger   Dec-12-10 09:55 AM   #1 
  - For me too, and three generations of my family. nt  polichick   Dec-12-10 10:00 AM   #2 
     - Not only gained respect, but united Americans to work together....  GoldenOldie   Dec-12-10 10:12 AM   #3 
        - You're right, it asks people to be active - as the prez himself said while campaigning...  polichick   Dec-12-10 10:21 AM   #6 
  - He'd still be dirt to some because he didn't do anything.  jaxx   Dec-12-10 10:12 AM   #4 
  - Yes. As if the MSM would give it an objective assessment  CakeGrrl   Dec-12-10 10:19 AM   #5 
     - An Oval Office statement allows the prez to speak directly to the people without spin. nt  polichick   Dec-12-10 10:22 AM   #7 
     - The President can speak....and people will spin what he says.  jaxx   Dec-12-10 10:26 AM   #10 
        - The most powerful thing he can do is speak directly to the people...  polichick   Dec-12-10 10:28 AM   #11 
        - Everytime he speaks the naysayers pounce.  jaxx   Dec-12-10 10:53 AM   #19 
           - So what if they pounce - Americans can respond to his words on their own...  polichick   Dec-12-10 11:01 AM   #23 
              - The media watches too.......and reports what they want.  jaxx   Dec-12-10 11:08 AM   #24 
                 - It's televised as he speaks - the people hear it directly...  polichick   Dec-12-10 11:09 AM   #25 
                    - yes and before and after every speech is the non-stop echo chamber of people throwing out  dave29   Dec-12-10 12:13 PM   #32 
        - Besides ...  Kweli4Real   Dec-12-10 11:11 AM   #27 
           - imo it would have made a big difference - and people would know exactly who's on their side...  polichick   Dec-12-10 11:19 AM   #28 
              - I think if you really look closely  dave29   Dec-12-10 12:21 PM   #33 
     - Yes. It would be spun as "the blame game" and "class warfare"  RufusTFirefly   Dec-13-10 09:52 AM   #49 
  - Everyone would have listened...  Davis_X_Machina   Dec-12-10 10:24 AM   #8 
  - You think his die-hard supporters here would have asked for the deal he cut? nt  polichick   Dec-12-10 10:25 AM   #9 
     - He doesn't have any, so it's irrelevant.  Davis_X_Machina   Dec-12-10 10:30 AM   #12 
        - Actually, it's not too late for him to do the right thing and engage the people. nt  polichick   Dec-12-10 10:31 AM   #13 
           - Trying to 'engage the people'...  Davis_X_Machina   Dec-12-10 10:35 AM   #14 
              - Caving to hostage-takers is dangerous as well as foolish - he's setting...  polichick   Dec-12-10 10:37 AM   #15 
                 - He's welcome to try..  Davis_X_Machina   Dec-12-10 10:39 AM   #16 
                    - What he's done is hand over ANY chance to make progress in future negotiations...  polichick   Dec-12-10 10:43 AM   #17 
                       - It's a reasonable compromise...  Davis_X_Machina   Dec-12-10 10:49 AM   #18 
                          - Republicans always need several votes in order to extend unemployment benefits...  polichick   Dec-12-10 10:55 AM   #20 
                             - Plan, please.  Davis_X_Machina   Dec-12-10 10:56 AM   #21 
                                - Read and think - I've spelled it out in easy English. nt  polichick   Dec-12-10 10:57 AM   #22 
                                   - Do you get 13 months of UI extension?  Davis_X_Machina   Dec-12-10 11:11 AM   #26 
                                      - Well Stated ...  Kweli4Real   Dec-12-10 11:22 AM   #29 
                                         - If the first two words out of someone's mouth aren't...  Davis_X_Machina   Dec-12-10 11:40 AM   #31 
  - The Senate would still fail to get 60 votes to get Obama's stated agenda through. All  jenmito   Dec-12-10 11:24 AM   #30 
  - he has spoken honestly. you just don't listen. you've made up your mind.  Aramchek   Dec-12-10 12:27 PM   #34 
  - When did he ask the people to contact their reps to fight the hostage-takers? NEVER. nt  polichick   Dec-12-10 12:40 PM   #35 
     - he asked us all to contact GOP Senators the other dayregarding DADT  Aramchek   Dec-12-10 12:44 PM   #36 
        - You ask BEFORE you cave to hostage-takers - obviously. nt  polichick   Dec-12-10 12:47 PM   #37 
           - how is your strategy to let all tax cuts expire not "hostage-taking"?  Aramchek   Dec-12-10 12:50 PM   #38 
              - That's not my strategy - read more carefully and think before posting. nt  polichick   Dec-12-10 01:19 PM   #41 
  - He did ask people to help  catgirl   Dec-12-10 12:52 PM   #39 
  - Problem is  niceypoo   Dec-12-10 01:15 PM   #40 
  - Not Stephanie Miller  JamesA1102   Dec-13-10 10:33 AM   #51 
  - He asked our people endorse the right wing narrative that he's accepted. If he had come to us...  ClassWarrior   Dec-13-10 09:49 AM   #47 
  - He can't have my help till  donheld   Dec-13-10 01:12 AM   #42 
  - He Asked Voters To Give Him A Democratic Congress To Work With  DemocratSinceBirth   Dec-13-10 05:01 AM   #43 
  - They were put off by his capitulating  niceypoo   Dec-13-10 09:38 AM   #44 
  - Same place we always are. The people that listen to FOX would not one of those things  Pisces   Dec-13-10 09:42 AM   #45 
  - You mean the same people that gave the GOP control of the House? nt  JamesA1102   Dec-13-10 09:48 AM   #46 
  - No, the other people. The independents who turned out for hope and change last time...  ClassWarrior   Dec-13-10 09:52 AM   #48 
     - So those people were going to call congress to have their taxes increased?  JamesA1102   Dec-13-10 10:31 AM   #50 
        - And his progressive base, who are ever the ONLY ones who volunteer to get independents to the polls.  ClassWarrior   Dec-13-10 10:33 AM   #52 
           - So the progressive are going to dial the phone for the independents?  JamesA1102   Dec-13-10 10:40 AM   #54 
           - They are not the ONLY ones who do that  treestar   Dec-13-10 10:40 AM   #55 
              - Yes, they are the ONLY ones who do that. That's why they're called "the base." They're...  ClassWarrior   Dec-13-10 10:46 AM   #56 
  - I don't think it would have worked out any different  The Backlash Cometh   Dec-13-10 10:36 AM   #53 
 

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