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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 06:39 PM
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34. He has dared to "dream". I doubt that he really believes that he
could get the votes necessary. But, if ones substitutes the concept that it might be possible, then it is well worth eight hours of persuasion. He is not, IMO, in "fantasy land". He is in cheerleader land and is doing a great job of it.

Thanks Senator for your efforts and your meaningful speech that in itself was worth the 8 hrs. The
transcript of your speech, as recorded in the Congressional Record will be a political science standard, studied for years in our Universities.
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  -Sen. Sanders is living in Fantasyland. jenmito  Dec-11-10 06:00 PM   #0 
  - I Respectfully Disagree (nt)  Dinger   Dec-11-10 06:01 PM   #1 
  - Show me where the votes are in the Senate. Please show me.  Ikonoklast   Dec-11-10 09:24 PM   #73 
     - Thank you for the reality check. Don't expect a response, though. n/t  jenmito   Dec-11-10 11:30 PM   #83 
  - Bernie (I) is more of a Democrat than Obama will EVER be  Skittles   Dec-11-10 06:02 PM   #2 
  - Hey I'm sure he is welcome to try rounding up votes on his own.  dkf   Dec-11-10 06:03 PM   #4 
  - it's not the first speech he has given  Skittles   Dec-11-10 06:05 PM   #7 
     - The amazing thing is he couldn't get more funds for his health clinic idea.  dkf   Dec-11-10 06:13 PM   #14 
  - Bernie ie a self-described socialist. n/t  jenmito   Dec-11-10 06:13 PM   #15 
  - STILL more of a Democrat than Obama  Skittles   Dec-11-10 06:29 PM   #32 
  - That's lovely. Let's see him rustle up those 60 votes. n/t  CakeGrrl   Dec-11-10 06:51 PM   #38 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-11-10 07:36 PM   #49 
     - WTF are you talking about?  CakeGrrl   Dec-11-10 08:05 PM   #59 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-11-10 08:08 PM   #60 
  - "WE THE PEOPLE" is a mantra of the teabaggers. So? He still won't get 60 votes. n/t  jenmito   Dec-11-10 07:08 PM   #44 
  - You're ceding "We the people" to the teabaggers?  Union Scribe   Dec-11-10 11:36 PM   #86 
  - No...  jenmito   Dec-12-10 02:28 PM   #100 
  - clue for you  Skittles   Dec-12-10 07:27 PM   #105 
  - Democrats are not socialists. And if you think they are, you should  Phx_Dem   Dec-12-10 11:04 AM   #91 
  - Right on  golfguru   Dec-12-10 07:46 PM   #106 
  - No, he's an socialist and a registered Independent. And I'm very happy that Obama is  Phx_Dem   Dec-12-10 11:03 AM   #90 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-12-10 11:32 AM   #93 
  - I'd rather support a crazy man who tries than one who doesn't.  Lucinda   Dec-11-10 06:02 PM   #3 
  - Say it again..  4dsc   Dec-11-10 07:22 PM   #46 
  - Bernie Sanders is much more articulate and realistic than what your post gives him credit for. nt  mtnsnake   Dec-11-10 06:04 PM   #5 
  - I stand by Bernie  Bryn   Dec-11-10 06:04 PM   #6 
  - have you been living a cave the past few day?  sasha031   Dec-11-10 06:06 PM   #8 
  - there are several other Senators that are standing with Bernie  sasha031   Dec-11-10 06:17 PM   #18 
  - No. I am well aware of Sanders' non-filibuster.  jenmito   Dec-11-10 06:18 PM   #20 
     - so he should have gone to the same Parties our commander in chief  Donnachaidh   Dec-11-10 07:37 PM   #50 
        - Obama is the President. He has MANY things to do...  jenmito   Dec-11-10 07:57 PM   #56 
  - The intended attack dog, David Gergen, failed miserably. Bernie showed him up  NorthCarolina   Dec-11-10 06:08 PM   #9 
  - Gergen? Is that old vampire still alive?  Hardrada   Dec-11-10 06:12 PM   #13 
  - Apparently they pulled him out to attempt to shill for the DLC position.  NorthCarolina   Dec-11-10 06:19 PM   #22 
     - DLC???? REALLY?  Capn Sunshine   Dec-11-10 09:29 PM   #74 
  - What makes you think Blitzer  polmaven   Dec-11-10 08:15 PM   #63 
  - Cult status, fundraising effort for Sanders  sasha031   Dec-11-10 06:09 PM   #10 
  - Going with Bernie!  KT2000   Dec-11-10 06:10 PM   #11 
  - I dunno about that. I lisened to most of his speach yeterday & he made  napi21   Dec-11-10 06:11 PM   #12 
  - Well he has 4 Dems to convince first then Lieberman then a couple of Republicans.  dkf   Dec-11-10 06:15 PM   #17 
  - I bet he knows far more what he's talking about than you do.  John Q. Citizen   Dec-11-10 06:14 PM   #16 
  - If he gets 60 votes,  jenmito   Dec-11-10 06:20 PM   #24 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-11-10 06:27 PM   #29 
     - He got a lot more than 60 votes so you better start chewing.  John Q. Citizen   Dec-11-10 06:33 PM   # 
        - So when's the vote happening?  jenmito   Dec-11-10 06:44 PM   #35 
        - It already happened He was reelected in a landslide, and then there's the  John Q. Citizen   Dec-11-10 07:01 PM   #43 
           - As you know, I mean 60 votes in the Senate. n/t  jenmito   Dec-11-10 07:12 PM   #45 
              - he doesn't need 60 senate votes to stop this. It can be stopped in the house.  John Q. Citizen   Dec-11-10 07:31 PM   #47 
                 - His claim was the  polmaven   Dec-11-10 08:19 PM   #66 
                    - His claim was if the Repos tried to stand firm, the public would demand  John Q. Citizen   Dec-11-10 08:29 PM   #68 
                       - Based on 800 phone calls  polmaven   Dec-11-10 08:46 PM   #70 
                       - His claim was that he could get 60 votes, which would be including "a handful of Republicans."  jenmito   Dec-11-10 11:10 PM   #79 
        - We're talking Senate votes, not votes at the Ben and Jerry's in Burlington... n/t  zulchzulu   Dec-11-10 11:11 PM   #80 
        - So how is Fantasyland?  catgirl   Dec-12-10 04:52 PM   #103 
  - Not sure the Senate Dems even TRIED to get 60 votes.  AllyCat   Dec-11-10 06:18 PM   #19 
  - The Senate failed to pass two such plans last Saturday.  ProSense   Dec-11-10 06:18 PM   #21 
  - I know...  jenmito   Dec-11-10 06:26 PM   #28 
  - And what would it hurt to try?  Laelth   Dec-11-10 06:20 PM   #23 
  - Amen  sasha031   Dec-11-10 06:22 PM   #25 
  - It WOULDN'T hurt if they didn't care about passing the DADT repeal, etc. n/t  jenmito   Dec-11-10 06:28 PM   #30 
  - Well said. And I agree. nt  gateley   Dec-11-10 06:52 PM   #39 
  - Excellent.\nt  Mass   Dec-11-10 07:52 PM   #54 
  - They ALREADY TRIED!  polmaven   Dec-11-10 08:23 PM   #67 
  - A little too late don't ya think?  catgirl   Dec-12-10 04:59 PM   #104 
  - Bernie would be on my top 5 list of favorite U.S. Senators  nevergiveup   Dec-11-10 06:25 PM   #26 
  - What I care about is that Bernie Sanders ALWAYS stands for  democrank   Dec-11-10 06:25 PM   #27 
  - The concept of having a black president was Fantasyland too.  avaistheone1   Dec-11-10 06:28 PM   #31 
  - He ran and people voted and he won. The Senators spoke and gave speeches on not voting  jenmito   Dec-11-10 06:33 PM   #33 
     - But (and I admit I'm looking for the glass half full) that was before  gateley   Dec-11-10 06:54 PM   #41 
  - He has dared to "dream". I doubt that he really believes that he  ladjf   Dec-11-10 06:39 PM   #34 
  - Well, he has the luxury to give 8 hour speeches. Obama is the President and has a lot of things  jenmito   Dec-11-10 06:50 PM   #37 
     - yeah -- that party he blew out of the presser was so very much more important to do  Donnachaidh   Dec-11-10 07:39 PM   #51 
     - Personally, I haven't seen very much success from whatever he  ladjf   Dec-11-10 07:44 PM   #52 
     - Then you're not looking. He has accomplished many landmark achievements  jenmito   Dec-11-10 07:59 PM   #57 
        - Yes, I've been "looking". I had high hopes for Obama. But, as  ladjf   Dec-11-10 08:09 PM   #61 
     - Yeah, like Co-President Clinton to speak for him.  golddigger   Dec-11-10 08:16 PM   #64 
     - That was a brilliant move. If Bill Clinton endorses OBAMA'S tax deal, that shows  jenmito   Dec-11-10 11:22 PM   #81 
     - do you think obama enjoyed those holiday parties?  frylock   Dec-11-10 08:57 PM   #71 
        - I'm sure he did. If you're comparing Obama's schedule to Bush's, you're not  jenmito   Dec-11-10 11:28 PM   #82 
  - We'll see. I wouldn't be surprised either way - I've never seen so  gateley   Dec-11-10 06:49 PM   #36 
  - If the Dems. who voted no even on the bill raising the cut-off on the tax cuts to $1 million  jenmito   Dec-11-10 06:56 PM   #42 
     - I pray he can!  Hardrada   Dec-11-10 08:01 PM   #58 
     - I'm thinking maybe increased input from constituents, but I think conventional  gateley   Dec-11-10 11:56 PM   #88 
  - Keep up the fight, Sen. Sanders!  tekisui   Dec-11-10 06:52 PM   #40 
  - +10000000  polichick   Dec-11-10 08:29 PM   #69 
  - Fighting 'til the bitter end  Rosa Luxemburg   Dec-11-10 07:35 PM   #48 
  - I have to agree  Dokkie   Dec-11-10 07:46 PM   #53 
  - Got to love how the MSM is so true when you agree and so sold to the GOP when you disagree  Mass   Dec-11-10 07:54 PM   #55 
  - The Senate votes aren't a fiction of the MSM.  CakeGrrl   Dec-11-10 08:11 PM   #62 
     - Some people speak about poverty. Generally, those are those who oppose the deal.  Mass   Dec-11-10 08:18 PM   #65 
  - Sanders speech may have changed the political landscape...  philly_bob   Dec-11-10 09:18 PM   #72 
  - You are not dreaming. It is a big deal.  harun   Dec-12-10 11:19 AM   #92 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-11-10 10:18 PM   #75 
  - Wrong.  budkin   Dec-11-10 10:20 PM   #76 
  - Thanks for the intelligent response.  jenmito   Dec-11-10 11:32 PM   #84 
  - Ben Nelson would never vote for that shit  Thrill   Dec-11-10 10:41 PM   #77 
  - Not only would Ben Nelson vote for it,  jenmito   Dec-11-10 11:34 PM   #85 
  - I love Bernie, but where has he been in the last couple years?  zulchzulu   Dec-11-10 11:09 PM   #78 
  - I don't think he has the votes.  bigwillq   Dec-11-10 11:43 PM   #87 
  - He certainly is consider the Senate voted NO on middle-class  Phx_Dem   Dec-12-10 11:02 AM   #89 
  - And anyone who agrees with him is in fantasyland too. He and they should no better.  RBInMaine   Dec-12-10 11:33 AM   #94 
  - So why the hell didn't he then?  catgirl   Dec-12-10 01:04 PM   #95 
  - Very good question...  jenmito   Dec-12-10 01:39 PM   #96 
  - I was confused as to what significance he thought the "600 phone calls" were to getting Senate votes  apocalypsehow   Dec-12-10 02:12 PM   #97 
  - Thank you!  jenmito   Dec-12-10 02:23 PM   #99 
  - I guarantee the 600 calls weren't all from Vermont  catgirl   Dec-12-10 04:48 PM   #102 
  - Because Bernie's done such a good job getting 60+ Senate votes before  thelordofhell   Dec-12-10 02:16 PM   #98 
     - Exactly...  jenmito   Dec-12-10 02:37 PM   #101 
 

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