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17. I've been bitching at the President
since he appointed Summers and Geithner, but I'm starting to feel really uncomfortable with the hate talk that's going around right now, all of which seems to be coming from us white guys. The fact is, we can't elect a Democratic president without the strong support of black voters. And right now, the black community have got to be hearing this talk, some of which is mean as hell, and thinking what the fuck. I will make a prediction: if Mr. Obama is primaried successfully, the nomination will be worthless, because black voters will turn their backs on the Democrats.
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  -Many of us passionate Obama supporters share the frustrations of his critics on the left but. . . wndycty  Dec-04-10 10:20 AM   #0 
  - Beautifully said.  young but wise   Dec-04-10 10:25 AM   #1 
  - honestly the conspiricy theories here have ruined the place. it;s all becoming a dungeon.  bettyellen   Dec-04-10 10:26 AM   #2 
  - There's no conspiracy...  ProudDad   Dec-04-10 12:04 PM   #30 
     - I've been saying the same thing (less articulately) for years eom.  JAbuchan08   Dec-05-10 09:40 AM   #130 
  - Many of us are disappointed but prefer Obama to giving up and electing the GOP  stray cat   Dec-04-10 10:26 AM   #3 
  - I guess it depends on your definition of "giving up."  woo me with science   Dec-05-10 12:18 AM   #114 
  - "Fall in line?"  derby378   Dec-04-10 10:27 AM   #4 
  - Well considering I was talking about Ben Nelson, Joe Lieberman, Blanche Lincoln, Mark Pryor. . .  wndycty   Dec-04-10 10:29 AM   #6 
  - Duly noted  derby378   Dec-04-10 10:31 AM   #8 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-04-10 11:05 AM   #16 
  - I guess you would rather fall on your face. Enjoy!  Aramchek   Dec-04-10 12:14 PM   #37 
  - "Intelligent dissent is the highest form of patriotism"  MadMaddie   Dec-04-10 10:28 PM   #105 
     - Yup we are not getting intelligent dissent, we are getting over the top dramatic knee jerk reactions  wndycty   Dec-04-10 10:34 PM   #106 
     - If Obama is able to serve the needs of America, he's got my support  derby378   Dec-05-10 12:53 PM   #135 
  - Exactly. The word "progressive" comes from "progress", not...  Schema Thing   Dec-04-10 10:28 AM   #5 
  - The problem is that no progress is being made .............  Exilednight   Dec-04-10 08:47 PM   #100 
  - Sometimes it seems that way.  RandomThoughts   Dec-04-10 10:29 AM   #7 
  - Actually  BeFree   Dec-04-10 10:37 AM   #9 
  - I'm not worried about Obama's feelings, I'm worried about the movement. . .  wndycty   Dec-04-10 10:40 AM   #10 
     - I've been bitching at the President  pscot   Dec-04-10 11:16 AM   #17 
     - Exactly, I'm African American who would support whomever is nominated however. . .  wndycty   Dec-04-10 11:18 AM   #18 
     - You made another important statement:  wndycty   Dec-04-10 11:20 AM   #20 
     - And you have examples of this "hate talk" right? (n/t)  ProudDad   Dec-04-10 12:13 PM   #34 
     - Open your eyes  pscot   Dec-04-10 02:39 PM   #79 
        - Spot on with the point about character assassination. . .  wndycty   Dec-04-10 06:16 PM   #88 
        - It really is simple  ampad   Dec-04-10 08:02 PM   #97 
        - Actually, it seems to me  lillypaddle   Dec-05-10 05:34 AM   #120 
        - I don't read that kind of crap  ProudDad   Dec-05-10 01:12 PM   #137 
        - I guess I don't visit "those threads"  ProudDad   Dec-05-10 01:10 PM   #136 
     - I have seen the hate talk too, and the utterly unrealistic expectations and I'm over it too.  bettyellen   Dec-04-10 02:30 PM   #78 
     - Yes the AA community is taking notice  ampad   Dec-04-10 07:45 PM   #95 
     - I'm Black & the Democrats (including Obama) are dead to me  johnlucas   Dec-04-10 09:31 PM   #103 
     - JohnLucas I am Black too...  MadMaddie   Dec-04-10 10:54 PM   #110 
     - I'm not cutting him any more excuses  johnlucas   Dec-05-10 12:27 AM   #115 
     - One more thing: My history with The Vote  johnlucas   Dec-05-10 01:14 AM   #116 
     - I would think that we Black folk, just like anybody else don't agree on everything. . .  wndycty   Dec-05-10 11:21 AM   #131 
     - I never said that how one views Obama is a qualifier of Blackness  johnlucas   Dec-05-10 09:46 PM   #149 
     - If elections could change anything, they'd make them illegal...  ProudDad   Dec-05-10 01:16 PM   #138 
        - ProudDad, I am proud of YOU  johnlucas   Dec-05-10 10:15 PM   #150 
     - The Black community is divided. Get out more. Many of us are very displeased. n/t  Catherina   Dec-05-10 12:01 AM   #113 
     - Hate talk? I have heard a lot of justified criticism, no hate talk.  olegramps   Dec-05-10 08:48 AM   #125 
     - I don't understand your logic. Progressive criticism of Obama has nothing to do with his race.  totodeinhere   Dec-05-10 03:40 PM   #148 
     - If by "movement"  ProudDad   Dec-04-10 12:11 PM   #32 
     - "you mean pinning one's hopes on the Democrats, that's delusional." this the DEMOCRATICUNDERGROUND  wndycty   Dec-04-10 12:14 PM   #36 
     - It doesn't upset me  ProudDad   Dec-04-10 12:17 PM   #41 
        - you've just stated clearly you have no respect for the democratic party or voters.  dionysus   Dec-04-10 01:16 PM   #71 
        - Plus 1,000,000  wndycty   Dec-04-10 06:21 PM   #89 
        - Speak the Inconvenient Truths to those capable of listening... (n/t)  ProudDad   Dec-05-10 01:23 PM   #139 
        - Stockholm Syndrome is right  johnlucas   Dec-05-10 04:35 AM   #119 
     - K&R Post #32 by ProudDad.  bvar22   Dec-04-10 01:27 PM   #75 
     - Beautiful, beautiful!  ProudDad   Dec-05-10 01:24 PM   #140 
     - Take your own advice and get off your computer  frazzled   Dec-05-10 09:05 AM   #126 
     - This board is a hotbed of logic errors...  ProudDad   Dec-05-10 01:26 PM   #141 
     - You can try to find common ground with racist teabaggers.  Ikonoklast   Dec-06-10 03:56 PM   #154 
     - Join the teabaggers? Are you insane?  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-06-10 05:33 PM   #158 
     - They don't 'have' to realize that  MH1   Dec-05-10 08:28 AM   #124 
     - I respectfully suggest however...  nckjm   Dec-05-10 09:25 AM   #128 
  - He also has to fight those Democrats on the right who might as well be Republicans on fiscal issues.  flpoljunkie   Dec-04-10 10:40 AM   #11 
  - Indeed.  theaocp   Dec-04-10 10:47 AM   #13 
     - Lincoln did vote today for both the Baucus and Schumer amendments re expiring tax cuts.  flpoljunkie   Dec-04-10 12:10 PM   #31 
     - Well, he supported Lincoln against the Progressive who was running against her  ProudDad   Dec-04-10 12:14 PM   #35 
        - Halter was a progressive?  Uzybone   Dec-04-10 12:22 PM   #44 
        - Comparatively  ProudDad   Dec-04-10 12:38 PM   #49 
        - That he's smart?  BklnDem75   Dec-06-10 04:22 PM   #155 
  - The President embraces the corporations and  theaocp   Dec-04-10 10:44 AM   #12 
  - It doesn't hurt my feelings but what it does it makes me not want to have anything to do with you. .  wndycty   Dec-04-10 10:51 AM   #14 
     - Then you won't want to have anything to do with me either.  Peregrine Took   Dec-04-10 11:00 AM   #15 
     - And how is "supporting" someone who has completely BLOCKED  ProudDad   Dec-04-10 12:16 PM   #40 
        - Irrelevant. We're talking about Obama  Recursion   Dec-04-10 12:59 PM   #63 
           - Sigh  donheld   Dec-04-10 10:01 PM   #104 
  - So you share our frustrations, but we're ignorant haters. Okay.  Union Scribe   Dec-04-10 11:20 AM   #19 
  - Take it how you wish. The reality is the critics on the left are not extending olive branches. . .  wndycty   Dec-04-10 11:21 AM   #21 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-04-10 11:30 AM   #22 
        - I'm not pretending anything. . .I support this president, I am a progressive and . . .  wndycty   Dec-04-10 11:32 AM   #23 
        - you may have seen an "eyeful" but your eyeful is not necessarily  Bluerthanblue   Dec-04-10 05:49 PM   #86 
           - The President has squandered my respect  Union Scribe   Dec-04-10 06:14 PM   #87 
              - the only issue that I intended to imply that might change in time is  Bluerthanblue   Dec-04-10 07:20 PM   #90 
                 - I predict DADT will be repealed before the end of the year  wndycty   Dec-04-10 07:25 PM   #92 
                    - I hope it is, but if not, I fully believe it will be before the next  Bluerthanblue   Dec-04-10 07:35 PM   #94 
  - I'm not interested in your motivations  ibegurpard   Dec-04-10 11:34 AM   #24 
  - What policy do I support that you do not agree with?  wndycty   Dec-04-10 11:37 AM   #25 
  - +1 n/t  Laelth   Dec-04-10 11:39 AM   #26 
  - That's dumb  pscot   Dec-04-10 11:59 AM   #27 
     - Exactly. . .  wndycty   Dec-04-10 12:03 PM   #28 
        - I think the word your looking for is DEMOCRATIC party, not Democrat,  dgibby   Dec-04-10 12:15 PM   #38 
        - You are right, but lets not attribute every typo to someone being a wing nut. . .  wndycty   Dec-04-10 12:20 PM   #43 
           - Did I say that?  dgibby   Dec-04-10 12:30 PM   #46 
        - If you'll look closely  ProudDad   Dec-04-10 12:22 PM   #45 
  - Face facts...  ProudDad   Dec-04-10 12:03 PM   #29 
  - So you can imagine that with an attitude like that I don't see you as an ally or someone I could...  wndycty   Dec-04-10 12:12 PM   #33 
  - If the ONLY way you can see to promote a Progressive agenda  ProudDad   Dec-04-10 12:31 PM   #47 
     - Good so I know you aren't on the team for 2012. . .no need to waste my time on you  wndycty   Dec-04-10 12:32 PM   #48 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-04-10 12:40 PM   #50 
           - Why do you distinguish between "progressive" and "corporatist"? (nt)  Recursion   Dec-04-10 12:51 PM   #53 
           - Why can't you see the difference? (n/t)  ProudDad   Dec-04-10 12:52 PM   #56 
              - Because the great progressives I think of like FDR were corporatists too  Recursion   Dec-04-10 12:53 PM   #57 
           - DU is a board for Democrats. Dems that are usually mostly liberal.  Jennicut   Dec-04-10 08:33 PM   #98 
              - DU is (or was <shrug>)  ProudDad   Dec-05-10 01:30 PM   #143 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-04-10 12:16 PM   #39 
  - You're welcome... (n/t)  ProudDad   Dec-04-10 12:50 PM   #51 
  - Obama describes himself as a New Democrat.  dgibby   Dec-04-10 12:19 PM   #42 
     - Indeed...  ProudDad   Dec-04-10 12:51 PM   #52 
     - Yup, just like FDR  Recursion   Dec-04-10 12:52 PM   #55 
        - FDR was NOT Progressive...  ProudDad   Dec-04-10 12:55 PM   #58 
     - DLC is different from the Blue Dogs  Recursion   Dec-04-10 12:52 PM   #54 
     - Libertarian twaddle... (n/t)  ProudDad   Dec-04-10 12:56 PM   #59 
        - Wait. Neither the blue dogs nor the DLC are remotely libertarian  Recursion   Dec-04-10 12:56 PM   #60 
           - Ok, Smoke Screen  ProudDad   Dec-04-10 01:00 PM   #64 
              - No. It's a simple factual point that I'm right about  Recursion   Dec-04-10 01:02 PM   #66 
                 - And he's called himself both  Celtic Raven   Dec-05-10 12:25 PM   #133 
     - Still waiting for that quote  BklnDem75   Dec-06-10 04:36 PM   #157 
  - Disagreeing with Prez policies & attempting to present alternatives is not 'attacking'  Mimosa   Dec-04-10 12:57 PM   #61 
  - No, but saying he's going to be a one-termer is  Recursion   Dec-04-10 12:58 PM   #62 
     - Truth can hurt, can't it? (n/t)  ProudDad   Dec-05-10 01:31 PM   #144 
  - A noble post  BeyondGeography   Dec-04-10 01:02 PM   #65 
  - I've become a vigorous critic, but never call him corporatist, traitor, etc.  CreekDog   Dec-04-10 01:02 PM   #67 
  - And because you don't call names you are more effective because I'm willing  wndycty   Dec-04-10 01:14 PM   #70 
  - Centrist appeasers are a dime a dozen.  VMI Dem   Dec-04-10 01:03 PM   #68 
  - So are the serial haters.  great white snark   Dec-04-10 01:19 PM   #73 
  - You know where I stand, wndycty.  Aristus   Dec-04-10 01:11 PM   #69 
  - Recommended  tallahasseedem   Dec-04-10 01:18 PM   #72 
  - Kick and Rec.  great white snark   Dec-04-10 01:21 PM   #74 
  - see here's the problem  saorsa   Dec-04-10 02:18 PM   #76 
  - excellent response...needs some formatting changes though  ibegurpard   Dec-04-10 02:23 PM   #77 
  - Real talk from saorsa!  johnlucas   Dec-05-10 07:20 AM   #121 
  - Isn't it interesting  ProudDad   Dec-05-10 01:34 PM   #145 
  - "nobody EVER beat the Right Wing by cuddling it to death"  Union Scribe   Dec-05-10 09:29 AM   #129 
  - Excellent post!  Celtic Raven   Dec-05-10 12:32 PM   #134 
  - Eloquent And Absolutely Dead-On. Thank You, Saorsa.  Paladin   Dec-05-10 01:29 PM   #142 
  - Go run and OP that  TheKentuckian   Dec-05-10 01:56 PM   #147 
  - how often do we have to acknowledge his accomplishments before criticism is valid?  yurbud   Dec-04-10 02:41 PM   #80 
  - Good point, but you're wrong when you assert that the attacks are only from the left.  Liberal_Stalwart71   Dec-04-10 02:44 PM   #81 
  - I appreciate your point  wndycty   Dec-04-10 03:12 PM   #82 
     - I meant to type that liberals *aren't* his biggest problem. Independents and moderates are.  Liberal_Stalwart71   Dec-04-10 03:26 PM   #84 
  - AGREE, what about our bully pulpit. why is it on one mans shoulders to get the message. it??  DemocraticPilgrim   Dec-04-10 03:14 PM   #83 
  - People who rationally criticize his policies and strategy are also routinely lambasted here  ruggerson   Dec-04-10 03:41 PM   #85 
  - Very well said Windy.  Pisces   Dec-04-10 07:24 PM   #91 
  - K and R.  political_Dem   Dec-04-10 07:33 PM   #93 
  - Well if I wouldn't accept a stance from the repukes  Raine   Dec-04-10 08:02 PM   #96 
  - So what? Do you want a gold star?  LittleBlue   Dec-04-10 08:41 PM   #99 
  - I'm with you ... and if you compare it to tradiitonal warfare ...  JoePhilly   Dec-04-10 08:50 PM   #101 
  - Plus 1,000,000  wndycty   Dec-04-10 09:25 PM   #102 
  - I think a lot of posters here are beyond reasonable discourse  CakeGrrl   Dec-04-10 10:44 PM   #107 
  - I also see a lot of reasonable criticism here  ruggerson   Dec-04-10 11:03 PM   #111 
     - There is reasonable criticism, yours being a case in point; however, it  CakeGrrl   Dec-04-10 11:10 PM   #112 
     - Wrong! A co-opting Democrat is NOT better than Republican  johnlucas   Dec-05-10 07:43 AM   #122 
        - I prefer a partisan ideologue myself  ruggerson   Dec-05-10 11:46 AM   #132 
  - Thank you. K&R  Lisa0825   Dec-04-10 10:49 PM   #108 
  - I hear you, wndycty...  kentuck   Dec-04-10 10:52 PM   #109 
  - The surest way for Obama . . .  Steve_I_Am   Dec-05-10 01:47 AM   #117 
  - The President NEEDS to stand and fight for the middle-class (and the poor).n/t  Mimosa   Dec-06-10 02:02 PM   #152 
  - it seems more like Obama and his circle are attacking the Left, not the other  StarsInHerHair   Dec-05-10 02:41 AM   #118 
  - KNR  Itchinjim   Dec-05-10 07:58 AM   #123 
  - All I hear is the desire for substantive change and frustration because of gridlock.  olegramps   Dec-05-10 09:17 AM   #127 
  - Here's your major problem.  ProudDad   Dec-05-10 01:46 PM   #146 
  - I try to not be disagreeable when disagreeing. Namecalling is unhelpful.  Mimosa   Dec-06-10 02:01 PM   #151 
  - Damn that rec button  Sheepshank   Dec-06-10 02:07 PM   #153 
  - You are absolutely correct. And I am very close to outright opposing an Obama reelection.  ieoeja   Dec-06-10 04:25 PM   #156 
 

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