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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 10:22 PM
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61. Yes, I get it, Geithner gave a nice little presentation in front of the Financial Services Committee
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 10:43 PM by girl gone mad
However, behind closed doors, Geithner and Frank crafted an amendment to weaken the reform, as reported by Reuters.

At a hearing before the House Financial Services Committee, Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner announced that the administration had dropped one provision in its plan for a consumer financial protection agency — a requirement for banks and other financial services companies to offer “plain vanilla” products, like 30-year fixed mortgages and low-interest, low-fee credit cards.

There’s no good reason for this capitulation, except for the financial lobby has so effectively captured Congress that no reform would be able to get through with such a common-sense provision in place. This has nothing to do with the government “approving and disapproving a wide array of financial products”, it just says that anybody who wants to call themselves a bank should provide simple, basic banking products which aren’t prone to hidden fees and lucrative opacity. I fear that by the time Congress is done, the Consumer Financial Protection Agency won’t be able to protect consumers at all — and that’s assuming it’ll even exist.


As I've tried to explain to you numerous times, all the press releases and flowery speeches in the world cannot change the facts of this reform, and the facts are that it is full of loopholes and amendments that will severely limit its impact.

DeLong is wrong. The plain fact is that Geithner did interfere to weaken the bill.

It's even right there in the very article that you posted:

The debate over the Administration’s proposed new agency to protect consumers from predatory lending continues to heat up.

Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass) who is working on the bill that would create the agency in his role as the head of the House Financial Services Committee, has sent a memo to other Democrats on his committee proposing changes that would weaken the agency somewhat from what the Administration proposed originally.

Among the changes, he would drop the requirement that all financial services providers offer a simple, “plain-vanilla” product offering in whatever category they operate in; for mortgage brokers, for example, that means anyone offering a mortgage would be required to have a simple 30 year fixed mortgage in their product line up.

He would also drop language requiring providers to adhere to a “reasonableness” standard in offering products; in other words, financial institutions would have been required to asses whether there products were clearly understandable to consumers. That language was seen as too vague and would leave providers open to legal challenges.

The Administration is willing to go along. In an appearance Sept. 23 before Frank’s committee, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner acknowledged some of the criticism of the Administration’s proposals and called Frank’s proposed changes, “a pragmatic helpful way to make sure you have the choice for protection.”

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  -Brad DeLong: Ten Things on Which Matt Taibbi Really Does Not Know What He Is Talking About ProSense  Dec-13-09 02:22 PM   #0 
  - I like Taibbi and there's usually some truth to what he says, but  gateley   Dec-13-09 02:29 PM   #1 
  - what rove says usually has some truth as well  mkultra   Dec-13-09 07:40 PM   #49 
  - Oh the internal pain and strife you must be going through  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-13-09 02:31 PM   #2 
  - "pain and strife"? I consider myself  ProSense   Dec-13-09 02:33 PM   #6 
  - Out of a 5 page article  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-13-09 02:35 PM   #9 
     - Pathetic excuse for an error-riddled piece.  ProSense   Dec-13-09 02:39 PM   #17 
     - Other than the Rubin mistake  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-13-09 02:43 PM   #21 
        - Step out of denial and read the OP again. n/t  ProSense   Dec-13-09 02:44 PM   #23 
           - I read something from a source I dont find credible  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-13-09 02:45 PM   #24 
     - Brad DeLong is a respected academic, Keynesian economist.  Zynx   Dec-13-09 05:11 PM   #36 
        - he's a neo-liberal, free trade advocate, admirer of Milton Friedman  amborin   Dec-13-09 09:30 PM   #59 
           - It's not like he had an agenda or anything  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-14-09 09:42 AM   #67 
  - No shit, he must have hit a huge nerve bundle.  spoony   Dec-13-09 05:34 PM   #39 
  - class, this post is a textbook case of projection....  dionysus   Dec-14-09 08:50 AM   #65 
     - as if on cue... n/t  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-14-09 09:41 AM   #66 
  - 'It's not all the president's fault,' Suze Orman says  tabatha   Dec-13-09 02:31 PM   #3 
  - Oh, but Obama is a corporatist meanie!  grytpype   Dec-13-09 02:31 PM   #4 
  - And Obama is a powerful dictator  tabatha   Dec-13-09 02:37 PM   #13 
     - Basically Summers was in the position to do exactly that  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-13-09 02:56 PM   #28 
  - I don't know why people take that man seriously. He's just a journalist legacy kid --  smalll   Dec-13-09 02:31 PM   #5 
  - Haha Keep Pope Alive!  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-13-09 02:36 PM   #11 
  - You forgot one thing on his resume  frazzled   Dec-13-09 04:37 PM   #29 
     - Yup and he defend Slobodan Milošević  OKNancy   Dec-14-09 06:00 AM   #64 
  - google is friendly  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-13-09 02:34 PM   #7 
  - Google isn't Taibbi's friend or he would have used it.  ProSense   Dec-13-09 02:35 PM   #10 
  - You are using an article by Larry Summers former employee  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-13-09 02:38 PM   #14 
     - Who cares? You've been slapped in the face with facts and  ProSense   Dec-13-09 02:43 PM   #20 
        - I refuse to take that article as anything but a noble defense of DeLong's former boss  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-13-09 02:44 PM   #22 
        - "I am somewhat surprised you dont either." What?  ProSense   Dec-13-09 02:48 PM   #26 
        - denial  mkultra   Dec-13-09 07:43 PM   #52 
        - We were supposed to have been "slapped" by the American Prospect guy  mcablue   Dec-13-09 02:48 PM   #27 
  - as far as im concerned, this gives him credibility  mkultra   Dec-13-09 07:42 PM   #51 
  - Article written by a former Larry Summers' employee  mcablue   Dec-13-09 02:34 PM   #8 
  - So you're rebutting the facts with the fact that he worked in the Clinton administration?  ProSense   Dec-13-09 02:37 PM   #12 
  - You are getting desperate n/t  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-13-09 02:38 PM   #15 
  - LOL! Project much?  ProSense   Dec-13-09 02:40 PM   #18 
     - LOL! No shit... n/t  NYC_SKP   Dec-13-09 05:32 PM   #38 
  - Taibbi has admitted that he made that little error, which Drum saw as insignificant  mcablue   Dec-13-09 02:39 PM   #16 
  - And it's not because he worked during the Clinton administration. It's because he worked for Summers  mcablue   Dec-13-09 02:41 PM   #19 
  - There is no reasoning with the unreasonable  spiritual_gunfighter   Dec-13-09 02:47 PM   #25 
  - Hey, ProSense, your guy DeLong says it's a fact that the new financial reform bill is weak.  girl gone mad   Dec-13-09 05:03 PM   #32 
     - "Are you going to take his word for it?" Are you?  ProSense   Dec-13-09 05:15 PM   #37 
        - You didn't answer my question.  girl gone mad   Dec-13-09 07:12 PM   #42 
        - "I don't have to take Bradford's word for anything. I analyzed it myself. "  ProSense   Dec-13-09 07:17 PM   #43 
           - So, you think DeLong is wrong when he says the reform is weak? n/t  girl gone mad   Dec-13-09 07:36 PM   #48 
        - The American story is based on genocide ...  GeorgeGist   Dec-14-09 11:35 AM   #69 
  - Brad DeLong is a liberal academic economist with credentials that would crush  Zynx   Dec-13-09 05:05 PM   #33 
  - He's a free-trade neo-liberal Friedmanite former Larry Summers employee.  girl gone mad   Dec-13-09 07:24 PM   #46 
  - vs an article written by a known douche  mkultra   Dec-13-09 07:44 PM   #53 
  - "Straining at gnats  GreenArrow   Dec-13-09 04:40 PM   #30 
  - aaahh... neo-liberal Friedmanite Bradford Delong comes out swinging..  girl gone mad   Dec-13-09 04:59 PM   #31 
  - Which of these  ProSense   Dec-13-09 05:06 PM   #34 
  - Friedmanite? I would say that DeLong is firmly a Keynesian.  Zynx   Dec-13-09 05:09 PM   #35 
     - DeLong is very definitely a Friedman disciple.  girl gone mad   Dec-13-09 07:07 PM   #41 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-13-09 06:05 PM   #40 
  - Brad is a Neo-Liberal econ, crony of Summers, loves NAFTA and free trade; wrong on so many issues!  amborin   Dec-13-09 07:19 PM   #44 
  - Are the facts in the OP wrong? n/t  ProSense   Dec-13-09 07:23 PM   #45 
     - Yes, DeLong is wrong.  girl gone mad   Dec-13-09 07:34 PM   #47 
        - How on earth does this prove DeLong is wrong?  ProSense   Dec-13-09 07:41 PM   #50 
           - I'm afraid that by appearances, you are being willfully ignorant.  girl gone mad   Dec-13-09 08:39 PM   #56 
              - No you have the facts wrong  ProSense   Dec-13-09 08:51 PM   #57 
                 - Yes, I get it, Geithner gave a nice little presentation in front of the Financial Services Committee  girl gone mad   Dec-13-09 10:22 PM   #61 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-13-09 08:01 PM   #54 
  - "It almost smacks of uber-partisanship at the expense of truth." You can't be serious.  ProSense   Dec-13-09 08:13 PM   #55 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-13-09 09:20 PM   #58 
  - Did Matt Taibbi ever write about Wall Street prior to 2008?  camera obscura   Dec-13-09 10:10 PM   #60 
  - Come on. Is it really too hard for you to do a little research?  girl gone mad   Dec-13-09 10:36 PM   #63 
     - I'm not talking about economics in general  camera obscura   Dec-14-09 03:10 PM   #70 
  - Good thing the POTUS never fucked up any of his facts  chill_wind   Dec-13-09 10:28 PM   #62 
  - Is the title of the article intentionally mangled for some reason I am not aware of? nt.  Hosnon   Dec-14-09 10:11 AM   #68 
  - This kind of thing is rampant, especially online.  janx   Dec-14-09 07:18 PM   #72 
  - Kick  Cha   Dec-14-09 07:14 PM   #71 
  - he writes for the Rolling Stone  angee_is_mad   Dec-14-09 10:29 PM   #73 
 

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