| 52. Her health care plan was a disaster! There were good ideas, but a disaster |
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nevertheless. I think Obama reasoned that the country wasn't ready for single payer. His mistake was not allowing proponents to make their case. A bad one in my view.
But again, don't make excuses for Hillary Clinton. She is far more hawkish than Obama was. And I don't care what you or anyone says, when Bob Graham and Russ Feingold literally BEGGED her and the Democrats to read the National Intelligence Estimate, she refused. She never apologized for her vote, even to this day. Kerry, Edwards, and other Democrats did.
As far as immunization for kids, S-CHIP, and those other items that you mentioned, the Obama administration passed these measures, so I'm not sure what you are suggesting.
Apart from her support of single payer, there is absolutely no evidence that she is to the "far left" of Obama. Certainly not as a member of the Democratic Leadership Council and a self-professed "Goldwater Gal."
No, thanks!
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| -Would Hillary have been the better choice in retrospect ? |
TatonkaJames |
Nov-29-10 03:13 PM |
#0 |
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Sometimes I think so, and other times I don't. |
GodlessBiker |
Nov-29-10 03:14 PM |
#1 |
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Hillary knew who her enemies were, and who were friends, and the strong character to act accordingly |
northoftheborder |
Nov-29-10 04:56 PM |
#45 |
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All her friends are now working in the Obama administration. Don't kid yourself. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-29-10 04:59 PM |
#48 |
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Jeebus, I do NOT understand people who don't understand this truth. |
PassingFair |
Dec-01-10 10:33 AM |
#214 |
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The answer is no. If Rupert Murdoch likes her |
molly77 |
Dec-01-10 07:01 PM |
#220 |
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No. NT |
NYCGirl |
Nov-29-10 03:16 PM |
#2 |
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+1 |
Bette Noir |
Nov-29-10 11:53 PM |
#126 |
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+1 n/t |
MBS |
Nov-30-10 03:47 PM |
#190 |
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+1 |
quaker bill |
Dec-01-10 05:54 AM |
#212 |
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It would have been less surprising to some if Hillary was in his place and doing the same. |
onehandle |
Nov-29-10 03:17 PM |
#3 |
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Many liberals are just as bad as the wingnuts for believing this hype that somehow |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-29-10 05:02 PM |
#49 |
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HILLARY ROCKS |
Moonbat2 |
Dec-01-10 04:14 AM |
#211 |
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Moonbat2 |
molly77 |
Dec-01-10 07:06 PM |
#221 |
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3, 2, 1 ... until the obligatory (and well-deserved) "not rehashing the primary" lock. |
11 Bravo |
Nov-29-10 03:17 PM |
# |
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Hell YES! |
NoPasaran |
Nov-29-10 03:17 PM |
#4 |
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+1 |
daa |
Nov-29-10 03:26 PM |
#9 |
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K&R X 1000! |
COLGATE4 |
Nov-30-10 09:15 AM |
#166 |
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Absolutely! nt |
Raine |
Dec-01-10 04:01 AM |
#210 |
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I have no idea, but I'm not confident there would have been much difference. |
jpgray |
Nov-29-10 03:18 PM |
#5 |
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Hillary, who voted for war, bankruptcy bill, ... |
MannyGoldstein |
Nov-29-10 03:18 PM |
#6 |
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who proposed healthcare reform FAR to the left of Obama's... |
ThatPoetGuy |
Nov-29-10 04:28 PM |
#36 |
| -
that S-Chip thing... |
Whisp |
Nov-29-10 05:06 PM |
#51 |
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Factcheck.org says you're wrong. |
ThatPoetGuy |
Nov-29-10 05:22 PM |
#54 |
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factcheck is also on the intertubes and you easily found it. |
Whisp |
Nov-29-10 05:35 PM |
#57 |
| -
Wait, you are trying to dispute me by posting the EXACT article that factcheck said was lying? |
ThatPoetGuy |
Nov-29-10 05:54 PM |
#60 |
| -
that doesn't say she was the big head of it all, does it? |
Whisp |
Nov-29-10 06:13 PM |
#65 |
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It was surreal seeing her curriculum vitae unravel. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-29-10 06:40 PM |
#73 |
| -
I also laugh at pumas. |
ThatPoetGuy |
Nov-29-10 07:04 PM |
#80 |
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Hillary is to the right of Obama |
Whisp |
Nov-29-10 07:22 PM |
#83 |
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The world has had enough of that kind of toughness |
TatonkaJames |
Nov-29-10 09:03 PM |
#98 |
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Hillary is to the right of Obama... aside from health care, |
ThatPoetGuy |
Nov-29-10 09:26 PM |
#104 |
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Hillary moved NO significant liberal legislation as a Senator |
karynnj |
Nov-29-10 08:49 PM |
#93 |
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"First Ladies do not move legislation." |
ThatPoetGuy |
Nov-29-10 09:28 PM |
#105 |
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Only in the sense that Lady GaGa does with Don't ask, don't tell |
karynnj |
Nov-30-10 08:09 AM |
#151 |
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As Sec. of State, I am not proud of the job that Hillary is doing. |
molly77 |
Dec-01-10 07:14 PM |
#222 |
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To me, the truely galling thing was that Begala and Carville |
karynnj |
Nov-29-10 08:47 PM |
#92 |
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They treated Obama the same way. Even worse. I mean, who needs Faux News when you |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-30-10 07:56 AM |
#147 |
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I would say it was about equal |
karynnj |
Nov-30-10 08:37 AM |
#160 |
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I look at Obama and sometimes see John Kerry as far as their level of intellect |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-30-10 09:16 AM |
#167 |
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I quite agree - and woul add integrity and character |
karynnj |
Nov-30-10 09:17 PM |
#205 |
| -
karynnj |
molly77 |
Dec-01-10 07:24 PM |
#223 |
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Yeah, just like she ran on her husband's record. As a feminist myself, it was insulting to me! n/t |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-30-10 07:53 AM |
#146 |
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The Boston Globe did not lie - they quoted Senator Kennedy |
karynnj |
Nov-29-10 08:44 PM |
#91 |
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No, they didn't quote him. |
ThatPoetGuy |
Nov-29-10 09:30 PM |
#106 |
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Fact check is wrong |
karynnj |
Nov-29-10 08:37 PM |
#90 |
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The NYT article -- the one YOU posted -- |
ThatPoetGuy |
Nov-29-10 09:12 PM |
#99 |
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The ad campaign was in support of the legislation - not before it was written |
karynnj |
Nov-30-10 07:46 AM |
#145 |
| -
karynnj |
molly77 |
Dec-01-10 07:31 PM |
#224 |
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Her health care plan was a disaster! There were good ideas, but a disaster |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-29-10 05:07 PM |
#52 |
| -
No, the Obama administration didn't pass S-CHiP. |
ThatPoetGuy |
Nov-29-10 05:19 PM |
#53 |
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You do realize that you are the one speaking the most of the IWR |
karynnj |
Nov-29-10 08:50 PM |
#94 |
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Yes; and? |
ThatPoetGuy |
Nov-29-10 09:16 PM |
#100 |
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What lies? |
karynnj |
Nov-30-10 08:06 AM |
#149 |
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Uhh...the Obama administration *didn't* reauthorize/sign S-CHIP? |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-30-10 07:13 AM |
#137 |
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Terribly sorry, but unless Obama was president in 1997 |
Very_Boring_Name |
Nov-29-10 06:21 PM |
#68 |
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..and extended by the Obama administration. Reading comprehension is key! |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-30-10 07:13 AM |
#138 |
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Had you said "extended these measures" we wouldn't be having this conversation |
Very_Boring_Name |
Nov-30-10 07:18 AM |
#140 |
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No!! You need to read. I said that Obama passed the legislation, which is still wrong. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-30-10 07:23 AM |
#141 |
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Ted Kennedy created the SCHIP program - Hillary's contribution was to lobby Bill |
karynnj |
Nov-29-10 08:14 PM |
#88 |
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The list was not of accomplishments -- |
ThatPoetGuy |
Nov-29-10 09:36 PM |
#108 |
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Her list of stances almost nearly matched those of Obama. And that's the point I was trying to make. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-30-10 07:16 AM |
#139 |
| -
Obama's record was scored as more liberal than Hillary's |
karynnj |
Nov-30-10 09:00 AM |
#164 |
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I don't really see much difference between the two. The only thing is that she would have had |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
Nov-29-10 03:19 PM |
#7 |
| -
They Would Just Be Sexist Right Wing Douchebags |
Yavin4 |
Nov-29-10 03:45 PM |
#16 |
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I remember an interview in the '08 dem primaries |
molly77 |
Dec-01-10 07:35 PM |
# |
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The reason I didn't want her for president is because she is DLC and |
movonne |
Nov-29-10 03:22 PM |
#8 |
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HELL NO!! Hillary is DLC all the way she's to the right of Obama |
bigdarryl |
Nov-29-10 03:28 PM |
#10 |
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Ummm....Obama is also a self declared DLC 'New Dem'. Neither one is worth a plug-nickel in my book. |
NorthCarolina |
Nov-30-10 09:38 AM |
#171 |
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Retrospect is for losers. |
jobycom |
Nov-29-10 03:36 PM |
#11 |
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As Hillary is to the right of Obama, oh, hell no! |
Ikonoklast |
Nov-29-10 03:40 PM |
#12 |
| -
Hillary is one of the committed warhawks having too much say with this WH already. |
blm |
Nov-29-10 03:40 PM |
#13 |
| -
NO WAY!!! She'd work with Repubs. with no fight since she's less liberal than Obama. But why drag |
jenmito |
Nov-29-10 03:42 PM |
#14 |
| -
Remember when the Senate voted unanimously |
molly77 |
Dec-01-10 07:39 PM |
#226 |
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Good lord, no. n/t |
superduperfarleft |
Nov-29-10 03:43 PM |
#15 |
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Doubtful. My allegiance (and heart) belongs to Dennis Kucinich. |
Still Blue in PDX |
Nov-29-10 03:52 PM |
#17 |
| -
YES! |
impik |
Nov-29-10 03:53 PM |
#18 |
| -
No ... and what's the point of this question?? |
Fruittree |
Nov-29-10 03:54 PM |
#19 |
| -
I don't think she's much different than B.O. but... |
TatonkaJames |
Nov-29-10 06:47 PM |
#75 |
| -
I strongly suspect that there is no choice but to |
Fruittree |
Nov-30-10 04:46 AM |
#135 |
| -
For Honduras or America? |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Nov-29-10 03:55 PM |
#20 |
| -
Two sides of the same corporate coin. nt |
polichick |
Nov-29-10 03:57 PM |
#21 |
| -
That is what I was saying the whole time. |
xultar |
Nov-29-10 04:00 PM |
#23 |
| -
If we want to save this party, we'll have to choose much better candidates... |
polichick |
Nov-29-10 04:06 PM |
#27 |
| -
That's the key. Both Hillary and Obama have compromised what this party stands for. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-30-10 08:05 AM |
#148 |
| -
But she didn't win 12 straight primaries and relied on superdelegates. |
rug |
Nov-29-10 03:59 PM |
#22 |
| -
Just for the record |
LisaM |
Nov-29-10 04:20 PM |
#33 |
| -
I agree completely. I always found it an odd argument to rely on when selecting a president. |
rug |
Nov-29-10 05:35 PM |
#56 |
| -
Give me a break. BILL CLINTON ran for President and there |
karynnj |
Nov-29-10 08:56 PM |
#95 |
| -
No. |
political_Dem |
Nov-29-10 04:01 PM |
#24 |
| -
She's even farther to the right. nt. |
JoePhilly |
Nov-29-10 04:05 PM |
#25 |
| -
We may never know..... |
Uben |
Nov-29-10 04:06 PM |
#26 |
| -
The Economy Would Still Suck Regardless Of Who Was :President |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Nov-29-10 04:09 PM |
#28 |
| -
No. |
TheBigotBasher |
Nov-29-10 04:12 PM |
#29 |
| -
Depends who you ask |
BeyondGeography |
Nov-29-10 04:12 PM |
#30 |
| -
LOL. Please give examples of how Hilary is more progressive than Obama? Her husband was far from |
LeftyAndProud60 |
Nov-29-10 04:14 PM |
#31 |
| -
Some of u live in a dream world. |
TatonkaJames |
Nov-29-10 09:19 PM |
#101 |
| -
Some of u live in a dream world. |
TatonkaJames |
Nov-29-10 09:21 PM |
#102 |
| -
It all just goes to prove that primaries |
Jakes Progress |
Nov-29-10 04:19 PM |
#32 |
| -
NO!!! Get over the primaries, already!!! n/t |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-29-10 04:21 PM |
#34 |
| -
nope |
tishaLA |
Nov-29-10 04:22 PM |
#35 |
| -
Hell no. There's a good reason she lost. n/t |
Phx_Dem |
Nov-29-10 04:28 PM |
#37 |
| -
+1 |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-29-10 06:15 PM |
#66 |
| -
I definetly think so. |
LisaL |
Nov-29-10 04:29 PM |
#38 |
| -
I don't see the point in this. |
Metric System |
Nov-29-10 04:31 PM |
#39 |
| -
Perhaps she would be somewhat better on |
Dawson Leery |
Nov-29-10 04:32 PM |
#40 |
| -
I have no doubt she would have been far better a choice, there |
doc03 |
Nov-29-10 04:43 PM |
#41 |
| -
+1 |
emilyg |
Nov-29-10 08:35 PM |
#89 |
| -
Get. Over. It ! |
elizm |
Nov-29-10 04:48 PM |
#42 |
| -
No (nt) |
bigwillq |
Nov-29-10 04:52 PM |
#43 |
| -
Certainly better than Obama. |
VMI Dem |
Nov-29-10 04:52 PM |
#44 |
| -
Not at all. |
de novo |
Nov-29-10 04:56 PM |
#46 |
| -
F*ck NO! But then there is hardly a reason to ask |
activa8tr |
Nov-29-10 04:59 PM |
#47 |
| -
o good christ no. |
Whisp |
Nov-29-10 05:03 PM |
#50 |
| -
Maybe, because she would've put the Democrats in line. |
joshcryer |
Nov-29-10 05:31 PM |
#55 |
| -
Oh you mean like her and Bill did in the 90s? There is no way in hell she could have got |
LeftyAndProud60 |
Nov-29-10 05:57 PM |
#61 |
| -
She wasn't in charge in the 90s. |
joshcryer |
Nov-30-10 12:05 AM |
#127 |
| -
Glad you made that point. Then, why did she run on her husband's record as if it were her own? |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-30-10 08:10 AM |
#152 |
| -
Oh she would. |
joshcryer |
Nov-30-10 09:30 PM |
#207 |
| -
Oh yes ...spank me ...harder ...harder ...oh please ...harder. |
L0oniX |
Nov-29-10 07:22 PM |
#82 |
| -
(facepalm) |
racaulk |
Nov-29-10 05:38 PM |
#58 |
| -
She did her part in the great lie that was the Iraq War |
hulka38 |
Nov-29-10 05:44 PM |
#59 |
| -
We will never know. And trying to change the past is for losers. n/t |
Lil Missy |
Nov-29-10 05:58 PM |
#62 |
| -
If we don't learn from the past, we'll continue to lose. (n/t) |
oasis |
Nov-30-10 03:50 PM |
#191 |
| -
Which has nothing to do with the OP I responded to. |
Lil Missy |
Nov-30-10 05:23 PM |
#200 |
| -
BTW - The 2008 primaries are over.... |
PatGund |
Nov-29-10 06:04 PM |
#63 |
| -
Yes... |
Sancho |
Nov-29-10 06:11 PM |
#64 |
| -
Not hardly...but Kucinich would have certainly been a better choice. nt |
NorthCarolina |
Nov-29-10 06:15 PM |
#67 |
| -
on your planet maybe Kucinich could get elected |
onenote |
Nov-29-10 06:36 PM |
#72 |
| -
Yeah, that's it I suppose. All hail the chief. nt |
NorthCarolina |
Nov-29-10 08:01 PM |
#87 |
| -
The Senate would have blocked Kucinich just as much as they blocked Obama. |
Radical Activist |
Nov-30-10 01:42 AM |
#130 |
| -
One big difference though. Kucinich would not have been afraid to use the power |
NorthCarolina |
Nov-30-10 08:23 AM |
#157 |
| -
... |
suzie |
Nov-30-10 09:50 AM |
#172 |
| -
What do you think |
Radical Activist |
Nov-30-10 10:46 AM |
#173 |
| -
NFW |
Kltpzyxm |
Nov-29-10 06:22 PM |
#69 |
| -
NO! |
Politicalboi |
Nov-29-10 06:28 PM |
#70 |
| -
I see no reason to think she'd have done anything differently |
onenote |
Nov-29-10 06:34 PM |
#71 |
| -
Unrec'd |
treestar |
Nov-29-10 06:42 PM |
#74 |
| -
Because when Bill was prez..... |
TatonkaJames |
Nov-29-10 06:50 PM |
#76 |
| -
Sec. Of State Clinton would have had huge problems with independents |
mikekohr |
Nov-29-10 06:53 PM |
#77 |
| -
Take all the hate of Obama |
marlakay |
Nov-29-10 06:54 PM |
#78 |
| -
No |
alcibiades_mystery |
Nov-29-10 06:56 PM |
#79 |
| -
Exceptionaists suck donkey ballz! Arrogant egotistical sociopathic bastards! |
L0oniX |
Nov-29-10 07:20 PM |
#81 |
| -
I'm still convince that Hillary would have gotten us right were we are |
rocktivity |
Nov-29-10 07:39 PM |
#84 |
| -
Absolutely not |
genna |
Nov-29-10 07:54 PM |
#85 |
| -
NO NO and NO |
karynnj |
Nov-29-10 07:57 PM |
#86 |
| -
It's interesting because we often hear their meme about how strong and tough the Clintons are. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-30-10 08:15 AM |
#153 |
| -
As a fellow "old enough to remeber" person, I agree completely |
karynnj |
Nov-30-10 08:42 AM |
#162 |
| -
Oddly enough, Edwards became my choice after Kucinich left the competition. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-30-10 09:23 AM |
#169 |
| -
Good observations |
karynnj |
Nov-30-10 06:08 PM |
#202 |
| -
Great post, karynnj. I enjoyed reading it. nt |
gateley |
Dec-01-10 06:48 PM |
#218 |
| -
Pointless post. It isn't reality, and wishing won't make it so. n/t |
CakeGrrl |
Nov-29-10 08:58 PM |
#96 |
| -
Pointless post |
TatonkaJames |
Nov-29-10 09:25 PM |
#103 |
| -
And...? |
CakeGrrl |
Nov-29-10 09:34 PM |
#107 |
| -
That wasn't my aim |
TatonkaJames |
Nov-29-10 10:07 PM |
#111 |
| -
In terms of policy Hillary was pretty much to Obama's right on many issues. |
Jennicut |
Nov-29-10 08:58 PM |
#97 |
| -
Why ask the question? |
Beacool |
Nov-29-10 09:47 PM |
#109 |
| -
. . . |
Whisp |
Nov-29-10 10:16 PM |
#112 |
| -
And that pic is supposed to mean precisely what? |
Beacool |
Nov-29-10 11:08 PM |
#119 |
| -
Hehehehe....nt |
SidDithers |
Nov-30-10 01:45 AM |
#131 |
| -
That is so not true about the Clintons. I admired Bill Clinton and |
akbacchus_BC |
Nov-29-10 11:23 PM |
# |
| -
Just to correct you. The Democratics controlled both houses of Congress when Hillary |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-30-10 08:18 AM |
#154 |
| -
No, and you're excused for insinuating that she would. |
Arkana |
Nov-29-10 09:49 PM |
#110 |
| -
Hillary is much different than Obama... |
hayu_lol |
Nov-29-10 10:29 PM |
#114 |
| -
Bullshit. Twice. |
damonm |
Nov-29-10 10:56 PM |
#116 |
| -
I don't really know, but Clinton and Obama seemed the same to me during the primaries. |
ZombieHorde |
Nov-29-10 10:23 PM |
#113 |
| -
The fact is... |
quickesst |
Nov-29-10 10:50 PM |
#115 |
| -
+1 |
paulk |
Nov-30-10 02:08 PM |
#174 |
| -
No n/t |
Inuca |
Nov-29-10 11:01 PM |
#117 |
| -
Good question! President Obama had the people across the US |
akbacchus_BC |
Nov-29-10 11:02 PM |
#118 |
| -
she COULDN'T HAVE BEEN WORSE |
Skittles |
Nov-29-10 11:23 PM |
#120 |
| -
I agree with you, she would have been better! Sorry for being |
akbacchus_BC |
Nov-29-10 11:30 PM |
#122 |
| -
no. n/t |
sammytko |
Nov-29-10 11:28 PM |
#121 |
| -
Bubba was the king of bipartisanship (NAFTA), why would Hill be any different? |
krawhitham |
Nov-29-10 11:40 PM |
#123 |
| -
Bubba created 20 million jobs, last 2 years jobs are lost! |
golfguru |
Nov-29-10 11:46 PM |
#125 |
| -
"Jobs" should have been the #1 focus of the present administration. |
oasis |
Nov-30-10 02:48 PM |
#178 |
| -
by 10:1 heck ya! |
golfguru |
Nov-29-10 11:44 PM |
#124 |
| -
We'd be exactly where we are although some conseradems may of supported her the coatails... |
ProgressOnTheMove |
Nov-30-10 12:48 AM |
#128 |
| -
haha no. |
Radical Activist |
Nov-30-10 01:40 AM |
#129 |
| -
Sure I think she was the better choice |
Awsi Dooger |
Nov-30-10 01:59 AM |
#132 |
| -
Doesn't it end up in a "We'll do this without you" approach anyway |
Life Long Dem |
Nov-30-10 02:19 AM |
#133 |
| -
Hard to tell |
jeanpalmer |
Nov-30-10 03:08 AM |
#134 |
| -
To me, literally anyone would have been a better choice. |
BlueIris |
Nov-30-10 04:50 AM |
#136 |
| -
I don't see how she could possibly be worse. |
Balbus |
Nov-30-10 07:36 AM |
#142 |
| -
Not a dime's worth of difference. |
WinkyDink |
Nov-30-10 07:42 AM |
#143 |
| -
We know she has more balls, that is for sure. |
Township75 |
Nov-30-10 07:45 AM |
#144 |
| -
Not just no, but hell no. |
MadHound |
Nov-30-10 08:07 AM |
#150 |
| -
Don't fool yourself. She'd be exactly the same |
Stuckinthebush |
Nov-30-10 08:19 AM |
#155 |
| -
no, and thank the maker she lost |
mkultra |
Nov-30-10 08:23 AM |
#156 |
| -
Hell to the NO. (In before lock) |
harun |
Nov-30-10 08:27 AM |
#158 |
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No unless you have a strong desire for McCain/Palin |
whistler162 |
Nov-30-10 08:33 AM |
#159 |
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There's no reason to believe she would have lost in the general election. |
Metric System |
Nov-30-10 08:39 AM |
#161 |
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It's highly unlikely either of them would've lost the GE. |
joshcryer |
Nov-30-10 09:37 PM |
#209 |
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McCain wouldn't have won. |
Beacool |
Nov-30-10 08:42 AM |
#163 |
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He HAS done it without the repugs |
catgirl |
Nov-30-10 09:09 AM |
#165 |
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she would have the same policies |
Enrique |
Nov-30-10 09:21 AM |
#168 |
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How can anybody say when she isn't president? |
WI_DEM |
Nov-30-10 09:32 AM |
#170 |
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Will this ever end?? get over it. Obama is and will continue to be the President. |
Aramchek |
Nov-30-10 02:30 PM |
#175 |
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Hill and Bill have the "know how" and the connections to get things done. |
oasis |
Nov-30-10 02:39 PM |
#176 |
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Yet they couldn't manage to win her the Dem nomination. Go figure. n/t |
CakeGrrl |
Nov-30-10 02:45 PM |
#177 |
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Too many Dems sought a messiah when an administrator was called for |
oasis |
Nov-30-10 02:56 PM |
#180 |
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Yeah, an administrator who hired Mark Penn to run her campaign. Great start. |
CakeGrrl |
Nov-30-10 03:04 PM |
#181 |
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22 million good paying jobs were created by Bill Clinton. Refudiate that. |
oasis |
Nov-30-10 03:17 PM |
#185 |
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GW Bush left us a shithole of epic proportions. Deal with THAT. |
CakeGrrl |
Nov-30-10 03:51 PM |
#192 |
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This is a "woulda/shoulda/coulda" thread. It's hard for some to admit |
oasis |
Nov-30-10 04:01 PM |
#195 |
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When did his term end? |
CakeGrrl |
Nov-30-10 04:03 PM |
#196 |
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2012 campaign slogan for the faithful. "We're STILL the ones we've been waiting for". |
oasis |
Nov-30-10 04:11 PM |
#197 |
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That'a a RW/PUMA lie. We sought a Dem. who was more liberal than Hillary and we got one. |
jenmito |
Nov-30-10 03:05 PM |
#182 |
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"We are now the most respected country in the world".???? |
oasis |
Nov-30-10 03:10 PM |
#184 |
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Yes. |
jenmito |
Nov-30-10 03:20 PM |
#186 |
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Early Oct. 2009. I'd be interested to see what the data shows many drone strikes later. |
oasis |
Nov-30-10 03:37 PM |
#188 |
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We are now the most respected country in the world thanks to Obama???? |
Beacool |
Nov-30-10 09:17 PM |
#206 |
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Yes, whether you can accept it or not! And I think we DO live in parallel worlds... |
jenmito |
Dec-01-10 01:57 PM |
#216 |
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Name removed |
Nov-30-10 02:52 PM |
#179 |
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No! |
butterfly77 |
Nov-30-10 03:09 PM |
#183 |
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I now think so... |
jzodda |
Nov-30-10 03:30 PM |
#187 |
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ITA. That was my issue with him. I feared his inexperience would be a problem |
lunamagica |
Nov-30-10 09:36 PM |
#208 |
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Things I didn't like about Hillary: |
ljm2002 |
Nov-30-10 03:40 PM |
#189 |
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I think , YES |
mitchtv |
Nov-30-10 03:51 PM |
#193 |
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yes |
JVS |
Nov-30-10 03:54 PM |
#194 |
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My sense of her is that she wouldn't be as patient with the Republicans as Obama |
gateley |
Nov-30-10 04:37 PM |
#198 |
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Exactamundo. Hill's a fighter. (nt) |
oasis |
Nov-30-10 05:26 PM |
#201 |
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Must be a slow afternoon on DU... |
Blue_Tires |
Nov-30-10 05:23 PM |
#199 |
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We all were 'low count posters' at one time |
MissDeeds |
Nov-30-10 06:36 PM |
#203 |
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No |
musette_sf |
Nov-30-10 07:11 PM |
#204 |
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Yes, she would have been a wiser leader. |
robcon |
Dec-01-10 10:22 AM |
#213 |
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If she could have been elected, she would have been a better president. |
old mark |
Dec-01-10 01:48 PM |
#215 |
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They wouldn't be working with Hilary either. They want their own power. |
wowimthere |
Dec-01-10 02:11 PM |
#217 |
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I think that sums it up perfectly. Doesn't matter who got the nod. They want to rule. nt |
gateley |
Dec-01-10 06:50 PM |
#219 |
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Interesting question. . . |
cyr330 |
Dec-01-10 07:35 PM |
#225 |
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No |
fadedrose |
Dec-01-10 07:44 PM |
#227 |
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2 peas in a pod working toward the same agenda using the |
obxhead |
Dec-01-10 08:05 PM |
#228 |
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No. Doubt it. |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Dec-01-10 08:20 PM |
#229 |
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I think she'd have won the soundbite war and stood up to the repubs and gone farther |
craigmatic |
Dec-01-10 08:40 PM |
#230 |
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lol |
ibegurpard |
Dec-01-10 08:46 PM |
#231 |
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NO |
underpants |
Dec-01-10 08:47 PM |
#232 |
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