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Fruittree Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-10 05:36 AM
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23. But this isn't just anybody else - there's a purpose or
at least intended purpose to it and I don't think it's what the word "groping" usually brings to mind. To me, it seems we should be asking the questions - Do these enhanced measures achieve the purpose they are meant to achieve or not? And if not, what would be better? If they do, are they so invasive that we'd rather deal with the increased risk of not using them? Or are they so invasive that we need to come up with something better anyway?
The problem, of course, is that these questions are hard to answer. The only way to answer them is for there to be an attack on a plane. If there were an attack on a plane in spite of them, we'd know they don't work. If there were an attack on a plane and we had stopped using them,we still wouldn't be sure the methods would have thwarted the attack but I bet all those people on the plane and their families would be wishing the government had done something more to have protected them even if it involved what you choose to call "groping".
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  -What the TSA controversy is all about-Another attack on the left Politics_Guy25  Nov-27-10 04:14 PM   #0 
  - You're right -- that's why Faux, Limbaugh, and the Drudge Report  pnwmom   Nov-27-10 04:36 PM   #1 
  - .  DrToast   Nov-27-10 04:38 PM   #2 
  - Next question, why is the left buying into it?  jaxx   Nov-27-10 04:42 PM   #3 
  - Because although they think they are the progressive left ...  frazzled   Nov-27-10 11:12 PM   #22 
     - Seems to me the "right wing fear talk" is saying we need to submit  Union Scribe   Nov-28-10 06:20 AM   #25 
        - "indecencies"  boppers   Nov-28-10 06:53 AM   #26 
           - I literally have no idea what you're talking about.  Union Scribe   Nov-28-10 08:24 AM   #27 
              - Let's focus on one aspect. Ankles.  boppers   Nov-28-10 08:56 AM   #28 
  - If a Republican says something true, I'm not going to say it's false because he has ulterior motives  Eric J in MN   Nov-27-10 05:01 PM   #4 
  - wrong  frylock   Nov-27-10 08:13 PM   #5 
  - A lot of progressives don't want to live in a police state  LittleBlue   Nov-27-10 08:38 PM   #6 
  - I think most progressives are all about a police state,  Phx_Dem   Nov-27-10 09:10 PM   #7 
  - +1 million  treestar   Nov-27-10 10:19 PM   #11 
  - So, you were for these anti-constitutional abuses when Bush  sabrina 1   Nov-28-10 05:54 PM   #42 
  - Wow.  Union Scribe   Nov-27-10 10:52 PM   #15 
  - This is the view of a supposed Democrat???  NorthCarolina   Nov-28-10 04:55 PM   #40 
  - +100000000000  woo me with science   Nov-27-10 09:32 PM   #9 
  - I'm wondering where this "police state" is that you speak of.  jefferson_dem   Nov-27-10 11:03 PM   #21 
  - I tend to agree with you...  Fruittree   Nov-27-10 09:12 PM   #8 
  - So true if only it could be discussed rationally.  treestar   Nov-27-10 10:17 PM   #10 
  - Exactly - it seems to happen with every issue where  Fruittree   Nov-28-10 05:36 AM   #24 
  - If anybody else decided to pat down your crotch  LisaL   Nov-27-10 10:21 PM   #12 
     - But this isn't just anybody else - there's a purpose or  Fruittree   Nov-28-10 05:36 AM   #23 
        - I am pretty sure that terrorists among us are rare and far between.  LisaL   Nov-28-10 12:33 PM   #31 
           - I agree with you as to the number of terrorists and that's why I said  Fruittree   Nov-28-10 01:16 PM   #32 
  - If the TSA stops doing what it's doing  Proud Liberal Dem   Nov-27-10 10:33 PM   #13 
  - And if it doesn't stop what it's doing and we get hit, what then?  LisaL   Nov-27-10 10:39 PM   #14 
  - Probably not  Proud Liberal Dem   Nov-27-10 10:58 PM   #19 
  - I am all for safety but I personally find methods TSA has started  LisaL   Nov-27-10 11:01 PM   #20 
  - Is it your view that (say) only folk between the ages of 15 and 55 should be screened?  struggle4progress   Nov-28-10 11:32 AM   #29 
  - I keep reading this and it's absurd  Union Scribe   Nov-27-10 10:55 PM   #17 
     - Sorry, that's not what the poster is saying ... at all.  jefferson_dem   Nov-27-10 10:58 PM   #18 
  - Truth.  jefferson_dem   Nov-27-10 10:54 PM   #16 
  - Is there any theoretical TSA rule which would be too far?  Eric J in MN   Nov-28-10 03:22 PM   #36 
  - Thanks Jefferson-dem  Politics_Guy25   Nov-28-10 04:20 PM   #39 
  - take it up with the aclu  frylock   Nov-28-10 12:13 PM   #30 
  - My problem with TSA is they are always behind the curve &  golfguru   Nov-28-10 01:23 PM   #33 
  - We know exactly what the story is about  pmorlan1   Nov-28-10 02:25 PM   #34 
  - So this BS is OK as long as our side does it. Gotcha!  Odin2005   Nov-28-10 03:16 PM   #35 
  - Maybe airlines are a luxury we can no longer afford  saras   Nov-28-10 04:11 PM   #37 
  - When did Democrats jump ship on this issue? When did 'we' decide  sabrina 1   Nov-28-10 04:16 PM   #38 
  - Man you just exposed all hypocrites /nt  golfguru   Nov-28-10 05:10 PM   #41 
  - all pretty obvious  Skittles   Nov-28-10 11:37 PM   #43 
  - The TSA under Bush was throwing out your Dr. Pepper, not finger-banging your kids.  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Nov-29-10 12:22 AM   #44 
  - You're right.  Union Scribe   Nov-29-10 04:22 AM   #46 
     - I truely believe...  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Nov-29-10 09:45 AM   #47 
  - Remember when Obama started warrantless wiretaps? Oh, wait. That was Bush. n/t  Beartracks   Nov-29-10 01:16 AM   #45 
 

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