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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 08:56 PM
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13. The whole system wasn't ever going to change to suit the unisured.
He didn't sell anybody out, he took nothing away but your dream that you could get something for nothing.
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  -The most progressive President in 40 years. Radical Activist  Nov-22-10 08:19 PM   #0 
  - Rec'd. Good post. I wonder if we're capable of doing  babylonsister   Nov-22-10 08:28 PM   #1 
  - And since I'm on the topic. Getting me discouraged is the goal.  Radical Activist   Nov-22-10 08:33 PM   #2 
     - I would love to recommend this post.  blue neen   Nov-22-10 09:07 PM   #16 
     - Well Said, Bud!  Beetwasher   Nov-23-10 09:49 AM   #71 
     - +10000000. Why won't anyone see this one fact?  political_Dem   Nov-27-10 06:53 AM   #127 
  - Anyone who doubts Obama's commitment to progressive change  The_Casual_Observer   Nov-22-10 08:34 PM   #3 
  - He does have a long record.  Radical Activist   Nov-22-10 08:37 PM   #4 
  - It's a solid record.  The_Casual_Observer   Nov-22-10 08:43 PM   #6 
  - When Obama does something progressive  Radical Activist   Nov-22-10 11:23 PM   #39 
  - The "Problem" Is That It's Not IN YOUR FACE EXCITING Change  Beetwasher   Nov-23-10 10:06 AM   #75 
  - exactly. change is incremental. Social Security wasn't the program it is now  Windy   Nov-22-10 08:45 PM   #8 
  - The politics of Hope and Change have run into the reality of a government designed for slow change  mikekohr   Nov-22-10 10:55 PM   #33 
  - "the only way it's been done in America for two-hundred and twenty-one years"  Radical Activist   Nov-22-10 11:38 PM   #42 
  - Educate us, please. Just exactly what is happening?  txlibdem   Nov-24-10 12:51 AM   #99 
  - Try getting health insurance if over 50. Oh, wait until 2014.  Mimosa   Nov-22-10 08:44 PM   #7 
  - 2014 is better than the never you would have under any other circumstances.  The_Casual_Observer   Nov-22-10 08:46 PM   #9 
  - Right. Fall down the steps..  Mimosa   Nov-22-10 08:48 PM   #11 
  - The whole system wasn't ever going to change to suit the unisured.  The_Casual_Observer   Nov-22-10 08:56 PM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-22-10 09:01 PM   #15 
  - Sure that happened to a person or two in say 2005  treestar   Nov-23-10 09:35 AM   #64 
  - You ought to be ashamed.  Mimosa   Nov-22-10 09:27 PM   #23 
  - why should they be ashamed?  OhioBlue   Nov-27-10 12:21 AM   #122 
  - Are you covered?  _ed_   Nov-23-10 04:19 PM   #88 
  - Because the US Senate sucks.  Radical Activist   Nov-22-10 08:46 PM   #10 
  - Because he said 'hold his feet to the fire'  Mimosa   Nov-22-10 09:18 PM   #18 
  - A popular cliche.  Radical Activist   Nov-22-10 10:06 PM   #28 
  - Truman was wrong  treestar   Nov-23-10 09:38 AM   #66 
  - And has there ever been such deliberate obstruction?  treestar   Nov-23-10 09:37 AM   #65 
  - And even with "coverage" you still may not be able to afford care  dflprincess   Nov-22-10 09:57 PM   #27 
  - Obama proposed something progressive.  Radical Activist   Nov-22-10 10:19 PM   #30 
  - this type of argument is a deliberate failure to understand how things  treestar   Nov-23-10 09:39 AM   #67 
     - Well, tell me how it will work for someone who can only afford  dflprincess   Nov-23-10 12:40 PM   #84 
  - Try being a slave in say 1834.  treestar   Nov-23-10 09:33 AM   #63 
  - Give Me A Break!!! It Was All 24th Dimensional Chess So He Could Convince YOU He WASN'T Really A  Beetwasher   Nov-23-10 09:43 AM   #69 
  - excellent!!!  Windy   Nov-22-10 08:42 PM   #5 
  - Oh, we who put him in office are the failures?  Mimosa   Nov-22-10 09:25 PM   #22 
     - Politics involves organized action. Our opponents are organized. If we aren't, we lose.  struggle4progress   Nov-22-10 09:31 PM   #25 
        - +1  OhioBlue   Nov-27-10 12:24 AM   #123 
        - +10000000. And there are some forces at play who don't want us to organize.  political_Dem   Nov-27-10 07:01 AM   #128 
  - K&R  AtomicKitten   Nov-22-10 08:48 PM   #12 
  - hah  Radical Activist   Nov-22-10 09:08 PM   #17 
  - But Krugman said he's a conservative, so i guess it's true  impik   Nov-22-10 08:57 PM   #14 
  - Unbelievable.  bigwillq   Nov-23-10 08:20 AM   #61 
  - Thanks for the reminder that HE never said it would be easy!  MindandSoul   Nov-22-10 09:21 PM   #19 
  - Nobody sat back.  Mimosa   Nov-22-10 09:22 PM   #20 
  - Simply beautiful. Thanks, Rad.  Number23   Nov-22-10 09:23 PM   #21 
  - "I .. ask you join in the work ... block by block, brick by brick, calloused hand by calloused hand"  struggle4progress   Nov-22-10 09:27 PM   #24 
  - I love that picture.  pa28   Nov-22-10 09:38 PM   #26 
  - The movement can never be  Radical Activist   Nov-22-10 10:11 PM   #29 
  - K/R.  proteus_lives   Nov-22-10 10:32 PM   #31 
  - "as if change is something they can watch happen on a screen."  Clio the Leo   Nov-22-10 10:43 PM   #32 
  - Thanks.  Radical Activist   Nov-22-10 11:02 PM   #35 
  - Excellent post nt  JamesA1102   Nov-22-10 10:58 PM   #34 
  - K & R  Scurrilous   Nov-22-10 11:06 PM   #36 
  - I'm not surprised you think this president is progressive  ibegurpard   Nov-22-10 11:13 PM   #37 
  - Of course.  Radical Activist   Nov-22-10 11:19 PM   #38 
     - that he does  ibegurpard   Nov-22-10 11:28 PM   #40 
        - I'm not sure when Republicans last favored  Radical Activist   Nov-22-10 11:31 PM   #41 
           - Yeah, all the way to Nixon  Hawkowl   Nov-23-10 12:44 AM   #46 
              - Things forced on him by a Democratic Congress when he was politically weak  Radical Activist   Nov-23-10 12:47 AM   #47 
                 - He could have vetoed  Hawkowl   Nov-23-10 12:54 AM   #48 
                    - Obama already did more for the environment than Nixon.  Radical Activist   Nov-23-10 01:06 AM   #49 
                       - Fake legislation  Hawkowl   Nov-23-10 01:52 AM   #50 
                          - EPA regulation of CO2,  Radical Activist   Nov-23-10 02:00 AM   #51 
  - Hey, this thread already got 45 recs.  Radical Activist   Nov-22-10 11:43 PM   #43 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-23-10 12:12 AM   #44 
  - Thanks.  Radical Activist   Nov-23-10 12:36 AM   #45 
  - Yummy! This beer is the tastiest thing I've drank in the last 5 minutes. nt  Umbral   Nov-23-10 02:08 AM   #52 
  - What kind?  Radical Activist   Nov-23-10 02:16 AM   #53 
  - K (& already, earlier, R)! thank you for this beautiful and moving  nofurylike   Nov-23-10 02:27 AM   #54 
  - Who promised change?  jeanpalmer   Nov-23-10 03:14 AM   #55 
  - Then one shouldn't delude oneself into thinking he's "completely failed to do his job".  JTFrog   Nov-23-10 07:03 AM   #59 
  - Do you support his wars?  jeanpalmer   Nov-23-10 07:45 PM   #94 
     - He didn't start either war.  JTFrog   Nov-24-10 07:08 AM   #102 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-24-10 07:40 PM   #106 
  - Sounds very passive  treestar   Nov-23-10 09:51 AM   #73 
  - When he escalated the war  jeanpalmer   Nov-23-10 07:44 PM   #93 
  - First, Obama said constantly during the election  Radical Activist   Nov-23-10 11:07 AM   #79 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-23-10 07:41 PM   #92 
     - No, he didn't do it alone.  Radical Activist   Nov-24-10 12:50 AM   #98 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-24-10 07:45 PM   #107 
           - What exactly do you dispute?  Radical Activist   Nov-24-10 11:46 PM   #109 
  - You don't understand the necessity to delude oneself  OhioBlue   Nov-27-10 12:30 AM   #124 
  - Big K&R ..... the insight to what is really happening is worth the read.  jaxx   Nov-23-10 05:57 AM   #56 
  - I thought that Obama said change would come quickly and easily  CTLawGuy   Nov-23-10 06:51 AM   #57 
  - You weren't the only one.  Radical Activist   Nov-23-10 01:25 PM   #85 
  - K&R!  JTFrog   Nov-23-10 06:57 AM   #58 
  - Whew.  dbmk   Nov-23-10 07:43 AM   #60 
  - Well,  Radical Activist   Nov-23-10 11:18 AM   #80 
  - Rec'd. Love that photo!  treestar   Nov-23-10 09:30 AM   #62 
  - Oh Please, Everyone Knows His Whole Activist Past Was Part Of Some Giant 24th Dimensional Chess  Beetwasher   Nov-23-10 09:41 AM   #68 
  - And he has been working on his evil plan since birth!  treestar   Nov-23-10 09:49 AM   #70 
     - You Know What's Sad?  Beetwasher   Nov-23-10 09:51 AM   #72 
     - Just goes to show you that foreigners can still come to America  Ikonoklast   Nov-23-10 10:19 AM   #76 
  - Yeah he was but other progressive presidents were persuasive or had a huge coalition  craigmatic   Nov-23-10 10:04 AM   #74 
  - It's a shame, but  Radical Activist   Nov-23-10 11:21 AM   #81 
     - It's partly his own fault. He needs to have his own spokespeople out there more or use the cabinet.  craigmatic   Nov-23-10 03:22 PM   #86 
  - this stuff only hurts the president  Enrique   Nov-23-10 10:24 AM   #77 
  - Interesting approach.  Radical Activist   Nov-23-10 10:51 AM   #78 
     - I'll say again what I said during the primaries...  Enrique   Nov-23-10 11:22 AM   #82 
        - Obama is as far left  Radical Activist   Nov-23-10 11:34 AM   #83 
           - omg, what laughable bullshit.  inna   Nov-24-10 01:44 AM   #101 
              - Work on your reading comprehension.  Radical Activist   Nov-24-10 12:19 PM   #104 
  - Another "Blame the soldiers for the Failures of Leadership" thread?  bvar22   Nov-23-10 04:14 PM   #87 
  - Swing voters should not have to do reasearch in order to determine that Govt. is working for them.  Dr Fate   Nov-23-10 04:28 PM   #90 
  - Of course this post is aimed at DU.  Radical Activist   Nov-24-10 12:45 AM   #96 
  - Soldiers? Do you see yourself as a foot soldier?  Radical Activist   Nov-24-10 01:48 PM   #105 
  - In other news, "Radical Activist" is indeed, the most radical activist we've seen in 40 years. n/t  Dr Fate   Nov-23-10 04:21 PM   #89 
  - Thank you.  Radical Activist   Nov-24-10 12:46 AM   #97 
  - That post is a riot! After the first sentence, I couldn't stop laughing...  DutchLiberal   Nov-23-10 07:27 PM   #91 
  - Can you name which President in 40 years was more progressive?  Radical Activist   Nov-24-10 12:42 AM   #95 
  - Jimmy Carter...  DutchLiberal   Nov-24-10 08:14 PM   #108 
     - You are mistaken about some key facts.  Radical Activist   Nov-24-10 11:52 PM   #110 
        - Not true on all points...  DutchLiberal   Nov-25-10 06:41 PM   #113 
           - You're deluding youself  Radical Activist   Nov-26-10 12:51 AM   #115 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-26-10 06:10 PM   #118 
  - yeah, pretty funny shit.  inna   Nov-24-10 01:38 AM   #100 
  - Why?  jefferson_dem   Nov-26-10 06:46 PM   #120 
  - K&R  Phx_Dem   Nov-24-10 08:36 AM   #103 
  - Great thread, K + R nt  flamingdem   Nov-25-10 12:32 AM   #111 
  - There's no denying it he is the most forward thinking Pres. in 40 years. Might not be as forward as  DemocraticPilgrim   Nov-25-10 01:42 AM   #112 
  - What if you believe the efforts aren't in good faith?  Milo_Bloom   Nov-25-10 07:37 PM   #114 
  - I'd say Jimmy Carter was more progressive  brownsugar   Nov-26-10 07:26 AM   #116 
  - OP: You are probably right, and that is a real fucking shame...nt  old mark   Nov-26-10 04:11 PM   #117 
  - This is so sad to see. "Most Progressive President in 40 years."  KoKo   Nov-26-10 06:45 PM   #119 
  - sheesh, that's what you consider "the most progressive"??  ima_sinnic   Nov-26-10 07:00 PM   #121 
  - Is this supposed to convince progressives or bash them?  Union Scribe   Nov-27-10 04:38 AM   #125 
  - Progressive as in progressively dragging us to the right? n/t  cornermouse   Nov-27-10 05:46 AM   #126 
 

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