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Mon Nov-08-10 03:54 PM
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| 87. The "Purist Progressives" like myself |
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Are not arguing methods, we are arguing results and goals.
The people who are arguing method are arguing against common democratic goals.
If there's a fracture in our "Big Tent," it's in the fact that people we thought stood with us in principle against Bush are now saying it's all right for President Obama to do the same things(Like Obama's admission that he pushed a Repulican HRC at us in the hopes of making them happy).
There's no real argument here- either we stand for certain things, or we're not Democrats. This isn't a sports event. We don't get points for "Winning" when we capitulate to a Republican worldview.
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NanceGreggs |
Nov-07-10 09:03 PM |
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Good to have you back, my dear Nance... |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Nov-07-10 09:07 PM |
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Thanks, Peggy ... |
NanceGreggs |
Nov-08-10 12:00 AM |
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Yes, let me add my thanks also. It's always good to read Nance's writings. |
SharonAnn |
Nov-09-10 07:24 PM |
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K&R...n/t |
Oceansaway |
Nov-07-10 09:07 PM |
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K & R |
Oldtimeralso |
Nov-07-10 09:08 PM |
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K & R |
treestar |
Nov-07-10 09:10 PM |
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Physician, Heal Thyself |
Demeter |
Nov-07-10 09:15 PM |
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Anyone who considers solidarity ... |
NanceGreggs |
Nov-07-10 09:27 PM |
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Nov-08-10 06:30 AM |
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Nov-09-10 07:12 PM |
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Thank you, Nance. Another thoughtful essay from a smart Democrat. n/t |
pnwmom |
Nov-07-10 09:31 PM |
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I have certain minimum standards |
dsc |
Nov-07-10 09:31 PM |
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I, too, have minium standards ... |
NanceGreggs |
Nov-07-10 09:38 PM |
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I am done voting for bigots |
dsc |
Nov-07-10 09:42 PM |
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We all must do what as we see fit ... |
NanceGreggs |
Nov-07-10 10:03 PM |
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Nov-08-10 08:53 AM |
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Nov-08-10 10:00 AM |
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+1,000,000 |
Bobbie Jo |
Nov-08-10 10:21 AM |
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Brava, Nance!! THAT is THE CRUX of it all!! what we who grasp |
nofurylike |
Nov-08-10 09:56 PM |
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Very well said. |
MrsCorleone |
Nov-09-10 02:17 PM |
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And sometimes standing your ground means you prevent |
dflprincess |
Nov-07-10 10:00 PM |
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LOL! |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-07-10 10:04 PM |
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Look back over the last 30 years |
dflprincess |
Nov-07-10 10:10 PM |
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That's ok..... |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-07-10 11:01 PM |
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Hardly |
tavalon |
Nov-08-10 10:03 AM |
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Of course, if we had more true allies, we'd ALL be standing our ground. |
donco6 |
Nov-08-10 08:55 AM |
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Nevermind |
terrya |
Nov-10-10 09:40 AM |
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Well said! |
Spazito |
Nov-07-10 09:40 PM |
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Thanks for this! |
madamesilverspurs |
Nov-07-10 09:41 PM |
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Thank you, Nance! |
SeattleGirl |
Nov-07-10 09:46 PM |
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Nance, this reminder is so needed. K&R |
SunsetDreams |
Nov-07-10 09:49 PM |
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There was a time ... |
NanceGreggs |
Nov-07-10 10:07 PM |
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Thanks for focusing |
The Wizard |
Nov-07-10 10:09 PM |
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I am no longer a 'Big Tent Democrat' |
grantcart |
Nov-07-10 10:28 PM |
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A true student of history is, above all, honest |
Stinky The Clown |
Nov-07-10 10:30 PM |
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Outstanding! |
Bobbie Jo |
Nov-07-10 10:32 PM |
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Thanks Nance |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-10 10:35 PM |
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kick and rec |
proud patriot |
Nov-07-10 10:53 PM |
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you'd have a point if you'd harp at the insulting "moderates" as well |
ibegurpard |
Nov-07-10 11:15 PM |
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A bunch of mixed threads sometimes just yields a meaningless gray. nt |
Bonobo |
Nov-07-10 11:23 PM |
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Well said. nt |
Rincewind |
Nov-07-10 11:58 PM |
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Nov-08-10 12:01 AM |
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Perhaps precision of language is beyond your ken. |
NanceGreggs |
Nov-08-10 12:16 AM |
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This person has especially failed to recognize the difference. |
SeattleGirl |
Nov-08-10 12:21 AM |
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You're a part of the "actual left"? Where do you stand on the elimination of capital? |
LooseWilly |
Nov-08-10 12:46 AM |
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Sorry, sweetie ... |
NanceGreggs |
Nov-08-10 12:52 AM |
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Nov-08-10 01:09 AM |
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Irony much? |
girl gone mad |
Nov-08-10 07:12 PM |
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So, you get to determine what "left" means? How humble of you. |
stevenleser |
Nov-10-10 10:55 AM |
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There you go.... |
Dystopian |
Nov-08-10 12:48 AM |
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"extreme leftist" |
superduperfarleft |
Nov-08-10 08:48 AM |
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2nd that (n/t) |
bread_and_roses |
Nov-08-10 02:37 PM |
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3rd it. |
donco6 |
Nov-08-10 08:39 PM |
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Nov-08-10 01:34 AM |
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Nov-08-10 02:18 AM |
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Worry not for me Diogenes, I'm the Capybara of malcontents... |
Umbral |
Nov-08-10 02:56 AM |
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K&R. my sister |
DesertFlower |
Nov-08-10 12:21 AM |
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You`ve changed my mind. I`m going for that giant tapestry thing. |
democrank |
Nov-08-10 03:38 AM |
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+1,000,000 |
muffin1 |
Nov-08-10 06:43 AM |
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Nov-08-10 10:02 AM |
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That's exactly the message of the OP. |
donco6 |
Nov-08-10 10:37 AM |
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another +1 million |
ima_sinnic |
Nov-08-10 04:06 PM |
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Bravo. Big K&R. |
lamp_shade |
Nov-08-10 04:11 AM |
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K&R |
NJmaverick |
Nov-08-10 06:21 AM |
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I've been watching us tear ourselves apart for quite some time now... |
rasputin1952 |
Nov-08-10 06:39 AM |
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Beautiful |
ampad |
Nov-08-10 10:03 AM |
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what is terribly sad is any real response or debate is being censored! |
flyarm |
Nov-08-10 11:16 AM |
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One isn't allowed to criticize the writing of certain DUers. |
Ignis |
Nov-10-10 12:16 PM |
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Thank you for your wise words, my friend ... |
NanceGreggs |
Nov-08-10 08:43 PM |
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Nov-08-10 06:45 AM |
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What's being woven is more a muffler than a tapestry. |
rug |
Nov-08-10 07:34 AM |
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Nailed It! |
bvar22 |
Nov-08-10 07:37 PM |
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K&R...nt |
SidDithers |
Nov-08-10 08:10 AM |
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Well said Nance. |
JNelson6563 |
Nov-08-10 08:26 AM |
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Proud to K & R . . . |
R. P. McMurphy |
Nov-08-10 08:39 AM |
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United we stand, divided we fall. |
jaxx |
Nov-08-10 08:46 AM |
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Must be something in the ether Nancy.. I am on that same thought process K&R |
Peacetrain |
Nov-08-10 08:59 AM |
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You left out a few - |
donco6 |
Nov-08-10 09:02 AM |
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This is really about Rahm isn't it |
BetsysGhost |
Nov-08-10 09:23 AM |
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Everything's about Rahm, hon! |
tavalon |
Nov-08-10 10:07 AM |
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I especially loved this part: |
DevonRex |
Nov-08-10 09:23 AM |
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But when I'm on the side of the Party Platform, and they're not - |
donco6 |
Nov-08-10 09:40 AM |
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Well, I"m a member of the party because of the platform. |
DevonRex |
Nov-08-10 09:58 AM |
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+1000 nt |
laughingliberal |
Nov-08-10 10:11 AM |
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du |
grannie4peace |
Nov-08-10 09:49 AM |
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K&R |
azmouse |
Nov-08-10 10:35 AM |
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Had a coupla locked threads proving your point. |
WingDinger |
Nov-08-10 11:18 AM |
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K & R |
Scurrilous |
Nov-08-10 11:36 AM |
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K/R. |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-08-10 11:39 AM |
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If you have haters that means you are somebody |
voteearlyvoteoften |
Nov-08-10 11:44 AM |
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Nov-08-10 12:15 PM |
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"self-proclaimed progressives, extreme liberals, far leftists" |
EFerrari |
Nov-08-10 11:48 AM |
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Irony is a Lost Art Around Here |
Demeter |
Nov-08-10 12:37 PM |
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I agree. United we stand. Divided we fall. |
bvar22 |
Nov-08-10 12:56 PM |
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Many, many pluses, Bvar22 |
Blue_In_AK |
Nov-08-10 01:53 PM |
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Well, it seems that most people here ... |
NanceGreggs |
Nov-08-10 02:12 PM |
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Nov-08-10 03:01 PM |
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NOW you are going to argue AGAINST your OWN OP? |
bvar22 |
Nov-08-10 05:17 PM |
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I'm not arguing against my own OP. |
NanceGreggs |
Nov-08-10 06:53 PM |
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Nov-08-10 07:12 PM |
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If that's the way you see things, so be it. |
NanceGreggs |
Nov-08-10 07:26 PM |
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Nov-09-10 02:57 PM |
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yeah, gotta love OPs like this |
ibegurpard |
Nov-08-10 06:58 PM |
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I'm with you! nt |
laughingliberal |
Nov-09-10 09:21 AM |
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K/R |
PBS Poll-435 |
Nov-08-10 01:49 PM |
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The "Purist Progressives" like myself |
Hydra |
Nov-08-10 03:54 PM |
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Exactly! (nt) |
whatchamacallit |
Nov-08-10 03:59 PM |
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Still grinding that axe I see |
whatchamacallit |
Nov-08-10 03:57 PM |
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Yeppurs, still grinding that axe ... |
NanceGreggs |
Nov-08-10 07:24 PM |
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Thank you, Nance |
Chulanowa |
Nov-08-10 05:19 PM |
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Reading this OP, I was struck by a thought ... |
Kweli4Real |
Nov-08-10 05:40 PM |
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Interesting point. Something to bear in mind. nt |
CJCRANE |
Nov-09-10 02:38 PM |
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K and R. We need to fight to keep our party together. |
political_Dem |
Nov-08-10 05:45 PM |
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I feel like I am reading the script to a Douglas Sirk movie. |
Safetykitten |
Nov-08-10 08:00 PM |
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And I feel like I'm reading ... |
NanceGreggs |
Nov-08-10 08:10 PM |
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All the solutions now say "Deleted Message". |
donco6 |
Nov-08-10 08:40 PM |
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I've read most of the deleted messages ... |
NanceGreggs |
Nov-08-10 08:45 PM |
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Nov-08-10 09:01 PM |
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Thank you for posting. It is always great to see your name. |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-08-10 09:08 PM |
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Thanks Nancy... K&R |
Top Cat |
Nov-08-10 09:10 PM |
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Thanks, Nan... Telling it like is is |
MrScorpio |
Nov-08-10 11:08 PM |
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You had me going for a few paragraphs. |
pa28 |
Nov-08-10 11:55 PM |
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well said |
quaker bill |
Nov-09-10 04:22 AM |
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KnR |
Uzybone |
Nov-09-10 02:38 PM |
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Excellent OP, Nance. Unity, not Purity should be the goal. n/t |
msanthrope |
Nov-09-10 03:20 PM |
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In 2008 I don't remember the pro-Hillary viewpoints being treasured |
Awsi Dooger |
Nov-10-10 12:22 AM |
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A good post but I can't agree with all of it |
Roland99 |
Nov-10-10 07:32 AM |
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To Make Something Out of Whole Cloth |
Demeter |
Nov-10-10 09:17 AM |
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Great OP Ms Nance |
mstinamotorcity |
Nov-10-10 10:31 AM |
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K&R |
stevenleser |
Nov-10-10 10:58 AM |
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