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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 08:09 AM
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9. Recommended.
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 08:29 AM by saltpoint
The folks who feel Obama is insufficiently Left have not persuaded his majority constituencies in the Democratic Party that they have a better plan.

They are extremely capable of insisting on their ideological terms. But they have not offered any plan, no blueprint, no persuasive strategies, for bringing those terms to fruition in a Constitutional republic.

Ya say ya wanna revolution, well ya know, we'd all love to see the plan. Whip it out.
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  -He's President, not a superhero: The left has been too quick to jump ship babylonsister  Sep-27-10 07:50 AM   #0 
  - Considering Krypton is about to explode, that is not irrational.  rug   Sep-27-10 07:56 AM   #1 
  - One huge strawman  zipplewrath   Sep-27-10 07:56 AM   #2 
  - +1  racaulk   Sep-27-10 07:57 AM   #3 
  - That's rich coming from you; you are one of the chief complainers  babylonsister   Sep-27-10 08:02 AM   #5 
  - We HAVE blamed the pukes, and we HAVE blamed the  Tansy_Gold   Sep-27-10 08:43 AM   #32 
     - Well said, thank you...with one exception..  vi5   Sep-27-10 08:52 AM   #37 
     - "I didn't expect miracles. I expected hard work. I expected standing on principles."  CrispyQ   Sep-27-10 10:56 AM   #87 
     - Great Response!!! Please post it as an OP - please......  jannyk   Sep-27-10 09:06 PM   #109 
     - +1,000,000 nt  laughingliberal   Sep-28-10 03:03 AM   #119 
     - Brilliant. Thank you.  muffin1   Sep-28-10 09:07 AM   #127 
     - thank you  paulk   Sep-28-10 09:16 AM   #128 
  - +2  LWolf   Sep-27-10 08:13 AM   #12 
  - +2  COLGATE4   Sep-27-10 08:24 AM   #17 
  - It's true, ain't it? We gave Clinton 8 years. But Obama? Nah!  Liberal_Stalwart71   Sep-27-10 08:28 AM   #20 
  - You can't turn it around by continuing it  zipplewrath   Sep-27-10 08:47 AM   #35 
  - True enough ,,call it the Clinton influrnce myself......  Tippy   Sep-27-10 09:12 AM   #52 
  - Did Clinton usurp the power to kill Americans without trial?  avaistheone1   Sep-28-10 01:42 AM   #114 
  - + more  freebrew   Sep-27-10 10:53 AM   #85 
  - +100 .nt  Hawkowl   Sep-27-10 01:00 PM   #92 
  - True if anything  Pab Sungenis   Sep-27-10 01:00 PM   #93 
  - The left wasn't wanting a superhero, just somebody who would give our ideas a fair hearing  MadHound   Sep-27-10 07:58 AM   #4 
  - For a year and a half, the president  ChairmanAgnostic   Sep-27-10 08:03 AM   #6 
  - I do agree with this. In all fairness, I have no response. n/t  Liberal_Stalwart71   Sep-27-10 08:30 AM   #25 
  - I recall the week in which he chided my Democratic Rep  Bluenorthwest   Sep-27-10 08:56 AM   #39 
  - Exactly. It's as if we're in some Kafka-esque nightmare where  Tansy_Gold   Sep-27-10 08:59 AM   #41 
  - +1  vi5   Sep-27-10 08:04 AM   #7 
  - very well stated! K&R 2u!  Lost4words   Sep-27-10 08:13 AM   #11 
  - Well  dennis4868   Sep-27-10 08:22 AM   #16 
     - What fillubuster caused these decisions?  zipplewrath   Sep-27-10 08:35 AM   #27 
     - If you want a prez....  dennis4868   Sep-27-10 09:02 AM   #45 
     - There's no presidential race in November  zipplewrath   Sep-27-10 09:11 AM   #50 
        - Unfortunately, you did not get my point....  dennis4868   Sep-27-10 09:32 AM   #69 
           - But it undermines the point  zipplewrath   Sep-27-10 09:51 AM   #74 
              - Who says that you get to define....  dennis4868   Sep-27-10 09:53 AM   #76 
                 - Okay, let's not get hung up on the labels  zipplewrath   Sep-27-10 10:06 AM   #78 
                 - you're not a progressive..  frylock   Sep-27-10 12:30 PM   #89 
                    - My sig line  Tansy_Gold   Sep-27-10 02:09 PM   #100 
     - Continuing Torture, Authorizing Extra-judicial Murder  Demeter   Sep-27-10 12:34 PM   #91 
     - So if it weren't for the fillibuster  vi5   Sep-27-10 08:37 AM   #29 
     - Bingo  zipplewrath   Sep-27-10 08:43 AM   #33 
     - So scared of it you can't even spell it right?  izquierdista   Sep-27-10 08:43 AM   #31 
  - With respect, MadHound, the Left does appear to  saltpoint   Sep-27-10 08:18 AM   #15 
  - I can't speak for anyone else, but my needs are simple...  vi5   Sep-27-10 08:28 AM   #21 
  - I doubt if any of us believes there is a superman figure  saltpoint   Sep-27-10 08:35 AM   #28 
     - But it's not "the left" who are discouraged and disgusted...  vi5   Sep-27-10 08:43 AM   #34 
        - I think we would likely agree on an enormous number  saltpoint   Sep-27-10 09:01 AM   #44 
           - The President is oppsed to equal rights for my people  Bluenorthwest   Sep-27-10 09:07 AM   #48 
           - The Congress? So far as I know, they still generate  saltpoint   Sep-27-10 09:17 AM   #55 
              - So when he asked congress  zipplewrath   Sep-27-10 09:20 AM   #58 
              - the president may "serve all the people," but it is not possible for him  Tansy_Gold   Sep-27-10 09:42 AM   #72 
           - Replacements?  zipplewrath   Sep-27-10 09:13 AM   #54 
              - I did catch Bernie's comment, but I hope you're not  saltpoint   Sep-27-10 09:18 AM   #57 
                 - Past performance  zipplewrath   Sep-27-10 09:21 AM   #59 
                    - I would repeat what seems obvious to me, namely  saltpoint   Sep-27-10 08:23 PM   #106 
                       - Fool me once  zipplewrath   Sep-28-10 07:15 AM   #121 
                          - I like some of any Democratic president's appointments,  saltpoint   Sep-28-10 07:41 AM   #123 
                             - In the economic area  zipplewrath   Sep-28-10 08:58 AM   #125 
  - Now, *this* is a reasoned argument! Thanks for this!! +1,000,000,000!!  Liberal_Stalwart71   Sep-27-10 08:34 AM   #26 
  - Prove it  zipplewrath   Sep-27-10 08:41 AM   #30 
  - If the Republicans hold an ideological lock on  saltpoint   Sep-27-10 08:53 AM   #38 
     - I tried to explain  zipplewrath   Sep-27-10 08:59 AM   #40 
        - Most of us took a good look at Obama's legislative  saltpoint   Sep-27-10 09:13 AM   #53 
           - Great Society  zipplewrath   Sep-27-10 09:17 AM   #56 
              - Not entirely true. They were Kennedy's first. I am sure you  saltpoint   Sep-27-10 08:19 PM   #105 
                 - Civil rights is not the "great society"  zipplewrath   Sep-28-10 07:12 AM   #120 
                    - Agree that there is a continuum to service but  saltpoint   Sep-28-10 07:38 AM   #122 
                       - Okay, but you're now changing the basis of comparison  zipplewrath   Sep-28-10 09:01 AM   #126 
  - Care to back up that opinion with some facts?  MadHound   Sep-27-10 08:59 AM   #42 
  - My analysis is fact-driven already, MadHound.  saltpoint   Sep-27-10 09:06 AM   #47 
     - But where is the desire for a superhero in all of that?  zipplewrath   Sep-27-10 09:25 AM   #63 
     - McKinney, IMO, doesn't have much at all to do with  saltpoint   Sep-27-10 08:29 PM   #107 
     - But his street cred as a "Community Organizer"  displacedvermoter   Sep-27-10 10:51 AM   #84 
        - Current polling shows Obama's approval running at  saltpoint   Sep-27-10 08:59 PM   #108 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-27-10 09:01 AM   #43 
  - the real issue: Cape or no cape.  ChairmanAgnostic   Sep-27-10 12:31 PM   #90 
     - Capes in literature and art hint at a broader and  saltpoint   Sep-27-10 08:13 PM   #103 
  - some of the things on your list is a misrepresentation of what...  dennis4868   Sep-27-10 09:35 AM   #70 
     - Umm, it is a well known fact that tax cuts, any tax cuts, are the worst form of economic stimulus,  MadHound   Sep-27-10 11:34 PM   #113 
  - But, but, but,but, but  Sinistrous   Sep-27-10 08:08 AM   #8 
  - Recommended.  saltpoint   Sep-27-10 08:09 AM   #9 
  - YES!!!  bvar22   Sep-27-10 08:27 AM   #19 
     - One moves toward the light.  saltpoint   Sep-27-10 08:29 AM   #24 
        - Does one move toward the light, arresting people as one goes?  Bluenorthwest   Sep-27-10 09:22 AM   #61 
           - Policies you and I would certainly prefer to see manifest  saltpoint   Sep-27-10 08:11 PM   #102 
  - thats what I said when smarter folks were pointing out clintons failures  Lost4words   Sep-27-10 08:10 AM   #10 
  - I don't understand people that call themselves  young but wise   Sep-27-10 08:13 AM   #13 
  - Who is quitting?  bvar22   Sep-27-10 09:10 AM   #49 
     - +bunches  Tansy_Gold   Sep-27-10 10:26 AM   #80 
     - Thanks, TG.  bvar22   Sep-27-10 10:36 AM   #83 
     - + perfect post.  Norrin Radd   Sep-28-10 01:44 AM   #115 
  - Great article  dennis4868   Sep-27-10 08:14 AM   #14 
  - When someone says the left doesn't undestand..  freebrew   Sep-27-10 12:01 PM   #88 
  - The Left is like kryptonite!! Anything to kill progress.  Liberal_Stalwart71   Sep-27-10 08:27 AM   #18 
  - I think his critics have to ask themselves could they repair the US in 2 years and reshape the...  DemocraticPilgrim   Sep-27-10 08:28 AM   #22 
  - Sometimes I think people were screaming for joy so loudly...  Clio the Leo   Sep-27-10 08:29 AM   #23 
  - Hyperbole and trash talk worthy of McClurkin or Eddie Long  Bluenorthwest   Sep-27-10 08:52 AM   #36 
  - If he would repudiate the unconstitutional Bush era Homeland Security Act,  old mark   Sep-27-10 09:06 AM   #46 
  - Don't confuse the demagogues with the truth. nt  JamesA1102   Sep-27-10 09:12 AM   #51 
  - Totally agree with article + 1000  Nancy Waterman   Sep-27-10 09:21 AM   #60 
  - The President is oppsed to equal rights for my people  Bluenorthwest   Sep-27-10 09:27 AM   #64 
  - Thank you, Nancy Waterman!  Cha   Sep-27-10 02:04 PM   #98 
     - Some people are independents because the Democratic party has moved too far to the right  dflprincess   Sep-27-10 10:05 PM   #112 
  - ...  woo me with science   Sep-27-10 09:25 AM   #62 
  - The 'ship' sank under the weight of...  hayu_lol   Sep-27-10 09:30 AM   #66 
  - I never thought of Obama as a superhero of the left, or...  TreasonousBastard   Sep-27-10 09:28 AM   #65 
  - sorry, he IS a superhero:  unblock   Sep-27-10 09:31 AM   #67 
  - K&R and thanks.  jaxx   Sep-27-10 09:31 AM   #68 
  - Truer words never told. The spineless from the left will get what they deserve in November  impik   Sep-27-10 09:38 AM   #71 
  - the spineless from the left?!  frylock   Sep-27-10 01:17 PM   #94 
  - we on the left did not jump ship,  reggie the dog   Sep-27-10 09:47 AM   #73 
  - "we were thrown overboard"  ProSense   Sep-27-10 09:53 AM   #75 
     - i am  reggie the dog   Sep-27-10 10:03 AM   #77 
        - Yeah,  ProSense   Sep-27-10 10:22 AM   #79 
  - we know he's not a superhero  Enrique   Sep-27-10 10:29 AM   #81 
  - "the Shirley Sherrod episode showed that"  ProSense   Sep-27-10 10:31 AM   #82 
     - he's tom vilsack's boss  frylock   Sep-27-10 01:18 PM   #95 
  - Maybe he should remember he's no superhero when he's  txaslftist   Sep-27-10 10:54 AM   #86 
  - + 1,000,000,000  avaistheone1   Sep-28-10 02:02 AM   #116 
  - maybe he shouldn't have fostered the idea that he was  Honeyporter735   Sep-27-10 01:36 PM   #96 
  - You didn't like the Berlin speech after all the ridicule the US  babylonsister   Sep-27-10 02:05 PM   #99 
  - I don't know who this "left" is? None of my family or friends who  Cha   Sep-27-10 02:01 PM   #97 
  - We don't need a superhero, just a Prime Minister and a parliamentary system  andym   Sep-27-10 03:22 PM   #101 
  - he could've saved himself some time and just said "pony"  ibegurpard   Sep-27-10 08:14 PM   #104 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-27-10 09:26 PM   #110 
  - What pap.  WorseBeforeBetter   Sep-27-10 10:01 PM   #111 
  - Crouch is out of touch  jeanpalmer   Sep-28-10 02:42 AM   #117 
  - Please tell me I didn't just read, "stay the course." nt  laughingliberal   Sep-28-10 02:57 AM   #118 
     - Eh, why not?  racaulk   Sep-28-10 08:31 AM   #124 
 

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