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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 07:10 PM
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28. I think we would have been split
He gets an A+ on civil right issues, but he flunked Viet Nam.
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  -If DU had existed in 1965, how would it have treated Lyndon Johnson? Ken Burch  Dec-08-09 05:52 PM   #0 
  - We would have definitely been divided in our own support. Anti-war  jwirr   Dec-08-09 05:55 PM   #1 
  - I think some of the same McCarthyite tactics against dissent would have emerged  Ken Burch   Dec-08-09 05:58 PM   #3 
  - I'm curious as to why this post was unrec'd. I dont always agree with the OP, but  stevenleser   Dec-11-09 04:02 PM   #71 
     - It's not this post. It's a control issue with the Unreccer's, I'm convinced of that.  CTyankee   Dec-11-09 05:10 PM   #77 
  - I haven't a clue. I remember some people saying Obama should be like Johnson.  vaberella   Dec-08-09 05:55 PM   #2 
  - Got that right. nt  tblue   Dec-08-09 05:58 PM   #4 
  - The good part of LBJ was what he did on domestic issues  Ken Burch   Dec-08-09 06:01 PM   #7 
  - Here's a clue for you: LBJ was complicated.  freddie mertz   Dec-11-09 04:52 PM   #73 
  - I dunno, but I know Huffpo would have had a daily article about what Lady Bird was  valerief   Dec-08-09 05:59 PM   #5 
  - Today's Democrats are the Republicans of 1960s  IndianaGreen   Dec-08-09 06:00 PM   #6 
  - Yeah, but DU has dems with a small d not big D. DU is for progressive and liberals. nt  valerief   Dec-08-09 06:03 PM   #9 
  - LBJ would have never become VP because JFK's affairs would have become public  IndianaGreen   Dec-08-09 06:07 PM   #10 
  - Really? I was a Democrat in the '60s, and I'm still a Democrat.. One thing similar is  demosincebirth   Dec-08-09 06:09 PM   #11 
     - Lester Maddox was a Democrat  IndianaGreen   Dec-08-09 06:12 PM   #13 
     - Let me ask you something: Why are you  demosincebirth   Dec-08-09 06:29 PM   #17 
     - I am a New Deal Democrat  IndianaGreen   Dec-08-09 06:34 PM   #18 
     - Don't make me laugh. eom.  demosincebirth   Dec-08-09 06:48 PM   #22 
        - Lester Maddox was my governor for a while  IndianaGreen   Dec-08-09 06:50 PM   #23 
           - You know the "difference between an ax handle and a pick handle?"  demosincebirth   Dec-10-09 04:57 PM   #57 
     - love it or leave it  frylock   Dec-08-09 06:42 PM   #21 
        - It had that ring to it, didn't it?  David Zephyr   Dec-09-09 06:01 PM   #49 
     - Lester Maddox was a Dem before LBJ's big realignment that lost the south.  amandabeech   Dec-08-09 09:46 PM   #35 
     - You do realize that those people were right, .  Ken Burch   Dec-08-09 06:56 PM   #26 
     - Did you support the Democrats inside or outside the '68 Convention in Chicago?  David Zephyr   Dec-09-09 05:58 PM   #48 
     - That "great rub" you're so proud of created a backlash that gave us Nixon & Reagan twice - and by  apocalypsehow   Dec-10-09 09:18 PM   #60 
        - It's not QUITE that simple  Ken Burch   Dec-10-09 11:06 PM   #65 
        - Another thoughtful, measured, intelligent reply. One I agree with in part, especially regarding the  apocalypsehow   Dec-11-09 02:33 PM   #70 
           - Er...you're welcome.  Ken Burch   Dec-11-09 05:07 PM   #76 
        - LOL. I'm proud to be what you disdain as "your kind".  David Zephyr   Dec-11-09 01:03 PM   #68 
           - Three sentences, every one of them non-responsive and/or *ad hominem*. About what I expected.  apocalypsehow   Dec-11-09 02:29 PM   #69 
              - Yeah, Democratic defeat in 68 had NOTHING to do with HHH's own baggage  freddie mertz   Dec-11-09 04:58 PM   #75 
     - So, you thought the Vietnam war was just peachy then?  freddie mertz   Dec-11-09 04:55 PM   #74 
  - I think the anti-war movement, sometimes extreme, influenced the election  demosincebirth   Dec-08-09 06:02 PM   #8 
  - Johnson in 1965 did a terrific job.  present and past   Dec-08-09 06:11 PM   #12 
  - I agree that, on civil rights, LBJ was the Second Lincoln  Ken Burch   Dec-08-09 06:14 PM   #14 
  - Once again, the internet would have exposed LBJ and JFK's many affairs  IndianaGreen   Dec-08-09 06:14 PM   #15 
     - At least Johnson's womanizing wasn't foolish and dangerous like Kennedy's.  present and past   Dec-08-09 08:38 PM   #29 
  - LBJ didn't have a CBO.  Clio the Leo   Dec-08-09 06:25 PM   #16 
  - Ok, he didn't  Ken Burch   Dec-08-09 06:36 PM   #19 
     - But he also had Republicans who were willing to work with him.  SemiCharmedQuark   Dec-09-09 05:16 AM   #43 
  - We marched against his war policy and praised him for his social achievments  eleny   Dec-08-09 06:39 PM   #20 
  - He would have been priased and criticized  andym   Dec-08-09 06:53 PM   #24 
  - A minority would have opposed Johnson's war escalation and by 1968 that would have become a majority  Better Believe It   Dec-08-09 06:54 PM   #25 
  - I lived thru it. God, did we hate LBJ for escalating that war. And then Nixon.  CTyankee   Dec-11-09 05:12 PM   #78 
  - If DU existed in 1941, how would it have treated FDR  question everything   Dec-08-09 06:58 PM   #27 
  - There would be plenty here who would have wanted to go against Nazi Germany  amandabeech   Dec-08-09 09:50 PM   #36 
  - I think we would have been split  MiniMe   Dec-08-09 07:10 PM   #28 
  - There would of been a server failure when he lifted his dog by his ears.  neshanic still   Dec-08-09 09:06 PM   #30 
  - Many, maybe most, would have been trying to drive him from office  onenote   Dec-08-09 09:31 PM   #31 
  - At least the drafted ones would be.  neshanic still   Dec-08-09 09:33 PM   #32 
  - LBJ would have shown up at Skinner's door and broke his legs, end of DU.  CK_John   Dec-08-09 09:38 PM   #33 
  - LOL!!! I would have paid good money to see it on Uncle Walter, too. n/t  amandabeech   Dec-08-09 09:55 PM   #37 
  - Like shit.  apocalypsehow   Dec-08-09 09:42 PM   #34 
  - and he put wiretaps on MLK  IndianaGreen   Dec-08-09 10:13 PM   #38 
     - Who, JFK through his brother Bobby in the latters role as Attorney General? Quite right. n/t.  apocalypsehow   Dec-09-09 06:22 PM   #51 
     - They were probably acting, at least in part, out of fear of J. Edgar Hoover  Ken Burch   Dec-09-09 10:19 PM   #55 
        - So, your assessment is that they were either (a) weak leaders, yanked around on Hoover's chain, or  apocalypsehow   Dec-10-09 08:47 PM   #59 
           - Of course they were shamelessly self-interested  Ken Burch   Dec-10-09 09:28 PM   #61 
              - But that would apply to LBJ, too, and he still managed to get more done. Remember this LBJism?:  apocalypsehow   Dec-10-09 09:42 PM   #62 
                 - And LBJ never stopped Hoover from persecuting civil rights activists  Ken Burch   Dec-10-09 09:50 PM   #63 
                    - Well, on this - the contents of your post here - we're pretty much agreed. n/t.  apocalypsehow   Dec-10-09 10:17 PM   #64 
     - But if it was LBJ you were referring to, so what? MLK was a controversial figure in 1965, no matter  apocalypsehow   Dec-09-09 06:24 PM   #52 
  - are you saying if we were around then, we should have all stood up and saluted?  yurbud   Dec-09-09 02:47 AM   #39 
  - No, I wasn't saying that.  Ken Burch   Dec-09-09 12:42 PM   #44 
     - ok  yurbud   Dec-09-09 12:50 PM   #45 
  - LBJ was a servant to the corporatist olgarchy!  boppers   Dec-09-09 03:19 AM   #40 
  - For A Rough Account, Sir, Of The 'DU' Attitude Towards President Johnson....  The Magistrate   Dec-09-09 04:17 AM   #41 
  - Considering how many progressives have decried "spending your way out of a recession" today,  SemiCharmedQuark   Dec-09-09 05:06 AM   #42 
     - FDR wasn't giving the money to other rich people.  Ken Burch   Dec-09-09 04:59 PM   #47 
  - If DU existed in 1965, would LBJ even BE president?  marshall   Dec-09-09 12:56 PM   #46 
  - Good question. Unanswerable, but good.  Ken Burch   Dec-09-09 10:16 PM   #54 
  - Have we ever uncovered and prevented a conspiracy?  Occam Bandage   Dec-10-09 05:20 PM   #58 
  - Yes. The Civil Rights Bill would not have been good enough  treestar   Dec-09-09 06:20 PM   #50 
  - I think many of us would have treated him honestly.  asdjrocky   Dec-09-09 06:31 PM   #53 
  - You mean Saint Lyndon? nt  Bonobo   Dec-09-09 10:33 PM   #56 
  - DU would have backed Bobby Kennedy for president  Garam_Masala   Dec-11-09 02:05 AM   #66 
  - Hate. He was from Texas. He would not have been picked as VP  old mark   Dec-11-09 06:55 AM   #67 
  - I am not sure. But I was born in 75 so the only thing I remember about Vietnam is how my Dad did not  Jennicut   Dec-11-09 04:18 PM   #72 
 

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