demosincebirth
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Tue Dec-08-09 06:29 PM
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| 17. Let me ask you something: Why are you |
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Edited on Tue Dec-08-09 06:30 PM by demosincebirth
using "Democratic Underground" if you detest the democratic party so much? Maybe you should be getting ready for the next WTO meetings.
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| -If DU had existed in 1965, how would it have treated Lyndon Johnson? |
Ken Burch |
Dec-08-09 05:52 PM |
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We would have definitely been divided in our own support. Anti-war |
jwirr |
Dec-08-09 05:55 PM |
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I think some of the same McCarthyite tactics against dissent would have emerged |
Ken Burch |
Dec-08-09 05:58 PM |
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I'm curious as to why this post was unrec'd. I dont always agree with the OP, but |
stevenleser |
Dec-11-09 04:02 PM |
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It's not this post. It's a control issue with the Unreccer's, I'm convinced of that. |
CTyankee |
Dec-11-09 05:10 PM |
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I haven't a clue. I remember some people saying Obama should be like Johnson. |
vaberella |
Dec-08-09 05:55 PM |
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Got that right. nt |
tblue |
Dec-08-09 05:58 PM |
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The good part of LBJ was what he did on domestic issues |
Ken Burch |
Dec-08-09 06:01 PM |
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Here's a clue for you: LBJ was complicated. |
freddie mertz |
Dec-11-09 04:52 PM |
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I dunno, but I know Huffpo would have had a daily article about what Lady Bird was |
valerief |
Dec-08-09 05:59 PM |
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Today's Democrats are the Republicans of 1960s |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-08-09 06:00 PM |
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Yeah, but DU has dems with a small d not big D. DU is for progressive and liberals. nt |
valerief |
Dec-08-09 06:03 PM |
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LBJ would have never become VP because JFK's affairs would have become public |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-08-09 06:07 PM |
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Really? I was a Democrat in the '60s, and I'm still a Democrat.. One thing similar is |
demosincebirth |
Dec-08-09 06:09 PM |
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Lester Maddox was a Democrat |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-08-09 06:12 PM |
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Let me ask you something: Why are you |
demosincebirth |
Dec-08-09 06:29 PM |
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I am a New Deal Democrat |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-08-09 06:34 PM |
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Don't make me laugh. eom. |
demosincebirth |
Dec-08-09 06:48 PM |
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Lester Maddox was my governor for a while |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-08-09 06:50 PM |
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You know the "difference between an ax handle and a pick handle?" |
demosincebirth |
Dec-10-09 04:57 PM |
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love it or leave it |
frylock |
Dec-08-09 06:42 PM |
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It had that ring to it, didn't it? |
David Zephyr |
Dec-09-09 06:01 PM |
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Lester Maddox was a Dem before LBJ's big realignment that lost the south. |
amandabeech |
Dec-08-09 09:46 PM |
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You do realize that those people were right, . |
Ken Burch |
Dec-08-09 06:56 PM |
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Did you support the Democrats inside or outside the '68 Convention in Chicago? |
David Zephyr |
Dec-09-09 05:58 PM |
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That "great rub" you're so proud of created a backlash that gave us Nixon & Reagan twice - and by |
apocalypsehow |
Dec-10-09 09:18 PM |
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It's not QUITE that simple |
Ken Burch |
Dec-10-09 11:06 PM |
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Another thoughtful, measured, intelligent reply. One I agree with in part, especially regarding the |
apocalypsehow |
Dec-11-09 02:33 PM |
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Er...you're welcome. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-11-09 05:07 PM |
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LOL. I'm proud to be what you disdain as "your kind". |
David Zephyr |
Dec-11-09 01:03 PM |
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Three sentences, every one of them non-responsive and/or *ad hominem*. About what I expected. |
apocalypsehow |
Dec-11-09 02:29 PM |
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Yeah, Democratic defeat in 68 had NOTHING to do with HHH's own baggage |
freddie mertz |
Dec-11-09 04:58 PM |
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So, you thought the Vietnam war was just peachy then? |
freddie mertz |
Dec-11-09 04:55 PM |
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I think the anti-war movement, sometimes extreme, influenced the election |
demosincebirth |
Dec-08-09 06:02 PM |
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Johnson in 1965 did a terrific job. |
present and past |
Dec-08-09 06:11 PM |
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I agree that, on civil rights, LBJ was the Second Lincoln |
Ken Burch |
Dec-08-09 06:14 PM |
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Once again, the internet would have exposed LBJ and JFK's many affairs |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-08-09 06:14 PM |
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At least Johnson's womanizing wasn't foolish and dangerous like Kennedy's. |
present and past |
Dec-08-09 08:38 PM |
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LBJ didn't have a CBO. |
Clio the Leo |
Dec-08-09 06:25 PM |
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Ok, he didn't |
Ken Burch |
Dec-08-09 06:36 PM |
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But he also had Republicans who were willing to work with him. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Dec-09-09 05:16 AM |
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We marched against his war policy and praised him for his social achievments |
eleny |
Dec-08-09 06:39 PM |
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He would have been priased and criticized |
andym |
Dec-08-09 06:53 PM |
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A minority would have opposed Johnson's war escalation and by 1968 that would have become a majority |
Better Believe It |
Dec-08-09 06:54 PM |
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I lived thru it. God, did we hate LBJ for escalating that war. And then Nixon. |
CTyankee |
Dec-11-09 05:12 PM |
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If DU existed in 1941, how would it have treated FDR |
question everything |
Dec-08-09 06:58 PM |
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There would be plenty here who would have wanted to go against Nazi Germany |
amandabeech |
Dec-08-09 09:50 PM |
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I think we would have been split |
MiniMe |
Dec-08-09 07:10 PM |
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There would of been a server failure when he lifted his dog by his ears. |
neshanic still |
Dec-08-09 09:06 PM |
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Many, maybe most, would have been trying to drive him from office |
onenote |
Dec-08-09 09:31 PM |
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At least the drafted ones would be. |
neshanic still |
Dec-08-09 09:33 PM |
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LBJ would have shown up at Skinner's door and broke his legs, end of DU. |
CK_John |
Dec-08-09 09:38 PM |
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LOL!!! I would have paid good money to see it on Uncle Walter, too. n/t |
amandabeech |
Dec-08-09 09:55 PM |
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Like shit. |
apocalypsehow |
Dec-08-09 09:42 PM |
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and he put wiretaps on MLK |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-08-09 10:13 PM |
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Who, JFK through his brother Bobby in the latters role as Attorney General? Quite right. n/t. |
apocalypsehow |
Dec-09-09 06:22 PM |
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They were probably acting, at least in part, out of fear of J. Edgar Hoover |
Ken Burch |
Dec-09-09 10:19 PM |
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So, your assessment is that they were either (a) weak leaders, yanked around on Hoover's chain, or |
apocalypsehow |
Dec-10-09 08:47 PM |
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Of course they were shamelessly self-interested |
Ken Burch |
Dec-10-09 09:28 PM |
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But that would apply to LBJ, too, and he still managed to get more done. Remember this LBJism?: |
apocalypsehow |
Dec-10-09 09:42 PM |
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And LBJ never stopped Hoover from persecuting civil rights activists |
Ken Burch |
Dec-10-09 09:50 PM |
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Well, on this - the contents of your post here - we're pretty much agreed. n/t. |
apocalypsehow |
Dec-10-09 10:17 PM |
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But if it was LBJ you were referring to, so what? MLK was a controversial figure in 1965, no matter |
apocalypsehow |
Dec-09-09 06:24 PM |
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are you saying if we were around then, we should have all stood up and saluted? |
yurbud |
Dec-09-09 02:47 AM |
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No, I wasn't saying that. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-09-09 12:42 PM |
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ok |
yurbud |
Dec-09-09 12:50 PM |
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LBJ was a servant to the corporatist olgarchy! |
boppers |
Dec-09-09 03:19 AM |
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For A Rough Account, Sir, Of The 'DU' Attitude Towards President Johnson.... |
The Magistrate |
Dec-09-09 04:17 AM |
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Considering how many progressives have decried "spending your way out of a recession" today, |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Dec-09-09 05:06 AM |
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FDR wasn't giving the money to other rich people. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-09-09 04:59 PM |
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If DU existed in 1965, would LBJ even BE president? |
marshall |
Dec-09-09 12:56 PM |
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Good question. Unanswerable, but good. |
Ken Burch |
Dec-09-09 10:16 PM |
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Have we ever uncovered and prevented a conspiracy? |
Occam Bandage |
Dec-10-09 05:20 PM |
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Yes. The Civil Rights Bill would not have been good enough |
treestar |
Dec-09-09 06:20 PM |
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I think many of us would have treated him honestly. |
asdjrocky |
Dec-09-09 06:31 PM |
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You mean Saint Lyndon? nt |
Bonobo |
Dec-09-09 10:33 PM |
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DU would have backed Bobby Kennedy for president |
Garam_Masala |
Dec-11-09 02:05 AM |
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Hate. He was from Texas. He would not have been picked as VP |
old mark |
Dec-11-09 06:55 AM |
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I am not sure. But I was born in 75 so the only thing I remember about Vietnam is how my Dad did not |
Jennicut |
Dec-11-09 04:18 PM |
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