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Sun Sep-19-10 02:16 PM
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Edited on Sun Sep-19-10 02:24 PM by ruggerson
the vote in the House may not have happened and the legislation would have been pushed back to 2013, or doomed if the Republicans take controlf of one house of congress. From post 38: Congress has had to force Obama's hand a few times. In April, when Gates sent a public letter to Congress, demanding no vote this year, Obama was privately acquiescing to Sec'y Gate's timetable, which would have doomed any vote until at least 2013 and if Repubs take over one house, could have killed it. "In another statement, Alex Nicholson, executive director of Servicemembers United, called Gates’ letter “a significant cause for concern” for those supporting gay service members and said points in Gates’ letter are “patently offensive and false.” “If the White House and the Department of Defense had been more engaged with us and had communicated with us better about the alternatives available, Secretary Gates would surely not feel that legislative action this year would disrespect the opinions of the troops or negatively impact them and their families,” Nicholson said. In a statement responding to the letter, Shin Inouye, a White House spokesperson, said President Obama’s commitment to repealing the ban on service “is unequivocal,” but suggested the White House is on board with holding off on ending the law. “That’s why we’ve said that the implementation of any congressional repeal will be delayed until the DOD study of how best to implement that repeal is completed,” he said. In a statement, Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, repudiated the White House statement and said Obama “appears to have reversed himself” from his State of the Union announcement on planning to work for repeal this year. “We have the votes in the House and we’re close to having the votes in the Senate Armed Services Committee — the president, however is not helping us to get the votes we need,” he said. http://www.washingtonblade.com/2010/04/30/gates-letter-... / Pro-repeal members of Congress (and LGBT bloggers and advocates) went ballistic after receiving the letter from Gates asking them not to act. They went to the WH and forced their hand and the compromise that was reached was that a vote would be taken this year with the proviso that it would only take effect after this survey and when the Defense Dept agreed that it was ready. I give Obama points for being in favor of repeal. I give him kudos for ultimately agreeing to this compromise which saved the current legislation. I don't give him points for being a very effective or consistently strong advocate for actually getting it done. The LGBT grassroots and bloggers who have unrelentingly kept the pressure on the President have been a vital ingredient in ensuring that this process has gotten as far as it has.
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| -We have a fierce advocate. It's Lady Gaga, not Barack Obama (AmericaBlog) |
jefferson_dem |
Sep-19-10 07:24 AM |
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Maybe Lady Gaga should run in 2012 |
impik |
Sep-19-10 07:50 AM |
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Sure she could and then face being thrown under the bus when nothing she pushes passes. |
vaberella |
Sep-19-10 08:09 AM |
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Hey, even Elizabeth Warren is a sell out now |
impik |
Sep-19-10 11:17 AM |
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So DU has said to me. |
vaberella |
Sep-19-10 12:07 PM |
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You don't get throw under for that. You get thrown under for not trying. (nt) |
Bugenhagen |
Sep-19-10 07:52 PM |
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She is 24. |
Jennicut |
Sep-19-10 08:48 AM |
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I agree, this is a who cares sort of thing |
treestar |
Sep-19-10 10:08 AM |
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maybe you should tell that to Sen Bennett |
dsc |
Sep-19-10 10:11 AM |
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they could do that without her help |
treestar |
Sep-19-10 10:32 AM |
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Who cares what she thinks? |
Laughing Mirror |
Sep-19-10 11:33 AM |
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+1 |
ruggerson |
Sep-19-10 11:42 AM |
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I am no fan of the celebrity culture |
dsc |
Sep-19-10 11:34 AM |
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She wouldn't win. Wall Street wouldn't give Lady Gaga money as it gave Obama and McCain |
Mefistofeles |
Sep-19-10 12:10 PM |
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My admiration for this young woman has grown immeasurably as of late |
Cirque du So-What |
Sep-19-10 07:51 AM |
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This issue has 70% support |
dsc |
Sep-19-10 08:46 AM |
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I am impressed with this young woman & and feel let down by Obama |
Lost4words |
Sep-19-10 07:56 AM |
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Agreed. |
jefferson_dem |
Sep-19-10 08:03 AM |
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Obamas greatest legacy will be getting elected as the first mixed race |
Lost4words |
Sep-20-10 08:12 AM |
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Artists carry the news, politicians carry the water. |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-19-10 08:00 AM |
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True. |
jefferson_dem |
Sep-19-10 08:09 AM |
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Agreed. |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-19-10 10:04 AM |
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To quote "The Artist" in my avatar... |
jefferson_dem |
Sep-19-10 10:10 AM |
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GAGA/Hilary-2012 |
boomerbust |
Sep-19-10 08:26 AM |
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GaGa//Bubba/Hillary 2012. |
jefferson_dem |
Sep-19-10 08:58 AM |
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It's a sad day when even Hannah Montana is more progressive than the President. |
rug |
Sep-19-10 08:52 AM |
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It's a sad day when so called "progressives" are not very bright. |
impik |
Sep-19-10 10:18 AM |
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Yeah, what kind of progressive is stupid enough to oppose gay marriage? |
rug |
Sep-19-10 12:02 PM |
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A straight Progressive? |
boomerbust |
Sep-19-10 02:50 PM |
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So what has she accomplished for us? Words are easy if you are not in a position to do anything |
stray cat |
Sep-19-10 09:08 AM |
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She said a bunch of words..... |
whistler162 |
Sep-19-10 09:17 AM |
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If there is any lobbying going on, it's very well hidden |
ruggerson |
Sep-19-10 10:54 AM |
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She is using what she has ... |
jefferson_dem |
Sep-19-10 09:17 AM |
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I am sure we will hear every excuse under the sun, moon, and stars for this state of affairs |
dsc |
Sep-19-10 09:14 AM |
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Who's making excuses? |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Sep-19-10 09:39 AM |
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Reid isn't Obama |
dsc |
Sep-19-10 09:41 AM |
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The OP seems to assume (as do many other people) |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Sep-19-10 11:00 AM |
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But that's not quite how it has gone down |
ruggerson |
Sep-19-10 11:19 AM |
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So |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Sep-19-10 12:03 PM |
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Yes, and I've given him kudos in the past for just that |
ruggerson |
Sep-19-10 01:17 PM |
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Maybe it is HOW things are being said sometimes |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Sep-19-10 02:20 PM |
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Well there's truth to that |
ruggerson |
Sep-19-10 02:33 PM |
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No that isn't what I, or the article says |
dsc |
Sep-19-10 11:28 AM |
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"Obama's Lobbyists" |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Sep-19-10 11:56 AM |
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yes the white house employees people to lobby on its behalf |
dsc |
Sep-19-10 12:00 PM |
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No, I don't think it's sinister or anything |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Sep-19-10 12:04 PM |
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I still don't want to "Meat" her N/T |
sellitman |
Sep-19-10 09:26 AM |
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Kick ... Lady Gaga for taking a stand.. |
Top Cat |
Sep-19-10 10:08 AM |
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I repeat. The President's job is to get stuff done. Not entertain you. |
phleshdef |
Sep-19-10 10:26 AM |
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Amen. |
vaberella |
Sep-19-10 11:05 AM |
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Thank You. Is the president supposed to tweet us about his talks with Congress? |
Tarheel_Dem |
Sep-19-10 11:34 AM |
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"they"? |
ruggerson |
Sep-19-10 11:48 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-19-10 12:43 PM |
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Look in this thread and other similar ones |
ruggerson |
Sep-19-10 01:25 PM |
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The "hostility" you speak of has ZERO to do with the sexual orientation of "they". |
phleshdef |
Sep-19-10 01:51 PM |
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If it weren't for the people who the poster attacks |
ruggerson |
Sep-19-10 02:16 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Sep-19-10 04:29 PM |
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Yeah, that is who "they" are |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 04:29 PM |
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Yeah, those whiny homos |
terrya |
Sep-19-10 12:36 PM |
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As I said to the other poster. You aren't fooling anyone. You don't think thats what "they" meant. |
phleshdef |
Sep-19-10 12:45 PM |
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That is who was meant by "They" |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 04:30 PM |
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"They" -- oh brother |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 04:28 PM |
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There was a mask? n/t |
QC |
Sep-19-10 08:49 PM |
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Gaga's advocacy has nothing to do with getting legislation overturned in Congress? |
Laughing Mirror |
Sep-19-10 11:59 AM |
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No. This overturning has been in motion for a long time. |
phleshdef |
Sep-19-10 12:38 PM |
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Lady Gaga's senators are Schumer and Gillibrand, senators from New York |
Laughing Mirror |
Sep-19-10 02:04 PM |
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Hollywood = celebrity. |
vaberella |
Sep-20-10 02:13 AM |
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With no help from the likes of you |
Laughing Mirror |
Sep-20-10 06:58 AM |
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You don't know me or my past posts...so I suggest you keep your assupmtions to yourself. |
vaberella |
Sep-20-10 09:39 AM |
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Do you really think you should be accusing people of getting star struck over celebs? |
QC |
Sep-20-10 08:42 AM |
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Basically...I don't like celebrities. Unless Pelosi and Obama count as celebrities. |
vaberella |
Sep-20-10 09:42 AM |
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You're incorrectly glorifying crap. |
vaberella |
Sep-20-10 02:11 AM |
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Lady Gaga is using her extraordinary fame to get people to pressure their Senators on DADT |
Laughing Mirror |
Sep-20-10 06:56 AM |
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I don't want entertained |
dsc |
Sep-19-10 12:01 PM |
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This whitehouse has been working on the repeal since the beginning. |
phleshdef |
Sep-19-10 12:42 PM |
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No it hasn't, and it still isn't |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 04:31 PM |
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kick |
ensho |
Sep-19-10 10:27 AM |
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JD: Interesting that when you post somethingi like this, it's a relatively calm thread |
ruggerson |
Sep-19-10 10:46 AM |
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OK, I take that back |
ruggerson |
Sep-19-10 01:30 PM |
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I've noticed that too, and it is disrespectful to the OP |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 04:32 PM |
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I agree; the OP has been a longtime, consistent supporter of LGBT equality |
ruggerson |
Sep-19-10 07:27 PM |
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Wow. Very impressed that she's doing this. Thanks for the info! nt. |
Parker CA |
Sep-19-10 10:53 AM |
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Sad that this thread can't get more recs. |
bullwinkle428 |
Sep-19-10 10:56 AM |
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Celebrities aren't policy makers. |
vaberella |
Sep-19-10 11:08 AM |
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there isi a generation of young voters that listen to her |
ruggerson |
Sep-19-10 11:40 AM |
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Which is ridiculously heartbreaking in and of itself. |
vaberella |
Sep-19-10 12:11 PM |
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Lady Gaga invites you to call your Senator to repeal DADT |
Laughing Mirror |
Sep-19-10 12:05 PM |
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Luckily I live in a State where my Senators are on board and were on board before she was popular. |
vaberella |
Sep-19-10 12:16 PM |
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You have the same senators as Lady Gaga |
Laughing Mirror |
Sep-19-10 02:02 PM |
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And I'm not getting this praise. |
vaberella |
Sep-19-10 02:16 PM |
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Because she has a great voice that inspire many many people to take action |
Laughing Mirror |
Sep-19-10 02:34 PM |
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Wow l didn't know lady gaga had put the actual thing |
Kdillard |
Sep-19-10 11:02 AM |
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+1000. Call me when Lady Gaga is elected to Congress. People are |
Tarheel_Dem |
Sep-19-10 12:09 PM |
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It's more about hate for President Obama than |
Cha |
Sep-19-10 12:58 PM |
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what i find interesting tho |
Bodhi BloodWave |
Sep-19-10 01:11 PM |
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Of course, it's all about pretzel |
Cha |
Sep-19-10 02:37 PM |
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+Infinity. n/t |
vaberella |
Sep-20-10 02:15 AM |
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That appears to be the case. |
terrya |
Sep-19-10 11:51 AM |
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Ok This May Not be a Popular Opinion But Here Goes |
PopSixSquish |
Sep-19-10 11:59 AM |
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GAGA for president 2012 |
golfguru |
Sep-19-10 12:09 PM |
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Hey, I love her but that's just ... |
jefferson_dem |
Sep-19-10 12:30 PM |
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She's not even quite old enough to run for the House! |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 04:35 PM |
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Aravosis' cognitive dissonance is pathological. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-19-10 12:31 PM |
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so which is it? |
dsc |
Sep-19-10 01:21 PM |
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It's what I just said: Aravosis' cognitive dissonance is pathological. |
ClarkUSA |
Sep-19-10 01:48 PM |
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+ Infinity. |
vaberella |
Sep-20-10 02:18 AM |
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Are you seriously trying to suggest that the nearly 80% of the public |
bullwinkle428 |
Sep-20-10 08:49 AM |
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She's being smart by targeting the Senate |
Radical Activist |
Sep-19-10 12:51 PM |
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As have we all |
ibegurpard |
Sep-19-10 01:31 PM |
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We who? |
Radical Activist |
Sep-19-10 01:36 PM |
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True enough. But there are posters like ccharles000 on DU who don't get this much praise. |
vaberella |
Sep-19-10 02:24 PM |
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Agreed |
young but wise |
Sep-19-10 04:25 PM |
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Lady gaga is working with President Obama and I commend |
Cha |
Sep-19-10 01:02 PM |
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I suspect that Obama and Lady GaGa both understand this. |
Radical Activist |
Sep-19-10 11:31 PM |
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Lady Gaga- An overrated fad. |
Colobo |
Sep-19-10 01:52 PM |
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+Infinity. n/t |
vaberella |
Sep-19-10 02:17 PM |
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Well she's no Donnie McClurkin, that's for sure! |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-19-10 07:35 PM |
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Well, young people who are into music and people are more into politics may view her differently |
Mefistofeles |
Sep-19-10 02:19 PM |
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Record sales is not a synonymous with skill. |
vaberella |
Sep-19-10 02:25 PM |
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And mass popular appeal is not necessarily incompatible with artistic quality. |
jefferson_dem |
Sep-19-10 02:43 PM |
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She actually has a very good voice, unlike Britney and Kesha. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-19-10 07:20 PM |
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Just because something is popular doesn't mean it sucks. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-19-10 07:28 PM |
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Agreed. She won't be mentioned in any history books. |
proteus_lives |
Sep-19-10 02:20 PM |
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Like that actor, what's his name? Ronald Reagan |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 04:37 PM |
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This Madonna clone ain't RR. |
proteus_lives |
Sep-19-10 11:58 PM |
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Madonna couldn't sing. |
boppers |
Sep-20-10 12:56 AM |
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Elvis and the Beatles were considered fads at one point too |
dsc |
Sep-19-10 03:14 PM |
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Because....she's getting people involved in an issue? |
terrya |
Sep-19-10 04:12 PM |
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She is getting blasted for doing something positive |
Mefistofeles |
Sep-19-10 07:59 PM |
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She is getting blasted for doing something positive **for LGBT people.** |
QC |
Sep-20-10 12:06 AM |
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She's not my thing, but she is very talented |
LostinVA |
Sep-19-10 04:36 PM |
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-1,000,000 |
Odin2005 |
Sep-19-10 07:17 PM |
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Gaga 2012: Ready On Day One -- To Look Fabulous! |
smalll |
Sep-19-10 04:59 PM |
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Thanks, now that soing is stuck in my head! |
Odin2005 |
Sep-19-10 07:21 PM |
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The vast majority of us Millenials support Same-Sex Marriage. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-19-10 07:10 PM |
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I want Gaga to DEMAND a meeting with the President!!!! |
Clio the Leo |
Sep-19-10 08:33 PM |
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She's Madonna with an actual voice |
ruggerson |
Sep-19-10 09:24 PM |
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yep! ... |
Clio the Leo |
Sep-20-10 01:50 AM |
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Please tell me this is sarcasm. I'm dying here. n/t |
vaberella |
Sep-20-10 02:23 AM |
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I'm being silly, but I'm dead serious... |
Clio the Leo |
Sep-20-10 10:10 AM |
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Tweety ..ahaha.. |
vaberella |
Sep-20-10 10:43 AM |
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I love over the top people.... |
Clio the Leo |
Sep-20-10 01:28 PM |
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Her grandmother Madonna must be proud. |
rocktivity |
Sep-19-10 10:14 PM |
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ouch |
AtomicKitten |
Sep-20-10 12:35 PM |
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Huge Gaga fan, and she is right here. n/t |
stevenleser |
Sep-19-10 11:05 PM |
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It's only a coincidence that her next single to drop is partially about GLBTQ rights. |
boppers |
Sep-20-10 01:17 AM |
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Gaga has some fun songs and is talented, but it's all about marketing with her. |
Dawgs |
Sep-20-10 07:39 AM |
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Hold on there, big fella |
SoxFan |
Sep-20-10 10:12 AM |
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KnR for Lady Gaga |
Uzybone |
Sep-20-10 01:10 PM |
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